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34 minutes ago, Setton said:

Actually we do. We have intelligence services for exactly that. Thanks to them, we know who was targeted, who carried out the attack, how they did it and where they disposed of the evidence. 

The only thing we don't know is exactly who ordered the attack - Putin himself or someone in the GRU without his authorisation. 

 

Right you are, what was I thinking. Thanks for clearing that up mr Setton.
 

 

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50 minutes ago, Phaeton80 said:

 

Right you are, what was I thinking. Thanks for clearing that up mr Setton.
 

 

Well that's American intelligence for you (quite the contradiction)... 

Ours aren't perfect and they have made mistakes but they don't, can't, just outright lie to ministers. And they learn from their mistakes. 

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1 hour ago, Setton said:

Well that's American intelligence for you (quite the contradiction)... 

Ours aren't perfect and they have made mistakes but they don't, can't, just outright lie to ministers. And they learn from their mistakes. 


Oh please, sir, please.

I hope you'll forgive me for coloring that a wee bit naive.

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The two Russian guys flew in to London caught the train to salisbury it had started to snow so they went back back to London Russians don't like snow, and traveled back to Salisbury, then next day then flew home to Moscow (their words) just two clock loving guys what's not to believe?

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28 minutes ago, Phaeton80 said:


Oh please, sir, please.

I hope you'll forgive me for coloring that a wee bit naive.

I hope you'll forgive me for colouring that a wee bit ignorant. 

You do know they have oversight committees don't you? 

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19 hours ago, hetrodoxly said:

The two Russian guys flew in to London caught the train to salisbury it had started to snow so they went back back to London Russians don't like snow, and traveled back to Salisbury, then next day then flew home to Moscow (their words) just two clock loving guys what's not to believe?

 

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Well then sir, case closed! Compelling evidence about the perpetrators (or, notsomuch), that they in fact were part of the GRU or any other government agency (or, notsomuch), and under direct orders from that Evil Monster Vladimir Putin (or, notsomuch) if I ever did see some.

Give - me - a - break.

You know whats the kicker in all this? The fact all you people jumping to these conclusions based on 'evidence' which would be laughed out of any court of law would most probably be absolutely enraged if such tactics were employed against their own nation.. Id bet my left nut on that one.


Btw, heres what we all tend to regard as a 'Banana Republic' Bolivia had to say about the incident..
Bolivia's Security Council representative said that "an independent, transparent, objective, impartial and apolitical investigation in line with prevailing international rules, especially those set out in the OPCW" is necessary.

"With respect to the March events, it is absolutely essential for the parties involved to use the corresponding diplomatic channels to fulfill the principles of mutual respect and bilateral cooperation that will enable dialogue leading to a resolution of this problem," the envoy added. 

..Those backward primitive simpletons, dont they know we see through their shrewd anti Western games, trying to 'defend Russia'?

Ugh.

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19 hours ago, Setton said:

I hope you'll forgive me for colouring that a wee bit ignorant. 

You do know they have oversight committees don't you? 


Oh right, my bad, forgot about that one..

Thats allright then.

..I feel a bit thick now, me and my ever present unwavering ignorance..

Doh!

 

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1 hour ago, Phaeton80 said:

 

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Well then sir, case closed! Compelling evidence about the perpetrators (or, notsomuch), that they in fact were part of the GRU or any other government agency (or, notsomuch), and under direct orders from that Evil Monster Vladimir Putin (or, notsomuch) if I ever did see some.

Give - me - a - break.

You know whats the kicker in all this? The fact all you people jumping to these conclusions based on 'evidence' which would be laughed out of any court of law would most probably be absolutely enraged if such tactics were employed against their own nation.. Id bet my left nut on that one.


Btw, heres what we all tend to regard as a 'Banana Republic' Bolivia had to say about the incident..
Bolivia's Security Council representative said that "an independent, transparent, objective, impartial and apolitical investigation in line with prevailing international rules, especially those set out in the OPCW" is necessary.

"With respect to the March events, it is absolutely essential for the parties involved to use the corresponding diplomatic channels to fulfill the principles of mutual respect and bilateral cooperation that will enable dialogue leading to a resolution of this problem," the envoy added. 

..Those backward primitive simpletons, dont they know we see through their shrewd anti Western games, trying to 'defend Russia'?

Ugh.

Right, just two clock loving guys.

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1 hour ago, Phaeton80 said:


Oh right, my bad, forgot about that one..

Thats allright then.

..I feel a bit thick now, me and my ever present unwavering ignorance..

Doh!

 

'men said they may have approached Sergei Skripal’s house by accident' of course they did.

'Petrov said that they turned back because it was cold' they wanted to get back to the warmth of Moscow.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/sep/13/russian-television-channel-rt-says-it-is-to-air-interview-with-skripal-salisbury-attack-suspects

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The b*stards!

 

PS. Just look at those shrewd professional GRU killers working the 'ignorant nervous fool' method, probly why they failed to kill an unsuspecting civilian with a nerve agent 5 to 10 times more potent than the VX variant, travelled together, and got recorded on CCTV together.

Lucky for us theyre so bad at what they do.

Yay!

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On 1/21/2019 at 11:06 AM, RAyMO said:

Its undeniable that western powers and corporations use propaganda and half truths and outright lies. Its also true that Eastern powers and corporations do the exact same thing.

Equally I would suggest that the majority are more likely to believe their own guys story and not to objectively question it.

The whole Ukraine episode would probably make a good case study for investigating the phenomenon

So what can we do? Nothing more than question, evaluate and decide irrespective of the source of information - what is likely to be truth to any matter. A healthy disregard for authority would come in handy in these circumstances.

 

well said....

it's so easy to slip into 'tribal' loyalties, that involve turning a blind eye to some things and highlighting others -
it must come from some deep psychological need to belong and to survive... ie a group has a better chance
of surviving than an individual alone.... the fear of ostracism is also connected to the 'animal' survival instinct...
because if the Group or Tribe kicks you out you're chances of survival dramatically drop...

I heard a programme on the radio a while back discussing 'ostracism' and what a powerful thing it was...
even On Line and even where people are anonymous .... 

I try to do my own analysis and I think you do too... and we reach different conclusions ie Brexit and Trump.. :) 

Just like I agree with @Phaeton80 on a lot to do with the Anti Russia propaganda but disagree with him 
when it comes to a lot to do with Trump....

The main thing is that we remain as civilized and possible... :D... even when our buttons are pressed....

 

 

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On 1/19/2019 at 11:39 AM, Phaeton80 said:

Inside the Temple of Covert Propaganda: The Integrity Initiative & the UK's Scandalous Information War

Recent hacked documents have revealed an international network of politicians, journalists, academics, researchers and military officers, all engaged in highly deceptive covert propaganda campaigns funded by the British Foreign and Commonwealth Office (FCO), NATO, Facebook and hardline national security institutions. 

This “network of networks”, as one document refers to them, centers around an ironically named outfit called the Integrity Initiative. And it is all overseen by a previously unknown England-based think tank registered in Scotland, the Institute for Statecraft, which has operated under a veil of secrecy.
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I stumbled on this video (Russian with English sub titles) and one of the comments underneath kind of
summed it up...

"British Intelligent Love to conduct very complicated , " Bizarre " operations , as their James bond movies or Books ."

(end quote)

The Skripal case surely would fit into that category... 
 

 

 

and now there is talk of a Skripal connection to the infamous Steele dossier - used to obtain
a FISA warrant in the US - that forms a big part of the Plot to create the Trump / Russia collusion thing...
:wacko:

This came up the other day in the US Politics thread - 'Russia Probes Kick into High Gear' (page 494)

with the introduction of this link...

Skripal Case Just got Weirder

sorry if that has come up before on this thread... I have noticed your thread but not followed it closely..

A potential connection with Skripal and the Steele Dossier and the plot to bring down Trump is
dynamite to say the least... 

on top of everything else

 
 

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Didnt even know about that supposed 'Anonymous hack'.. Not really sure what to think of it yet tbh.

Interesting stuff in there though.

Richard Barrons

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An interesting piece about the multilateral, 'independent' Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW).. enforcing the chemical weapons convention. We all believe in their professionalism, independancy, right?

Here come those slabs of words again, known as articles, which paint a 'conpiratorial view of reality'. Tin foil hats on..

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On Sunday, the US government will launch an international coup. It has been planned for a month. It will be executed quietly, and most of us won't know what is happening until it's too late. It is seeking to overthrow 60 years of multilateralism in favour of a global regime built on force.

The coup begins with its attempt, in five days' time, to unseat the man in charge of ridding the world of chemical weapons. If it succeeds, this will be the first time that the head of a multilateral agency will have been deposed in this manner. Every other international body will then become vulnerable to attack. The coup will also shut down the peaceful options for dealing with the chemical weapons Iraq may possess, helping to ensure that war then becomes the only means of destroying them.

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Bustani has suggested that if the security council were to support the OPCW's bid to persuade Iraq to sign, this would provide the US with an alternative to war. It is hard to see why Saddam Hussein would accept weapons inspectors from Unmovic - the organisation backed by the security council - after its predecessor, Unscom, was found to be stuffed with spies planted by the US government. It is much easier to see why he might accept inspectors from an organisation which has remained scrupulously even-handed. Indeed, when Unscom was thrown out of Iraq in 1998, the OPCW was allowed in to complete the destruction of the weapons it had found. Bustani has to go because he has proposed the solution to a problem the US does not want solved.

"What the Americans are doing," Bustani says, "is a coup d'etat. They are using brute force to amend the convention and unseat the director-general." As the chemical weapons convention has no provisions permitting these measures, the US is simply ripping up the rules. If it wins, then the OPCW, like Unscom, will be fatally compromised. Success for the United States on Sunday would threaten the independence of every multilateral body.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/apr/16/iraq.comment


Obviously, Bustani here is an 'America hater', 'Saddam apologist' and all that, seeding 'fake news' about the US's Samaritan dealings on the geo political chessboard.

For those that are not put off by reading more than the usual soundbite, like so many of the readers here (though this will undoubtedly fall on deaf ears, eyes wide shut);

https://timhayward.wordpress.com/2018/04/11/how-we-were-misled-about-syria-george-monbiot-of-the-guardian/

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10 hours ago, Phaeton80 said:

An interesting piece about the multilateral, 'independent' Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW).. enforcing the chemical weapons convention. We all believe in their professionalism, independancy, right?

Here come those slabs of words again, known as articles, which paint a 'conpiratorial view of reality'. Tin foil hats on..


Obviously, Bustani here is an 'America hater', 'Saddam apologist' and all that, seeding 'fake news' about the US's Samaritan dealings on the geo political chessboard.

For those that are not put off by reading more than the usual soundbite, like so many of the readers here (though this will undoubtedly fall on deaf ears, eyes wide shut);

https://timhayward.wordpress.com/2018/04/11/how-we-were-misled-about-syria-george-monbiot-of-the-guardian/

You do realise that article is 17 years old..? 

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Yeah.. forgot everything older than three months doesnt sparkle with you people, you know.. preferring to regard everything in a vacuum and what not.

Maybe youll like this one a bit better, mr Setton.. late 2017..  In a time and galaxy far far away.. [article linked in Tim Hayward's piece:]

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Back in 2007, the IAEA, an agency of scientists, did its bit to assist – or at least not obstruct – US efforts to foster a political case, an entirely unjustified one, for military action against Syria and, very possibly by extension, Iran.

If the IAEA could so abandon its remit and the cause of science to help play politics on behalf of the US, what leads Monbiot to assume that the OPCW, an even more politicised body, is doing any better today?

That is not to say Assad, or at least sections of the Syrian government, could not have carried out the attack on Khan Sheikhoun. But it is to argue that in a matter like this one, where so much is at stake, the evidence must be subjected to rigorous scrutiny, and that critics, especially experts who offer counter-evidence, must be given a fair hearing by the left. It is to argue that, when the case against Assad fits so neatly a long-standing and self-serving western narrative, a default position of scepticism is fully justified. It is to argue that facts, strong as they may seem, can be manipulated even by expert bodies, and therefore due weight needs also to be given to context – including an assessment of motives.

https://off-guardian.org/2017/11/24/syria-experts-and-george-monbiot/   


Oh and please dont forget the tinfoil hat when reading this, for godsake man.. just.. put - it - on.. Lest you become one of 'them'. :o

 

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34 minutes ago, Phaeton80 said:

Yeah.. forgot everything older than three months doesnt sparkle with you people, you know.. preferring to regard everything in a vacuum and what not.

Maybe youll like this one a bit better, mr Setton.. late 2017..  In a time and galaxy far far away.. [article linked in Tim Hayward's piece:]


Oh and please dont forget the tinfoil hat when reading this, for godsake man.. just.. put - it - on.. Lest you become one of 'them'. :o

 

I'm sorry Phaeton but you and all these people you quote articles from just haven't a clue about the reality of the situation. 

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Oh man, youre a hoot.

If you had bothered to read any of them, you'd know theire all pretty much completely based on verifiable facts, richly cited content.

Please, be sure to let me know if you actually have something to say about the actual content, instead of lazily dropping ridiculously dim disqualifiers left & right.

 

 

 

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16 minutes ago, Phaeton80 said:

Oh man, youre a hoot.

Glad you're enjoying it. 

You still don't have a clue. 

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Back on OP topic;

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Briefing note on the Integrity Initiative

Paul McKeigue, David Miller, Jake Mason, Piers Robinson

Working Group on Syria Propaganda and Media

Summary

  • The Integrity Initiative now accounts for most of the budget of a Scottish-registered charity named the Institute for Statecraft founded by Daniel Lafayeedney and Chris Donnelly in 2006. Most of the overt funding for this programme — about £2.6 million / year — comes from the Conflict Security and Stability Fund’s Russian Language Programme, now merged with a secret Counter Disinformation and Media Programme. Office space in central London and most of the staff salaries, appear to be provided as a covert benefit in kind.

  • A close examination of past and present posts held by individuals associated with the Integrity Initiative indicates that specialists in military intelligence and other senior military personnel with responsibility for StratCom (strategic communication) operations are closely involved in the programme.

  • The activities of the Integrity Initiative include:

    • setting up covert networks ("clusters") of journalists, academics and military/foreign service StratCom practitioners in each country including the UK: "The programme has begun to create a critical mass of individuals from across society (think tanks, academia, politics, the media, government and the military) whose work is proving to be mutually reinforcing."
    • covert manipulation of the public sphere, including campaigns to smear and suppress dissenters and block their appointment to public office. The "silencing of pro-Kremlin voices on Serbian TV" is listed as an "achievement".
    • overt attacks on British politicians, academics and other critics of UK government policies, most notably on the Leader of the Opposition and his staff.
    • in the Baltic states and Ukraine, working closely with organizations and governments that foment hatred of ethnic Russian minorities and encourage Holocaust revisionism.
    • promotion of a hate campaign against the Russian Orthodox Church in the Balkans.
  • These activities:

    • are not the charitable purposes set out in the Institute of Statecraft’s constitution, and are not charitable purposes in general.

    • violate the accepted principle that government funding may not be used for partisan political purposes.

    • indicate that the Government has misled the House of Commons Foreign Affairs Committee about the scope of the Russian Language Programme of the Conflict Security and Stability Fund.

    • indicate that military units specialized for information warfare are now participating in covert manipulation of political discourse at home, subverting parliamentary government.

    • have contributed to narrowing the range of public discourse so as to marginalize reality-based evaluation of policy options for relations with Russia and evidence-based assessment of events in which Russian involvement is alleged.

 

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On 1/21/2019 at 1:54 PM, Tatetopa said:

It is true.  We do it too.  That is not a reason or justification to do more of it in our government or  allow more of it out of a sense of fair play from others. Governments have always played such games and will continue to do so.

If you buy into America First, then I would think you would be opposed to any meddling by foreign powers in our elections. 

I'm simply being realistic.  It's pointless - and disingenuous - to be SHOCKED!  SHOCKED, I tell you, that such things happen.  The sad thing is that so many Americans today are naive or ignorant enough to believe the media montages.  

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Russia interfered in our 'democratic process' by way of 'tweets and posts' shrewdly seeded by that 'malicious St Petersburg 500 strong troll army'!! Pandemonium, travesty, war!

Now, lets get that Maduro out of there. 'Evil regime', 'we need to save the people from their dictator'.

:sleepy:


https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?17056-Yet-Another-USA-Coup-Attempt-Against-Venezuela-Underway-Now!&s=aac53bf994232b044ee9a3910e6bc2ad&p=125194#post125194

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please dude go visit Russia,  a city like Chelyabinsk, you'll love it there, lol.  or Novokuznetsk, you'll make the best memories.

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'21st Century United States of America, Defending Peace, Democracy & Stability throughout the World.'

 

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On 5-2-2019 at 1:50 AM, aztek said:

please dude go visit Russia,  a city like Chelyabinsk, you'll love it there, lol.  or Novokuznetsk, you'll make the best memories.


You drunk?

I sincerely hope you are, for your sake.

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