Venezuelan Revolt on the Horizon?

[Aquila King]

15 hours ago, aztek said:

you call a female dude?? you are special kind of stupid.  oh sorry i forgot you are a liberal, that explains everything

Yeah, I've been known to call females 'dude'.  Plenty of us young people do. I've known several girls who call each other dudes. Cause the word 'dude' doesn't just have to refer to guys anymore. It can refer to anyone now days. Words change. Gay doesn't just mean happy anymore either. Get with the times gramps. 

[F3SS]

I'm sure the ladies love it when you refer to them as dude.

[Aquila King]

22 minutes ago, F3SS said:

I'm sure the ladies love it when you refer to them as dude.

 

Quote

In the early 1960s, dude became prominent in surfer culture as a synonym of guy or fella. The female equivalent was "dudette" or "dudess," but these have both fallen into disuse, and "dude" is now also used as a unisex term. This more general meaning of "dude" started creeping into the mainstream in the mid-1970s. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dude?wprov=sfla1

 

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

18 hours ago, aztek said:

you call a female dude?? you are special kind of stupid.  oh sorry i forgot you are a liberal, that explains everything

Indeed, even I know that the feminine of dude is “dudette”.

[DarkHunter]

To get everything back on topic not too long ago Colonel Vazquez Alvarez has defected to Guaido and is calling on the military to defect and overthrow Maduro.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1092256610167255041

Also the entire police force in Valera city have defected to Guaido.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1092105145729597440

Seems that the result was for Maduro to send the military into Valera.  Some more recent tweets show the military in the city itself with IFVs but I'm too lazy to find those.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ConflictsW/status/1092206821882974208

Lastly Maduro has apparently recruited/conscripted 50,000 militia into the military with the claim that soon 2 million more militia will be becoming part of the military.  Not sure if the 2 million more claim is covered by that link or not, once again I'm rather lazy.

https://mobile.twitter.com/StratSentinel/status/1092095770378014720

Not a fan of using twitter but twitter seems to be the only source covering this as it happens.

[Eldorado]

Some news...

"President Nicolas Maduro warns of White House ‘stained with blood’ as Donald Trump says US military action an option.

Embattled president signals he has no plans to go and asks if the US would like ‘a repeat of Vietnam’."

At the South China Morning Post: https://www.scmp.com/news/world/americas/article/2184917/venezuela-crisis-embattled-president-nicolas-maduro-warns-white

[Mr.United_Nations]

10 hours ago, DarkHunter said:

To get everything back on topic not too long ago Colonel Vazquez Alvarez has defected to Guaido and is calling on the military to defect and overthrow Maduro.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1092256610167255041

Also the entire police force in Valera city have defected to Guaido.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1092105145729597440

Seems that the result was for Maduro to send the military into Valera.  Some more recent tweets show the military in the city itself with IFVs but I'm too lazy to find those.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ConflictsW/status/1092206821882974208

Lastly Maduro has apparently recruited/conscripted 50,000 militia into the military with the claim that soon 2 million more militia will be becoming part of the military.  Not sure if the 2 million more claim is covered by that link or not, once again I'm rather lazy.

https://mobile.twitter.com/StratSentinel/status/1092095770378014720

Not a fan of using twitter but twitter seems to be the only source covering this as it happens.

Those wheeled APC's are in  San Antonio Del Tachira, according to a local news women she said that they were going to inspect the aid when it comes in. 

[RavenHawk]

On 2/2/2019 at 1:06 PM, Aquila King said:

I don't have to debunk claims made without evidence. It's your job to back up your claims, not mine. Until then all it is are baseless assertions.

That’s only evidence you agree with.  But real evidence, you can’t debunk anyway.  I’ve given nothing but back up.  You’re just too dense to realize it.  As an American, you should know this stuff anyway.  You think evidence is throwing up links from the net and that’s all.  If I was to say water is wet, you’d demand a link as evidence.  Most people’s experiences would tell them that they don’t need such a link and if they do, they can certainly google the properties of water.  We’ve all seen your evidence, like your poll from another thread.  How many times do you need to be told that about polls?  It all depends on how the question is asked.  If you ask a question one way, you get one answer and then you ask the same question a different way, you get a different answer.  Does that sink in at all?  I have sympathy for the plight of the illegal immigrant, but that in no way says that I want them here.  I want people to come here legally and respect our borders and laws.  If they can’t do that then they don’t belong here no matter the circumstance.

 

If you want evidence, go read biographies of our Founding Fathers or any of the great men from the Age of Enlightenment.  They wrote a lot on Man and Freedom and Natural Rights and Human Nature, likewise enslavement and tyranny.  I even hinted at other links but you didn’t bother to be curious.  If you want links, try the Avalon Project at Yale Law or even TeachingAmericanHistory.org.  But that can get long winded and dry.  I would suggest as a primer, “The Original Argument” by Glenn Beck.  He’s put out some very high-quality books and this is one of them.  It is an excellent source for understanding the Federalist Papers.  Links are no substitute to actually familiarizing yourself with the essays.  There are numerous sources, you just need to google them.  Or if you don’t want to go through all of that, you can just understand that I am a product of the same thinking that led the Founders to create the US Constitution (I get it!).  Many others here do too (even some that aren’t American seem to get it).  Maybe you should listen occasionally?  Being indoctrinated in Socialism and not the Constitution is regression.  One is eventually in for a rude awakening.

 

They flourish: 

A canary in a cage still sings but isn’t free.  Life is more than having a government take care of you.  The existence of a man goes beyond having things done for him.  Man does not flourish in a nanny state.  In time, the culture degenerates and stagnates.  We already see that with the declining birth rates over all of Europe.  It’s worse in those nations that are more homogenized.  Europe is a nice vacation destination to visit but I would not want to live there (my apologies to the Europeans reading).  It doesn’t take long to get a sense from the people that they are cared for chattel.  That alone is counter to human nature.  You can see their desire to be free but it is tempered with the knowledge of acquiescing to their government.  This is what happens when a government begins to be not ‘of the people, for the people, and by the people’.  In other words, when Socialism takes over.  I’m sure you can google many links that give estimates that Europe will become Muslim by 2050 (if nothing is done to halt it) and that’s due to uncontrolled massed migration from Muslim nations, in an attempt to stimulate Europe’s dwindling population.  All of that culture will be lost.  Culture means nothing under a Socialist nation.  Economically, how many European nations have collapsed or have been downgraded in credit rating?  Greece, Austria, Portugal, Spain, Italy, Iceland with degrees of austerity.  France and Germany are in trouble.  Ireland has cut its corporate taxes to recruit new business.  Sweden is stepping back from decades of bad choices, they are beginning to move away from Socialism.  They are not flourishing, they are just existing.  If they were flourishing, they wouldn’t be in the situation they are now and we’re very close behind.

 

And as for your suggestion of 'what if the government can't sustain that', prove that they can't. Because these nations have been this way for decades and haven't even come close to collapsing.

As I’ve already shown, they are not flourishing.  China is about to pop, there’s been Cambodia, Cuba, East Germany, Ethiopia, North Korea, Poland, Romania, Soviet Union, Venezuela, etc.  And those are the recent top ten.  At what cost has socialism extracted?  Has it been worth the price?  Many of those have stepped back to a soft socialism but taxes are high and wages low across the board.  That is unsustainable.  That’s not a suggestion.  Socialism promised prosperity, equality, and security, it delivers poverty, misery, and tyranny.  Equality was achieved only in the sense that everyone was equal in his or her misery.  That is the legacy of Socialism.

 

See, this ^ is what I mean by prove it. You're good at filibustering with empty assertions, but I've yet to see you ever back up a single thing that you say. Main reason is you can't.

I’m making the argument, it’s your comprehension that is empty.  Here are a few quotes from “The Original Argument”.  These are basic axioms.  The Founders echoed these concepts time and time again.

 

“While monarchies are predicated on the idea of a perfect, wise ruler and utopias are based on the notion of the perfectibility of man, the Founding Fathers based our government on neither. They were students of history and understood that no man—ruler or otherwise—can ever be perfect. That's one reason why power is shared and balanced so delicately throughout the government: The government would watch over the people, but the people would watch over the government. ” -p52.

 

- Socialism is based on the perfection of society ruled by an all wise all-powerful leader (or group).  The Founding Fathers knew otherwise…

 

‘They understood, through their experiences or religious beliefs, that all humans are self- interested, fallible, and sinful and that salvation can be found only at the hands of a holy loving God, not a government.  America’s Founders sought neither to “fix” human nature nor to deny its predictable ends. Instead, by devising a republican government based on checks and balances and an economy functioning as a free market with commonsense regulation, the Founders turned the weakness of human nature into a strength of its government.  One key to that strength was in ensuring that the people were the ultimate source of power—but that they, too, would be watched and guarded.  A true majority-rule democracy, the Founders knew, could not survive in the long run.  As Madison wrote, “a dependence on the people is no doubt, the primary control on the government; but experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions”… a nicer way of saying that a safety net would be put in place so that every level of power in the country would be checked by another. That was the essence of new federalism: Trust, but verify. ” – p57.

 

- Socialism cannot operate with checks and balances and constantly tries to reprogram Man’s nature.  Socialism’s rule is ultimately tyrannical as history shows.  The Founders could not be more anti-Socialist.

 

[DarkHunter]

On 2/4/2019 at 8:57 AM, Mr.United_Nations said:

Those wheeled APC's are in  San Antonio Del Tachira, according to a local news women she said that they were going to inspect the aid when it comes in. 

Been hearing different things on if Venezuelan military will block or steal the supplies, either way it seems Colombia is planning on sending soldiers with the supplies due to the amount of soldiers amassing in Cucuta.

Would add links but I dont have much time at this moment.

[Black Red Devil]

1 hour ago, RavenHawk said:

As I’ve already shown, they are not flourishing.  China is about to pop, there’s been Cambodia, Cuba, East Germany, Ethiopia, North Korea, Poland, Romania, Soviet Union, Venezuela, etc.  And those are the recent top ten.  At what cost has socialism extracted?  Has it been worth the price?  Many of those have stepped back to a soft socialism but taxes are high and wages low across the board.  That is unsustainable.  That’s not a suggestion.  Socialism promised prosperity, equality, and security, it delivers poverty, misery, and tyranny.  Equality was achieved only in the sense that everyone was equal in his or her misery.  That is the legacy of Socialism.

 

Geez you just don't get it do you?  None of those nations you quoted were Socialist ideologies.  In fact, no countries have ever adapted total conceptions of Socialism.  It's a utopian idea that never eventuated in Communist countries because the ruling parties would have had to relinquish their power to the community.  All those countries from the Soviet block were mono party dictatorships, similar to all other dictatorships that ever existed, whether they were and are ruled by religious doctrines, a single individual as a dictator or, as mentioned, a mono Party.  China is also a dictatorship today but the Chinese were ruthless enough to incorporate their Communist ideology into Capitalism which means they reap the benefits of paying workers low wages while providing them real basic living standards and this allowed them for decades to dominate world manufacturing. 

In other words, Capitalism and Dictatorship are non adherent to Socialist beliefs and Venezuela is only a Socialist country by name but no different than other tin pot dictatorships that have existed around the world, left, centre or right.

 

 

[RavenHawk]

22 hours ago, Black Red Devil said:

Geez you just don't get it do you?  None of those nations you quoted were Socialist ideologies.

Then you don’t get it.  They all are/were some flavor of Socialism.  They all had some form of tyranny.  They all trend toward the 100% government control end of the spectrum.  Socialism does not respect the rights of the individual.

 

In fact, no countries have ever adapted total conceptions of Socialism. 

Don’t need to have total adoption.  Socialism is such that in time it will engulf the current government.  It is a malignant virus.  I agree that a pure Socialism doesn’t exist, it can never really exist.  It is physically impossible for pure Socialism to exist.  That’s why we have multiple flavors and they always end in failure, dictatorships, and tyranny.  And anyone that is pro-Socialism is on a fool’s errand.

 

It's a utopian idea that never eventuated in Communist countries because the ruling parties would have had to relinquish their power to the community. 

That’s a misconception.  Someone is always required to lead the community.  You’d have your choice of ‘tyranny of the many’ or ‘tyranny of the one (or group)’.  Doesn’t really matter because the rights of the minority is never protected.  This is why even pure Socialism can’t work.  In human nature, people are not equal and that prevents them from having equal outcome.

 

All those countries from the Soviet block were mono party dictatorships, similar to all other dictatorships that ever existed, whether they were and are ruled by religious doctrines, a single individual as a dictator or, as mentioned, a mono Party. 

What do you think Socialism is in practice?  It is tyrannical mono party dictatorships.  The state must steal from some in order to redistribute to others.  The state must coerce or enslave the people to the lowest common denominator to share.

 

China is also a dictatorship today but the Chinese were ruthless enough to incorporate their Communist ideology into Capitalism which means they reap the benefits of paying workers low wages while providing them real basic living standards and this allowed them for decades to dominate world manufacturing. 

Socialism is all about controlling the means of production as opposed to the individual.  In Socialism, the deed to a business might be in an individual’s name, but it is the state that dictates what that business does.  The state has the final say.  The Chinese dominate by flooding the market with cheap crap.  That is something that can’t last too much longer.  The Chinese economy is beginning to reap the results of that and Trump is ready to pop that bubble.

 

In other words, Capitalism and Dictatorship are non adherent to Socialist beliefs and Venezuela is only a Socialist country by name but no different than other tin pot dictatorships that have existed around the world, left, centre or right.

Capitalism is twisted by Socialism to work for it (Crony Capitalism), prices are set and quotas imposed.  It’s not free market Capitalism.  Socialism *IS* dictatorship.  Pure Socialism would have to be imposed on the people in an Authoritarianism or Totalitarianism government.

[Sir Smoke aLot]

On 2/6/2019 at 1:40 AM, Black Red Devil said:

In other words, Capitalism and Dictatorship are non adherent to Socialist beliefs and Venezuela is only a Socialist country by name but no different than other tin pot dictatorships that have existed around the world, left, centre or right.

Meh, if socialism is so bad why do ''democracies'' and their MSM have to do things like fake reports to support toppling of such socialistic governments? 

If socialism in Venezuela was so bad then why not simply use it as tool to make changes? America should have an easy job now and it should have been easy job back in 2005 (alto it wasn't confirmed but it's highly suspected to have played a role, at least CIA partially)

So, socialism in Venezuela is BS, OK bu then why do people support Maduro and why did MSM had to record videos in Buenos Aires and label those videos as rallies that happened in Caracas? Actually BBC took CBS and CNN false report and portrait it as ''Guaido finally got support''. Just crazy.

''rally'' which i refer to, picture below :

Article : LINK

It's from 2 February so i can't imagine what else is being ''cooked in the kitchen'' but this recent relative silence makes me fear that military operation is discussed or Maduro already won.

In this case MSM chose stuff with iconic monuments in picture

Short video about Silver flower :

I am sorry if this was mentioned as i didn't catch up with everything in this topic but this talk about socialism made me to  So, if it's so bad why lie to take it down? It should like implode or something

Long live Venezuela, Chavez and Maduro especially for their support for oppressed people and for those in Hurricane struck areas.

[Gromdor]

Seems like stuff is slowing down, which really isn't good for Guaidó.  The Constitution makes him President for 30 days if the position is vacant- which it is by claiming Maduro isn't president legally.  In those 30 days, he is supposed to arrange elections to fill the Presidency.  If that doesn't happen, he will lose his legitimacy as President (at least according to the Constitution) at which point the Constitution is just ink on paper and anything goes.  That situation seems to give Maduro the edge.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/guaido-not-maduro-de-jure-president-venezuela

Edited February 17, 2019 by Gromdor
added link

[Buzz_Light_Year]

Socialism:

Begins on the soapbox.

Voted in at the ballotbox

Only way out is by the bullet box.

[Mr.United_Nations]

On 17/02/2019 at 3:44 PM, Gromdor said:

Seems like stuff is slowing down, which really isn't good for Guaidó.  The Constitution makes him President for 30 days if the position is vacant- which it is by claiming Maduro isn't president legally.  In those 30 days, he is supposed to arrange elections to fill the Presidency.  If that doesn't happen, he will lose his legitimacy as President (at least according to the Constitution) at which point the Constitution is just ink on paper and anything goes.  That situation seems to give Maduro the edge.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/guaido-not-maduro-de-jure-president-venezuela

But Maduro rejected it, I  believe both parties have to agree

[Mr.United_Nations]

On 16/02/2019 at 9:48 PM, Sir Smoke aLot said:

Meh, if socialism is so bad why do ''democracies'' and their MSM have to do things like fake reports to support toppling of such socialistic governments? 

If socialism in Venezuela was so bad then why not simply use it as tool to make changes? America should have an easy job now and it should have been easy job back in 2005 (alto it wasn't confirmed but it's highly suspected to have played a role, at least CIA partially)

So, socialism in Venezuela is BS, OK bu then why do people support Maduro and why did MSM had to record videos in Buenos Aires and label those videos as rallies that happened in Caracas? Actually BBC took CBS and CNN false report and portrait it as ''Guaido finally got support''. Just crazy.

''rally'' which i refer to, picture below :

Article : LINK

It's from 2 February so i can't imagine what else is being ''cooked in the kitchen'' but this recent relative silence makes me fear that military operation is discussed or Maduro already won.

In this case MSM chose stuff with iconic monuments in picture

Short video about Silver flower :

I am sorry if this was mentioned as i didn't catch up with everything in this topic but this talk about socialism made me to  So, if it's so bad why lie to take it down? It should like implode or something

Long live Venezuela, Chavez and Maduro especially for their support for oppressed people and for those in Hurricane struck areas.

Regardless, if Maduro has support has he claims, then why does vist military bases and oversees exercises rather then being in towns and cities, which he says all support him? He doesn't trust the people, always hides behind Cuba

[ellapenella]

On 1/21/2019 at 4:31 PM, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) — Venezuela plunged deeper into turmoil on Monday as security forces put down a pre-dawn uprising by national guardsmen that triggered violent street protests and the Supreme Court moved to undercut the opposition-controlled congress’ defiant new leadership.

Mutiny Quelled in Venezuela  Ominous clouds.

President Bolsonaro of Brazil has refused to recognise Maduro as president of Venezuela and instead has recognized Maduro's opposition leader, Juan Guaido, as president.  Further, Bolsonaro has openly said that his presidency will address the dictatorship in Venezuela, perhaps support a revolution.

Could Maduro's days be over?

 

 

[ellapenella]

On 2/17/2019 at 10:53 AM, Buzz_Light_Year said:

Socialism:

Begins on the soapbox.

Voted in at the ballotbox

Only way out is by the bullet box.

The day's of socialism are numbered.. Socialism is talked about in that there video. 

[ellapenella]

On 2/5/2019 at 4:53 PM, RavenHawk said:

That’s only evidence you agree with.  But real evidence, you can’t debunk anyway.  I’ve given nothing but back up.  You’re just too dense to realize it.  As an American, you should know this stuff anyway.  You think evidence is throwing up links from the net and that’s all.  If I was to say water is wet, you’d demand a link as evidence.  Most people’s experiences would tell them that they don’t need such a link and if they do, they can certainly google the properties of water.  We’ve all seen your evidence, like your poll from another thread.  How many times do you need to be told that about polls?  It all depends on how the question is asked.  If you ask a question one way, you get one answer and then you ask the same question a different way, you get a different answer.  Does that sink in at all?  I have sympathy for the plight of the illegal immigrant, but that in no way says that I want them here.  I want people to come here legally and respect our borders and laws.  If they can’t do that then they don’t belong here no matter the circumstance.

 

 

 

If you want evidence, go read biographies of our Founding Fathers or any of the great men from the Age of Enlightenment.  They wrote a lot on Man and Freedom and Natural Rights and Human Nature, likewise enslavement and tyranny.  I even hinted at other links but you didn’t bother to be curious.  If you want links, try the Avalon Project at Yale Law or even TeachingAmericanHistory.org.  But that can get long winded and dry.  I would suggest as a primer, “The Original Argument” by Glenn Beck.  He’s put out some very high-quality books and this is one of them.  It is an excellent source for understanding the Federalist Papers.  Links are no substitute to actually familiarizing yourself with the essays.  There are numerous sources, you just need to google them.  Or if you don’t want to go through all of that, you can just understand that I am a product of the same thinking that led the Founders to create the US Constitution (I get it!).  Many others here do too (even some that aren’t American seem to get it).  Maybe you should listen occasionally?  Being indoctrinated in Socialism and not the Constitution is regression.  One is eventually in for a rude awakening.

 

 

 

 

A canary in a cage still sings but isn’t free.  Life is more than having a government take care of you.  The existence of a man goes beyond having things done for him.  Man does not flourish in a nanny state.  In time, the culture degenerates and stagnates.  We already see that with the declining birth rates over all of Europe.  It’s worse in those nations that are more homogenized.  Europe is a nice vacation destination to visit but I would not want to live there (my apologies to the Europeans reading).  It doesn’t take long to get a sense from the people that they are cared for chattel.  That alone is counter to human nature.  You can see their desire to be free but it is tempered with the knowledge of acquiescing to their government.  This is what happens when a government begins to be not ‘of the people, for the people, and by the people’.  In other words, when Socialism takes over.  I’m sure you can google many links that give estimates that Europe will become Muslim by 2050 (if nothing is done to halt it) and that’s due to uncontrolled massed migration from Muslim nations, in an attempt to stimulate Europe’s dwindling population.  All of that culture will be lost.  Culture means nothing under a Socialist nation.  Economically, how many European nations have collapsed or have been downgraded in credit rating?  Greece, Austria, Portugal, Spain, Italy, Iceland with degrees of austerity.  France and Germany are in trouble.  Ireland has cut its corporate taxes to recruit new business.  Sweden is stepping back from decades of bad choices, they are beginning to move away from Socialism.  They are not flourishing, they are just existing.  If they were flourishing, they wouldn’t be in the situation they are now and we’re very close behind.

 

 

 

 

As I’ve already shown, they are not flourishing.  China is about to pop, there’s been Cambodia, Cuba, East Germany, Ethiopia, North Korea, Poland, Romania, Soviet Union, Venezuela, etc.  And those are the recent top ten.  At what cost has socialism extracted?  Has it been worth the price?  Many of those have stepped back to a soft socialism but taxes are high and wages low across the board.  That is unsustainable.  That’s not a suggestion.  Socialism promised prosperity, equality, and security, it delivers poverty, misery, and tyranny.  Equality was achieved only in the sense that everyone was equal in his or her misery.  That is the legacy of Socialism.

 

 

 

 

 

I’m making the argument, it’s your comprehension that is empty.  Here are a few quotes from “The Original Argument”.  These are basic axioms.  The Founders echoed these concepts time and time again.

 

 

 

“While monarchies are predicated on the idea of a perfect, wise ruler and utopias are based on the notion of the perfectibility of man, the Founding Fathers based our government on neither. They were students of history and understood that no man—ruler or otherwise—can ever be perfect. That's one reason why power is shared and balanced so delicately throughout the government: The government would watch over the people, but the people would watch over the government. ” -p52.

 

 

 

- Socialism is based on the perfection of society ruled by an all wise all-powerful leader (or group).  The Founding Fathers knew otherwise…

 

 

 

‘They understood, through their experiences or religious beliefs, that all humans are self- interested, fallible, and sinful and that salvation can be found only at the hands of a holy loving God, not a government.  America’s Founders sought neither to “fix” human nature nor to deny its predictable ends. Instead, by devising a republican government based on checks and balances and an economy functioning as a free market with commonsense regulation, the Founders turned the weakness of human nature into a strength of its government.  One key to that strength was in ensuring that the people were the ultimate source of power—but that they, too, would be watched and guarded.  A true majority-rule democracy, the Founders knew, could not survive in the long run.  As Madison wrote, “a dependence on the people is no doubt, the primary control on the government; but experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions”… a nicer way of saying that a safety net would be put in place so that every level of power in the country would be checked by another. That was the essence of new federalism: Trust, but verify. ” – p57.

 

 

 

- Socialism cannot operate with checks and balances and constantly tries to reprogram Man’s nature.  Socialism’s rule is ultimately tyrannical as history shows.  The Founders could not be more anti-Socialist.

 

 

Did you listen to the President's speech at FIU ? I don't see how anyone in their right mind would not see the harmful danger in the ideology of socialism.

Many of the people there, that he was speaking with actually lived it or have family that have .

Only those on top  pushing socialism into nations are empowered, the citizens are never well off because of it. 

 

“A new day is coming in Latin America,” Trump said.

https://miami.cbslocal.com/2019/02/18/president-trump-venezuela-fiu-monday/

[Sir Smoke aLot]

21 hours ago, Mr.United_Nations said:

Regardless, if Maduro has support has he claims, then why does vist military bases and oversees exercises rather then being in towns and cities, which he says all support him? He doesn't trust the people, always hides behind Cuba

I would not like to speculate about it and all we hear is bunch of speculations. If the world was so preoccupied with helping people to get liberty and democracy Palestine would have state and democracy long ago. I do not hear cries from Trump or anyone else from US administration about Palestinian issue so there's that. Only reason, as Trump say, that USA is 'concerned' about Venezuela is because of freedom and Democracy. 

What a sick joke man.

[RoofGardener]

35 minutes ago, Sir Smoke aLot said:

I would not like to speculate about it and all we hear is bunch of speculations. If the world was so preoccupied with helping people to get liberty and democracy Palestine would have state and democracy long ago. I do not hear cries from Trump or anyone else from US administration about Palestinian issue so there's that. Only reason, as Trump say, that USA is 'concerned' about Venezuela is because of freedom and Democracy. 

What a sick joke man.

I think the flaw in your reasoning is that the Palestinians (or rather, their leadership) do not (and never did) WANT liberty or democracy. You can't help people that don't want to be helped. Venezuala is a very different kettle of fish.  

Edited February 19, 2019 by RoofGardener

[Black Red Devil]

How about the blockage of aid into Yemen by the Saudi's?  Is he going to threaten to send the military in there as well?

[Sir Smoke aLot]

2 hours ago, RoofGardener said:

I think the flaw in your reasoning is that the Palestinians (or rather, their leadership) do not (and never did) WANT liberty or democracy. You can't help people that don't want to be helped. Venezuala is a very different kettle of fish.  

Yeah, they prefer to live under impossible circumstances thrown at them, for over 100 years, who would not prefer that... Who can get tired of being squashed on daily basis. Bu this ain't about that issue.

It's great parallel. You can chose other too, how about Bahrain? Saudi Arabia? Maybe Yemen or Somalia? Sudan? Chad? Oh, there's Haiti too? I would not dare mention France either, alto i have not heard Maduro using so much gas against protests.

Problem is not any of those mentioned but rather simple, Maduro seems to be stealing someone's freedoms

[ellapenella]

55 minutes ago, Black Red Devil said:

How about the blockage of aid into Yemen by the Saudi's?  Is he going to threaten to send the military in there as well?

He's doing what he has to do for the U.S. Unlike the last few President's.

 

[ellapenella]

9 minutes ago, Sir Smoke aLot said:

Yeah, they prefer to live under impossible circumstances thrown at them, for over 100 years, who would not prefer that... Who can get tired of being squashed on daily basis. Bu this ain't about that issue.

 

So for 100 years , you're saying that for over 100 years they couldn't build something better ?  I would hope that after 100 years they would get tired of holding onto hate and will try being more productive. What have they done in the last 100 years ?