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Venezuelan Revolt on the Horizon?


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CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) — Venezuela plunged deeper into turmoil on Monday as security forces put down a pre-dawn uprising by national guardsmen that triggered violent street protests and the Supreme Court moved to undercut the opposition-controlled congress’ defiant new leadership.

Mutiny Quelled in Venezuela  Ominous clouds.

President Bolsonaro of Brazil has refused to recognise Maduro as president of Venezuela and instead has recognized Maduro's opposition leader, Juan Guaido, as president.  Further, Bolsonaro has openly said that his presidency will address the dictatorship in Venezuela, perhaps support a revolution.

Could Maduro's days be over?

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Let's just hope the revolution does not become a regime that is just as bad, as revolutions sometimes do. 

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53 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

Let's just hope the revolution does not become a regime that is just as bad, as revolutions sometimes do. 

Like Castro overthrowing Batista. Yup, from the frying pan into the fire

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Bye felicia! 

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13 hours ago, Aquila King said:

Yeeeeessss.... ummm.. there is a problem with that analysis, Aquila King. John Laurits compares Venezuala with Zimbabwe, explaining that Zimbabwe was a capitalist country, and that if we ascribe socialism as being doomed to failure, then the example of Zimbabwe shows that capitalism is also doomed to failure. His point was to suggest that the failure of Venezuala was NOT down to socialism, but that other factors must have played a part. 

It's an interesting theory, but it falls down on one thing. Robert Mugabe - the leader of Zimbabwe for several decades - was a socialist. He imposed socialist ideas on Zimbabwe's economy. The collapse was down to the government's interference with the economy, especially the huge amounts of money given to the "war veterans" ... e.g. supporters of Mugabe. So it was a mixture of socialism, corruption, and the dismantling of the White-owned farms. (again, a form of socialism) that triggered Zimbabwe's economic collapse. 

Accordingly, Lohn Laurits' analysis is flawed. Zimbabwe collapsed - at least in part - due to socialism. And so did Venezuela.  :) 

In regard the OP.. this looks VERY bad for El Presidente. Congress hate him. The public hate him. the newspapers and media hate him. And now elements of the Army hate him. 

And Donald Trump thinks HE has problems ? :P

 

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US faces key test as global support for Venezuela opposition leader grows

More Countries Do Not Recognize Maduro as Leader of Venezuela

"The Trump administration is facing a critical test of its hemispheric policy as global support grows for the leader of Venezuela's National Assembly, Juan Guaido, to be the face of opposition against strongman President Nicolas Maduro."

Trump has to decide here. Officially, the Trump admin does not recognise the Maduro presidency. But should they get stronger than that? Worldwide opinion of Maduro is very low

"We join the claim of the vast majority of the governments of the American hemisphere, acknowledging Juan Guaidó as the acting president of the Republic of Venezuela," said Puerto Rico Gov. Ricardo Rosselló (D) in a statement Friday, signed along with [former Caracas] Mayor Antonio Ledezma. "

There has been talk of an invasion by Brasil's Bolsonaro who hopes that the US would aid in that endeavor.

This is one US invasion that I would support wholeheartedly 

 

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19 hours ago, Aquila King said:

If you were a medical doctor, this is what would be known as a quack!  The math is basic but it does not represent the situation.  It throws truisms together and declares it fact and then you feel that you’ve made your point.  That is poor logic.  What caused the collapse in both Venezuela and Zimbabwe were poor decisions and management.  Capitalism is designed to evolve and learn from mistakes.  Socialism does not.  Socialism is bent on reengineering human nature to serve the state.  Through all of history this had been the standard.  It has been the “ones which we tried & failed at the most”.  And through all that time, we failed to learn much.  There had been pockets of enlightenment here and there.  Then came the Age of Enlightenment.  From the writings of the likes of Jefferson, Madison, Hamilton, Jay and others like Adam Smith and many more, we evolved to a higher form.  Being something new, it is filled with footfalls but we have the ability to overcome and adapt to new situations and improve (where Socialism never could).  Creativity is the key to innovation.  Capitalism encourages creativity.  Under Socialism, independent thought must be shutdown, controlled, and limited.  It must be replaced by the party line.

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8 hours ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

US faces key test as global support for Venezuela opposition leader grows

More Countries Do Not Recognize Maduro as Leader of Venezuela

"The Trump administration is facing a critical test of its hemispheric policy as global support grows for the leader of Venezuela's National Assembly, Juan Guaido, to be the face of opposition against strongman President Nicolas Maduro."

Trump has to decide here. Officially, the Trump admin does not recognise the Maduro presidency. But should they get stronger than that? Worldwide opinion of Maduro is very low

"We join the claim of the vast majority of the governments of the American hemisphere, acknowledging Juan Guaidó as the acting president of the Republic of Venezuela," said Puerto Rico Gov. Ricardo Rosselló (D) in a statement Friday, signed along with [former Caracas] Mayor Antonio Ledezma. "

There has been talk of an invasion by Brasil's Bolsonaro who hopes that the US would aid in that endeavor.

This is one US invasion that I would support wholeheartedly 

 

USAF bombardment of military installations  and USN  blockade along with Brazilian ground troops could work

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If I lived in Venezuela, I'd be wishing they hadn't taken my guns away.  

 

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Unrest Roils Venezuela in New Bid to Topple Maduro

CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) — Venezuela’s re-invigorated opposition faces a crucial test Wednesday as it seeks to fill streets nationwide with protesters in an appeal to the military and the poor to shift loyalties that until recently looked solidly behind President Nicolas Maduro’s socialist government.

 

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9 minutes ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

Unrest Roils Venezuela in New Bid to Topple Maduro

CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) — Venezuela’s re-invigorated opposition faces a crucial test Wednesday as it seeks to fill streets nationwide with protesters in an appeal to the military and the poor to shift loyalties that until recently looked solidly behind President Nicolas Maduro’s socialist government.

 

The struggle against Globalism is still alive.  What is going on in Venezuela is the fate of all Socialist governments.  Some take a while and others right away, but it does happen.  It manifests itself differently from country to country.  In England we saw Brexit, in the US, it was the election of Trump, France has the Yellowjackets.  Sweden has been stepping back from a pure Socialist nation for over a generation now.  How much farther will they go?  What anti-Socialist revolt will be tomorrow?  Socialists don’t understand that eventually, human nature rules.  The desire for Man to be free is just too strong.

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Before we all rush to support an insurrection to put Juan Guaidó on the throne, shouldn't we know a little bit about him first ?

 

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10 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

Before we all rush to support an insurrection to put Juan Guaidó on the throne, shouldn't we know a little bit about him first ?

 

We already do. He ain't Maduro  lol

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Finally!!  Trump Recognizes Guaido as Venezuela Leader

 

President Donald Trump recognized Juan Guaido as the interim president of Venezuela minutes after the opposition leader declared himself the head of state, in the U.S.’s most provocative move yet against the leftist regime of Nicolas Maduro.

Victory to the people!

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26 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

I have forebodings about this :( 

RG, he will be interim president. He has said only until elections can be held.

Of course, I expect him to win, he'll be like an incumbent 

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8 minutes ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

RG, he will be interim president. He has said only until elections can be held.

Of course, I expect him to win, he'll be like an incumbent 

He WON'T be interim president... unless Maduro stands down.. which he seems unlikely to do. And that means a civil war. 

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2 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

He WON'T be interim president... unless Maduro stands down.. which he seems unlikely to do. And that means a civil war. 

Ok, misunderstood.

Civil? don't be surprised to see Brazil come blazing in there. And maybe with the help of the US.

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5 minutes ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

Ok, misunderstood.

Civil? don't be surprised to see Brazil come blazing in there. And maybe with the help of the US.

The Brazilian army is bigger than that of Venezuela, but not HUGELY so ! And an invasion could serve as to rally Maduro's popularity. I can't see an invasion ending well :( 

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4 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

The Brazilian army is bigger than that of Venezuela, but not HUGELY so ! And an invasion could serve as to rally Maduro's popularity. I can't see an invasion ending well :( 

Ok. But from what I am seeing, the military might be waffling.  We'll see.  IMO, all looks better than when nothing was happening

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