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8 minutes ago, stereologist said:

The notion of disclosure is rather vague. Anything someone says is linked to disclosure. Yet, disclosure never happens.

The nonexistent slow drip feed is imaginary. There really hasn't been anything leading up to disclosure. It doesn't get closer and closer to any announcement.

You also mention David Wilcock. He was one of the kooks talking about 2012. Went suddenly quiet when nothing happened. I looked into some his claims back then and found out that he loved to use references that did not support the statements he was making. He came off as just another charlatan. His statements are false. He pretends they are true and pretends to show support. He promotes such pseudoscience as vitalism. The guy is a joke and nothing he says should be trusted. I couldn't find anything back in 2012 that he claimed that was true.

The one thing that amazes me all of the time is that even after the gigantic failure of the 2012 fiasco people still believe the hucksters that promoted the failures.

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I just looked up that guy and he is the one claiming he is the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce.

It's gonna suck when you realize how much of lie you've been living and told. If you truly did your research, you'd know.  Those that don't believe, never will. Those that do... ALREADY KNOW.

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Just now, Mystify said:

It's gonna suck when you realize how much of lie you've been living and told. If you truly did your research, you'd know.  Those that don't believe, never will. Those that do... ALREADY KNOW.

 

You stated that Wilcock was your source for 7 years. Do you really believe that? Wilcock does have a track record of complete failure when it came to 2012.

Do you have anything support this story of 7 years?

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7 minutes ago, stereologist said:

 

You stated that Wilcock was your source for 7 years. Do you really believe that? Wilcock does have a track record of complete failure when it came to 2012.

Do you have anything support this story of 7 years?

I think you misunderstood what he was talking about happening in 2012. Simple calendar end. That's it.  But this is bigger than this little world.

Life is WAY more than our little planet. I'd suggest watching a few documentaries and reading a few books.

 

here are a few Fav's   

Flying Saucers are Real by MAJOR Donald Keyhoe

Selected by Extraterrestrials by William Mills Tomkins  ( Worked at area 51 )

Our Ancestors came from Outer Space by Maurice Chateaulain,  (Former Nasa Chief of Communications)

Day After Roswell -  By Lieutenant Philipe J Corso

 

99% of what I've read from these people have matched up with Wilock.  Pales in comparison to some little 2012 scenario. THIS is where I get my REAL info. From the horses mouth so to speak. I read autobiographies, not just web stories.

 

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14 minutes ago, Mystify said:

It's gonna suck when you realize how much of lie you've been living and told. If you truly did your research, you'd know.  Those that don't believe, never will. Those that do... ALREADY KNOW.

The last time I looked for a disclosure date was back in 2011. The date given was 2012. That was 7 years ago. Back then I learned that disclosure is given a new date each year slowly creeping up the calendar, year after year.

I ask, who has been lied to? I have done my research and know it isn't me.

You end with obvious fallacies.

1. The idea that those that don't believe will never believe is the first fallacy. Lots of people change their minds on all sorts of issues. This is obviously false.

2. Believing is not the same as knowing. Believing is believing. It is not knowing.

 

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"The purpose of AATIP was to investigate foreign advanced aerospace weapon threats from the present out to the next 40 years"

Read it ;)

It's speculative research based on what might theoretically be possible in the future.

Doesnt mean any of it is possible today

I daresay back in the 80s they did similar studies into personal communication devices and miniaturised data transfer (mobile phones and SD cards). 

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And another from the list, for those into stargates .....

http://electrogravityphysics.com/wp-content/uploads/traversable-wormholes-stargates-negative-energy001.pdf

Although how credible Eric Davis is is a matter of opinion.

https://www.scribd.com/document/78712753/Eric-W-Davis-Wormhole-Stargates-Tunneling-Through-The-Cosmic-Neighborhood


But all the research is out there in the public domain :)

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16 minutes ago, stereologist said:

The last time I looked for a disclosure date was back in 2011. The date given was 2012. That was 7 years ago. Back then I learned that disclosure is given a new date each year slowly creeping up the calendar, year after year.

I ask, who has been lied to? I have done my research and know it isn't me.

You end with obvious fallacies.

1. The idea that those that don't believe will never believe is the first fallacy. Lots of people change their minds on all sorts of issues. This is obviously false.

2. Believing is not the same as knowing. Believing is believing. It is not knowing.

 

IF YOU SAY so... then it MUST be true...  you've never been lied to;. That's not a fallacy?   And the idea was those that don't believe now, don't. Those that do, already know the truth. And yes, knowing and believing go kind of hand in hand. If not... then how the hell would or could anyone define what TRUTH is?

Have you seen Above Majestic yet?  Have you READ ANY of the books I mentioned?

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5 minutes ago, Mystify said:

I think you misunderstood what he was talking about happening in 2012. Simple calendar end. That's it.  But this is bigger than this little world.

Life is WAY more than our little planet. I'd suggest watching a few documentaries and reading a few books.

 

here are a few Fav's   

Flying Saucers are Real by MAJOR Donald Keyhoe

Selected by Extraterrestrials by William Mills Tomkins  ( Worked at area 51 )

Our Ancestors came from Outer Space by Maurice Chateaulain,  (Former Nasa Chief of Communications)

Day After Roswell -  By Lieutenant Philipe J Corso

 

99% of what I've read from these people have matched up with Wilock.  Pales in comparison to some little 2012 scenario. THIS is where I get my REAL info. From the horses mouth so to speak. I read autobiographies, not just web stories.

 

You didn't read Wilcock did you concerning 2012? He claimed some consciousness shift that never happened. He and others like Calleman made grandiose claims that never happened.

I am well aware of Keyhoe and his book. I have not read it but do understand that it proposes a possibility. The book was published in 1950 and is quite outdated.

Tomkins is way out there. He claimed that Hitler signed a treaty with aliens. That's pretty funny don't you think? They were reptilians.

 

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11 minutes ago, Essan said:

"The purpose of AATIP was to investigate foreign advanced aerospace weapon threats from the present out to the next 40 years"

Read it ;)

It's speculative research based on what might theoretically be possible in the future.

Doesnt mean any of it is possible today

I daresay back in the 80s they did similar studies into personal communication devices and miniaturised data transfer (mobile phones and SD cards). 

This info coming from those that are behind the cover up. Why would you believe that? They'll admit to as little as possible. Like I mentioned. It's the only way to get away with it later on by saying they DID admit it. We just didn't care.

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1 minute ago, Mystify said:

IF YOU SAY so... then it MUST be true...  you've never been lied to;. That's not a fallacy?   And the idea was those that don't believe now, don't. Those that do, already know the truth. And yes, knowing and believing go kind of hand in hand. If not... then how the hell would or could anyone define what TRUTH is?

Have you seen Above Majestic yet?  Have you READ ANY of the books I mentioned?

You need to learn the difference between the words believing and knowing. They are different. Maybe you choose to use them in a manner inconsistent with accepted usage?

You ask what truth is. Good question. Philosophers have been debating that for millennia.

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12 minutes ago, Essan said:

"The purpose of AATIP was to investigate foreign advanced aerospace weapon threats from the present out to the next 40 years"

Read it ;)

It's speculative research based on what might theoretically be possible in the future.

Doesnt mean any of it is possible today

I daresay back in the 80s they did similar studies into personal communication devices and miniaturised data transfer (mobile phones and SD cards). 

There have been many sub organizations created to analyze future threats and emerging technologies and their applications. Most of it speculative, other areas are based off in-field intelligence gathered.

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3 minutes ago, Mystify said:

IF YOU SAY so... then it MUST be true...  you've never been lied to;. That's not a fallacy?   And the idea was those that don't believe now, don't. Those that do, already know the truth. And yes, knowing and believing go kind of hand in hand. If not... then how the hell would or could anyone define what TRUTH is?

Have you seen Above Majestic yet?  Have you READ ANY of the books I mentioned?

There we go with the non sequiturs. Please follow th thread. I never suggested or stated that I have been lied to. That is something you made up.

I don't believe at this point since the evidence for alien visitation is poor to pathetic. If something comes up in the future I am willing to change my mind.

Were you around for 2012? I kind of doubt it. It was a huge cash cow for people like Wilcock as they swindled gullible and foolish people. It began with the end of the world and all sorts of doom porn that was followed up tales of a shift in consciousness and everyone would receive super powers and there would be wellness and light for all ... This disclosure thing is a pittance to the hoopla of 2012.

So now you see some similarity between the stories told by the cranks like Wilcock. That's because Wilcock is a copier. He takes ideas from others and claims them as his own. He did that back in 2012.

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8 minutes ago, Mystify said:

 then how the hell would or could anyone define what TRUTH is?

it's called facts= facts define what TRUTH is

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21 minutes ago, stereologist said:

You didn't read Wilcock did you concerning 2012? He claimed some consciousness shift that never happened. He and others like Calleman made grandiose claims that never happened.

I am well aware of Keyhoe and his book. I have not read it but do understand that it proposes a possibility. The book was published in 1950 and is quite outdated.

Tomkins is way out there. He claimed that Hitler signed a treaty with aliens. That's pretty funny don't you think? They were reptilians.

 

 

1 hour ago, stereologist said:

You didn't read Wilcock did you concerning 2012? He claimed some consciousness shift that never happened. He and others like Calleman made grandiose claims that never happened.

I am well aware of Keyhoe and his book. I have not read it but do understand that it proposes a possibility. The book was published in 1950 and is quite outdated.

Tomkins is way out there. He claimed that Hitler signed a treaty with aliens. That's pretty funny don't you think? They were reptilians.

 

lol I don't care if you believe. As I said... those of us who know... know. We don't ponder anymore.  And yes... Nazi's had access to UFO technology before we did and also entered an alliance with some of the black hats.

 

Anyways... TOMKINS is legit. He worked there and describes everything to a T. I don't need more proof... even of things far out there.

Cuz 50 years ago.. having a TV screen in my car that told me where to go was outlandish.  There's a clear pattern. Science Fiction becomes fiction more often then not. Our consciousness is all intertwined and this life is much more than wondering if they're real or not. That's UFO 101; I'm more interested in why, and what to do moving forward.

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1 hour ago, Dejarma said:

it's called facts= facts define what TRUTH is

nope. Because you can manipulate facts still.  Eyewitness Testimony is the base of ANY fact. The ONLY true source. Someone had to have it happen to them for it to exist.

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5 minutes ago, Mystify said:

nope. Because you can manipulate facts still.  Eyewitness Testimony is the base of ANY fact. The ONLY true source. Someone had to have it happen to them for it to exist.

you obviously do not understand the meaning of the word>  fact

so i think it's best i leave you to it because carrying on with any conversation with you will be pointless... cheers

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I allways enjoy it when people are talking about something being super secret and then proceed to tell us about it. They never seem to get the inherent contradiction. :innocent:

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7 minutes ago, Scudbuster said:

Hey, forget some of these characters in here, all that counts is what numerous prominent people - you know, people who have actual knowledge of the subject, and what they have to say: 

Lockheed's Ben Rich: 
 
Talking with Jim Goodall:  "Jim, we have things out in the desert that are fifty years beyond what you can comprehend. They have about forty-five hundred people at the Lockheed Skunk works. What have they been doing for the last eighteen or twenty years? They’re building something.” 

“There is an error in the equations, and we have figured it out, and now know how to travel to the stars, and it won’t take a lifetime to do it” (source: UCLA School of Engineering Alumni speech 3/23/93)

It is time to end all secrecy on this, as it no longer poses a national security threat, and make the technology available for use in the private sector”. (source: UCLA School of Engineering Alumni speech 3/23/93)“I wish I could tell you about the projects we are currently working on. They are both fascinating and fantastic. They call for technologies once only dreamed of by science fiction writers”. (source: AIAA lecture Atlanta, Ga. September 7-9 1988)

“I wish I could tell you about the projects we are currently working on. They are both fascinating and fantastic. They call for technologies once only dreamed of by science fiction writers”. (source: AIAA lecture Atlanta, Ga. September 7-9 1988)

And a few others:

“These UFOs are interplanetary devices systematically observing the Earth, either manned or under remote control, or both.”
“Information on UFOs, including sighting reports, has been and is still being officially withheld.”
Colonel Joseph J. Bryan III, founder member of the CIAs psychological warfare staff, advisor to NATO.
 
"Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe the unknown flying objects are nonsense."
Admiral Roscoe Hillenkoetter
 
"Reportedly, a spaceship landed and it was all hushed up, quieted, and nobody ever heard much of it. So I called Curtis Lemay and I said 'General, I know we have a room at Wright Patterson where you put all this secret stuff; could I go in there?' I never heard him get mad, but he got madder than hell at me, cussed me out - said don't ever ask me that question again."
Senator Barry Goldwater
 
 
The UFO was bouncing around the 747. (It) was a huge ball with lights
running around it… Well, I’ve been involved in a lot of cover-ups with the FAA. When we gave the presentation to the Reagan staff, they had all those people swear that this never happened. But they never had me swear it never happened. I can tell you what I’ve seen with my own eyes. I’ve got a videotape. I’ve got the voice tape. I’ve got the reports that were filed that will confirm what I’ve been telling you.”
John Callaghan, FAA Chief of Accidents and Investigations
 
 
“It is impossible for any man-made machine to make a sudden appearance in front of a jumbo jet that is flying 910 kilometers per hour and to remain in steady formation paralleling our aircraft. … Honestly, we were simply breathtaken.”
Kenju Terauchi Japan Airlines pilot in 1986.
 
 
       "McMullen told me, ‘You are not to discuss this… this is more than top secret…  
       it’s beyond that.  It’s within my priority as deputy to [Gen.] George Kenney, 
       and he in turn responsible to the President, this is the highest priority you can
       exhibit.  And you will say nothing. And that's the end of it.  ...Jesus, that's the 
       commander and chief and you forgot about it." 
 
       Colonel Thomas DuBose, Roswell Deputy Commander
 
 
"I have discussed this matter with the affected agencies of the government, and they are of the opinion that it is not wise to publicize the matter at this time" 
Richard Russell, head of the Armed Services Committee, following his sighting of a UFO during an official trip to the Soviet Union in 1955.
 

“Reliable reports indicate there are objects coming into our atmosphere at very high speeds and controlled by thinking intelligences.”

Navy Admiral Delmar Fahrney in a public statement during 1957.

 

 Thus - $70 trillion in black projects.........some serious coin in pursuit of this stuff that we now know is possible, and comments like these hint strongly as to why we are spending it. 

All of those comments are at least a quarter of a century old!

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5 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

All of those comments are at least a quarter of a century old!

Does that mean the statements are false?   I mean, what's your point here?    Patrick Henry said "Give me liberty or give me death"  245 years ago. So?

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4 minutes ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

Does that mean the statements are false?   I mean, what's your point here?    Patrick Henry said "Give me liberty or give me death"  245 years ago. So?

A quarter of a century, or more, and still no examples of anything they mention.

For example, the ability to just appear in front of an airliner has other applications.

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35 minutes ago, Scudbuster said:

“Reliable reports indicate there are objects coming into our atmosphere at very high speeds and controlled by thinking intelligences.”

so where are all the aliens then? talk like this has been going on for years & years yet still no facts...........

top secret yet we're all talking about it in a public forum..............

the authorities keep the existence of aliens on this planet a secret yet we all know they are here, apparently.............

hmmm, strange isn't it?

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1 minute ago, Dejarma said:

so where are all the aliens then? talk like this has been going on for years & years yet still no facts...........

top secret yet we're all talking about it in a public forum..............

the authorities keep the existence of aliens on this planet a secret yet we all know they are here, apparently.............

hmmm, strange isn't it?

Some people have a tough time accepting that the savior aliens haven't been here. Or any aliens for that matter...

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