Venezuelan Revolt on the Horizon?

[Mr.United_Nations]

Relying on one natural resource for money is a mistake. 

[Golden Duck]

2 hours ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

and 

 

Before Maduro replaced actual professionals with loyalist stooges to run PDVSA, Venezuela had much higher production coming from their reserves.  They paid more for the service as it was, yes, but got more in return. But Maduro was so greedy he did  not want to "share".

What Maduro actually did was cut his nose to spite his face. People are not slaves. You either pay the professionals what they are worth or you get what you deserve. 

Since then, Venezuela has defaulted on loans that were taken out predicated on projected oil production being higher than what it ultimately became, and of course, the revenues to the Venezuelan government are in the tank, as well.  Oh, well.

That is what I call one hard headed socialist pig. Everyone is suffering in Venezuela except for Maduro and his close minions. 

Can we share??

 

You mean Hugo Chavez

[Mr.United_Nations]

I don't Maduro was being greedy, spent money he didn't have on programs that needed heavy investment. That's the problem with soclisim it tries to do good for the people but does not now the consequences of overspending. So that's why they had to borrow money from other nations. Capitalist nation's get money from corporations, big investors and taxes.

[RavenHawk]

6 hours ago, Aquila King said:

Just read your post.  Thank you for responding.  I'm glad I didn't ask for something in-depth.  This reply is going to be just a teaser to my main response coming later today after I wake up.

And both done to he people!  Without safe guards of the rights of the people in place, both forms tend to 100% control over the people.  I don't suspect that you'll understand that, but only the will of the state (or the mob) matters.  The Founding Fathers broke away from that premise and put the power back into the hands of the people by restricting government.

[Gromdor]

6 hours ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

and 

 

Before Maduro replaced actual professionals with loyalist stooges to run PDVSA, Venezuela had much higher production coming from their reserves.  They paid more for the service as it was, yes, but got more in return. But Maduro was so greedy he did  not want to "share".

What Maduro actually did was cut his nose to spite his face. People are not slaves. You either pay the professionals what they are worth or you get what you deserve. 

Since then, Venezuela has defaulted on loans that were taken out predicated on projected oil production being higher than what it ultimately became, and of course, the revenues to the Venezuelan government are in the tank, as well.  Oh, well.

That is what I call one hard headed socialist pig. Everyone is suffering in Venezuela except for Maduro and his close minions. 

Can we share??

 

Yup, All their eggs in one basket and then basing their budget on $100/barrel oil right when Saudi Arabia decided to drop the bottom out in order to stop fracking/shale oil was their down fall. 

Of course not being to secure new loans to pay off those debts because of 2017 sanctions just escalated that situation: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-venezuela-sanctions/trump-slaps-sanctions-on-venezuela-maduro-sees-effort-to-force-default-idUSKCN1B5216

Tillerson from Exxon was Secretary of State at that time too.

 

I guess my point is that we couldn't let it play out on it's own.  We had to go in there and visibly interfere.  Is Trump trying to p*** them off enough that we really will start having terrorists from South America coming up through are southern border?  Unlike Iraq or Afghanistan, Venezuelan pro-Maduro forces can actually just drive here, climb the wall, and shoot any border patrol that happens upon them and then go about their business in say Houston.

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

4 hours ago, Golden Duck said:

You mean Hugo Chavez

Nope, I mean Maduro.   Chavez made guns illegal and may have tinkered with PDVSA but I know Maduro did himself.  Just read it the other day

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

19 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

I guess my point is that we couldn't let it play out on it's own.  We had to go in there and visibly interfere

Well, there is sure truth to that.  But if Trump did to Americans what Maduro has done to his people, the revolution would have happened long ago.

Maduro is no ef'in good. There is no other way to look at it. I think our interference should have began when the elections were rigged buy Maduro. But that's just me.

[Mr.United_Nations]

Anyone see the clip Colombian armoured vehicles heading towards the border? Can't verify the location but in the clip it is Colombian army. And just  moments a go an army intelligence plane did lots of loops near the border and landed at Cucuta, was ment to be at Medellin. Along with an airforce intelligence plane that flew direct from Bogota

[DarkHunter]

34 minutes ago, Mr.United_Nations said:

Anyone see the clip Colombian armoured vehicles heading towards the border? Can't verify the location but in the clip it is Colombian army. And just  moments a go an army intelligence plane did lots of loops near the border and landed at Cucuta, was ment to be at Medellin. Along with an airforce intelligence plane that flew direct from Bogota

The armor vehicles were also at Cucuta, Colombia has said the local government requested them to help deal with armed drug smugglers and traffickers but it seems like a lot of military grade equipment for such a task.

Also there is starting to be stuff on twitter, like videos and pictures, of the Venezuelan military starting to grab children.  The two main things I have heard as for why was conscripting anyone 13 years and older for military service and/or taking the children of military officers hostage to ensure loyalty but all of this is just rumors so far.

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

Thanks, MUN.   I have not seen it today.  Link it?

Colombia just might be trying to stop the endless flow of Venezuelan refugees coming into their country, don't know.  If Columbia has aggressive intentions, that would be a huge development and may prod Balsanaro of Brazil to get going and send troops up. 

[DarkHunter]

Like I said this is all rumors from what I have heard so far.

https://mobile.twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1090464263678894080

That is military personnel seemingly taking some children from a middle school in Venezuela.

https://mobile.twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1090460894109356033

That is a picture supposedly of the Venezuela military going around rural parts of Venezuela to forcibly conscripting people.

Of course there seems to be more pics, videos, and tweets but I'm in a bit of a hurry so dont have the time to make it more exhaustive but like I said it is all rumors so far.

[RoofGardener]

Hmm.... Venezuala has a pretty good army and air force (and even a navy). Columbia wouldn't be able to make THAT much of an impact. Even Brazil would struggle somewhat. 

[DarkHunter]

4 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

Hmm.... Venezuala has a pretty good army and air force (and even a navy). Columbia wouldn't be able to make THAT much of an impact. Even Brazil would struggle somewhat. 

Not really, Venezuela only has a somewhat decent airforce.  In terms of size and equipment Brazil has twice as much equipment and if I remember 6 times the man power.  As for Colombia it is about the same size as the Venezuelan military.

As for quality of equipment all three are approximately equal.  For example Venezuela has 192 T72s while Brazil has 126 Leopard 1A1 and 220 Leopard 1A5.  

[aztek]

meanwhile Moscow sent a jet to remove 20 tons of gold from Venezuela national bank

Edited January 30, 2019 by aztek

[Golden Duck]

4 hours ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

Nope, I mean Maduro.   Chavez made guns illegal and may have tinkered with PDVSA but I know Maduro did himself.  Just read it the other day

I've read many sources Chavez placed his guys in position of power. 

Quote

In 2002,nearly a half of PDVSA workers went on strike to pressure Chavez to call early elections. This virtually halted oil production for two months before the government gradually reestablished control over PDVSA. It then promptly fired 18,000 of its workers – approximately 40% of the workforce. The country's oil industry was then further hindered when the government, in an attempt to replace the fired employees, hired less skilled -- yet pro-Chavez – workers.

https://www.cnbc.com/id/100373746

It has been going on ages.

Edited January 30, 2019 by Golden Duck

[RoofGardener]

Venezuala has Su30 and F16 aircraft, albeit not a huge amount of them. 

It also has mobile S300 AA batteries. 

Also Duracell and Every-Ready batteries. 

Edited January 30, 2019 by RoofGardener

[Gromdor]

24 minutes ago, aztek said:

meanwhile Moscow sent a jet to remove 20 tons of gold from Venezuela national bank

Quite possibly true.  Venezuela has a debt payment due to Russia that is roughly the same value as the 20 tons of gold: https://www.ccn.com/wtf-is-venezuela-paying-off-russian-debt-with-20-tons-of-central-bank-gold-reserves/

Given the rampant inflation in the country, it would be safe to assume that Russia would take payments in forms other than Venezuelan currency.  It would also explain why Maduro has been on a gold finding craze.

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

1 hour ago, aztek said:

meanwhile Moscow sent a jet to remove 20 tons of gold from Venezuela national bank

about $300 billion?  that's telling.

But that's what greedy politicians do. Everything for THEM, screw the starving people let them eat cake. And that pig Maduro wants to complain about the professionals that ran the oil company he fired?

[aztek]

1 hour ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

about $300 billion?  that's telling.

But that's what greedy politicians do. Everything for THEM, screw the starving people let them eat cake. And that pig Maduro wants to complain about the professionals that ran the oil company he fired?

no, not that much, it's about 840mil

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

3 hours ago, aztek said:

no, not that much, it's about 840mil

Yup, I couldn't count my zeros correctly. I got $320 million because I used $500 per ounce. It is surely more than that.

[Inversion5]

On 1/21/2019 at 4:31 PM, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

...Could Maduro's days be over?

Juan Guadio is the f-ing man. Rigged elections... I saw Maduro with all his military personal (no weapons that I noticed), trying to make a statement to the population (muahahha!)... idiot. Those military people have mothers, fathers, daughters, sons... family. Those family members need to "show them the light" that cheating only helps one person... the cheater. The good of the country relies on "colors" (variety and equality). Oppression does not fit such category and nothing can ever come out of dull grey or dull green in Guadio's case. So you see, you do not need military action as Donald Trump has suggested. He should of suggested a peaceful resolution first. The almighty Trump Guadio hopefully has their national treasures/financial reservoir secured by peaceful convincing means (e.g., a thriving happy population brings prosperity and generosity at times of need to those in need - people/families that help Guadio will not be left behind).

[aztek]

it's kinda too late now, the country is destroyed already, they should have revolted long ago during Chavez 

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

Venezuela opposition leader Juan Guaidó discloses 'clandestine meetings' with the military   link

We have had clandestine meetings with members of the armed forces and the security forces. We have offered amnesty to all those who are found not guilty of crimes against humanity. The military's withdrawal of support from Mr. Maduro is crucial to enabling a change in government, and the majority of those in service agree that the country's recent travails are untenable. [Juan Guaidó, The New York Times]

 

If Guaido woos the military over, it is ALL over.  I really wish him luck

[DarkHunter]

Apparently earlier today Guaido had a visit from a special unit of the police to his home, he wasnt there but his wife and daughter were and they questioned the wife.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1PP2J3

Seems a lot of people are taking this as intimidation or a dry run for an arrest.

[aztek]

i wonder what will change if maduro is removed?   my guess not much

Edited January 31, 2019 by aztek