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2 hours ago, Mystify said:

 

lol I don't care if you believe. As I said... those of us who know... know. We don't ponder anymore.  And yes... Nazi's had access to UFO technology before we did and also entered an alliance with some of the black hats.

 

Anyways... TOMKINS is legit. He worked there and describes everything to a T. I don't need more proof... even of things far out there.

Cuz 50 years ago.. having a TV screen in my car that told me where to go was outlandish.  There's a clear pattern. Science Fiction becomes fiction more often then not. Our consciousness is all intertwined and this life is much more than wondering if they're real or not. That's UFO 101; I'm more interested in why, and what to do moving forward.

I can see that you are one of the gullible that keeps cranks like Wilcock, Tomkins, EVD and other in business. Frankly, you don't know. You simply believe. There is nothing but stories.

Take this crank named Tomkin, He claims there were thousands of UFOs in the sky and he saw them. No other witness saw more than 1 or maybe a few. He's a story teller and the older he gets the bigger the whopper he feeds to those that don't understand the difference between know and belief.

Tomkin is famous for his ridiculous claims. He claims some UFO manuals are written in Egyptian hieroglyphs. He claims to be able to remote view and do it out of the galaxy. RV is a joke. Like the RV crew that saw the mother ship behind Hale Bopp. You know that story right? That's where the people killed themselves to go up to the nonexistent mothership. RV people tell us about the active UFO mining operations which the Mars orbiters show us does not exist. Tomkin claims the Nazis found Noah's Ark. Do you believe that too? It's getting difficult to type I'm laughing so hard at this guy you call legit. He claims Hollywood has been bombarding all of us with subliminal messages. OMG, the list of lunacy from Tomkin has no ending and you called him legit.

 

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2 hours ago, Mystify said:

nope. Because you can manipulate facts still.  Eyewitness Testimony is the base of ANY fact. The ONLY true source. Someone had to have it happen to them for it to exist.

False. Eyewitness testimony is not the base of any fact. Another false statement is that it has to happen to someone for it to exist.

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46 minutes ago, Scudbuster said:

Hey, forget some of these characters in here, all that counts is what numerous prominent people - you know, people who have actual knowledge of the subject, and what they have to say... 

Sorry, but some of the individuals you are quoting have been flat out debunked as being mistaken during their initial analyses and statements.

There has been the same rumblings you project for decades, yes decades. Alas no revelations, no spacecraft, no aliens.

If there were so many truth-seekers out there wouldn't there be something more tangible than the laughable Bob Lazar story? The Rendelsham boys can't keep their story consistent as it gets more eccentric as the years pass. Where is the proof? You mean to tell me that these Generals or other high ranking officials didn't have one of their staff flunkies take one good photo? Not one of them can corroborate the statements made?

I may be a "character" as you say, but I don't subscribe to unsubstantiated claims by anyone (regardless of rank or title).

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2 minutes ago, Trelane said:

Some people have a tough time accepting that the savior aliens haven't been here. Or any aliens for that matter...

aliens could be here, why not ?  it's more than possible- BUT, imho the evidence put forward so far is nowhere near convincing enough for me to believe it!

like i've said many times before:

aliens land on earth for real... world media recording this amazing event....

they say they are the first here== i wonder how many people would call them liers? maybe the likes of Travis Walton, Whitley Strieber (to name a few famous ones) & those in this forum that tell us all they've had contact

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3 minutes ago, Trelane said:

The Rendelsham boys can't keep their story consistent as it gets more eccentric as the years pass. Where is the proof? You mean to tell me that these Generals or other high ranking officials didn't have one of their staff flunkies take one good photo? Not one of them can corroborate the statements made?

yeah, why the FK anyone would feel it a good idea to take a tape recorder with em!?!? hmmm, a good example of top people in charge of our security thinking on their feet i guess:rolleyes:

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28 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

A quarter of a century, or more, and still no examples of anything they mention.

For example, the ability to just appear in front of an airliner has other applications.

you mean no examples that you wont do your best to squirm out of.

there are tons of reports out there.  you just don't acknowledge them

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22 minutes ago, Trelane said:

Some people have a tough time accepting that the savior aliens haven't been here. Or any aliens for that matter...

I don't have a tough time with it at all.  I know they've been here.  very simple.

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I just learned that Tomkpins died. He was active until 94. May we all live that long and well. (I regret misspelling his name so many times).

He died the day I was out with millions of other people watching the solar eclipse in 2017.

So here is my conspiracy theory. The Nordics fed up with Tompkins revealing their plans and formed an alliance briefly with the Reptilians to assassinate Tompkins before he could reveal the juicy details he has been making people salivate about. They used the solar eclipse day so that his death notice would be swamped by the news of jubilation from across the nation about clear skies (except southern Illinois) across the path of totality. The one spot where it was stormy could not  be cleared due to the energy vortex of a Zeta Reticulan base.

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I am convinced that ET's visit us, and space-time bending is the way to travel the distance.

All secret projects are aimed at harnessing something that the military believe exists.

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Just now, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

you mean no examples that you wont do your best to squirm out of.

there are tons of reports out there.  you just don't acknowledge them

No, I don't mean that. I mean exactly what I said.

Is there a person in, say in the USA, whose safety may be paramount above all others?  Why aren't they transported by just appearing wherever they are meant to be?  For that matter, if you're such a master of matter, why is there still an energy crisis?

There's also conflict about what he said on erroneous equations.  Since 1993 there have been some 56 winners of the Fields Medal and Nobel Prize for Physics.  Surely, the corrections would be public.

The sending ET home was Rich's favourite joke.

https://noriohayakawa.wordpress.com/2016/07/01/ben-rich-erroneously-misquoted-by-the-ufo-community/

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20 minutes ago, stereologist said:

False. Eyewitness testimony is not the base of any fact. Another false statement is that it has to happen to someone for it to exist.

let em boil in their own fantasy juice.... it's not your fault or mine that folk like this just don't get it!! logic, rational thinking & basic common sense WILL always rule= this is the crux of our existence on this planet--- not faith & belief:sleepy:

 faith & belief in the weird & wonderful did not invent antibiotics, as one of many examples;)

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7 minutes ago, acute said:

I am convinced that ET's visit us, and space-time bending is the way to travel the distance.

All secret projects are aimed at harnessing something that the military believe exists.

what do you mean <believe>?? according to folk like your good self they <know> for a fact

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Someone sees a UFO and everyone wants to get on the bandwagon, Sure I saw one too. Who wants to be left out in all of the fun of the camaraderie of seeing something special.

Back in 1938 the War of the Worlds broadcast had a small audience. Welles was a fabulous voice actor, but eclipsed by the Chase and Sanborn hour. His marvelous ideas for theater led him to create show that sounded real. we have that today, but he was a driving force for creative endeavors. Few people heard the broadcast, but soon everyone seemed to have been in on it. Everyone heard it - well, not really.

Pretty soon we have all sorts of people so comfortable with the idea of aliens that they are certain they are here. They say they know when all they are doing is imagining them here, They believe and I'm sure they do believe. Do they know? Not really. Some people pretend to know so that they can pretend some condescending attitude. It gives them some silly notion of being superior, by being in the know. But they aren't. They are just stooges fooled by conmen.

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13 minutes ago, acute said:

I am convinced that ET's visit us, and space-time bending is the way to travel the distance.

All secret projects are aimed at harnessing something that the military believe exists.

 

4 minutes ago, Dejarma said:

what do you mean <believe>?? according to folk like your good self they <know> for a fact

Did you mean to reply to someone else?  I never used the word 'believe'.

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6 minutes ago, acute said:

 

Did you mean to reply to someone else?  I never used the word 'believe'.

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All secret projects are aimed at harnessing something that the military believe exists.

yeah you're right! my bad, sorry= i'm old so forgive me

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6 hours ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

I don't have a tough time with it at all.  I know they've been here.  very simple.

What can you provide to back this up?

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7 hours ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

there are tons of reports out there. 

How many persons on Earth and per year have claimed to have seen Elvis after 16.08.1977? Lets say, 2k per year. So we have roughly 84k ("tons of") reports of Elvis been alive, means, Elvis isnt dead, right?

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13 hours ago, Mystify said:

 And yes... Nazi's had access to UFO technology before we did and also entered an alliance with some of the black hats.

If the Nazi's had access to UFO technology, why did they lose the war ?

Why did the aliens give the technology to the Germans ?

Does this mean that the aliens were Nazi sympathizers ? 

I never really get this need to make the Nazi's more advanced than they were. They were advanced in some areas, but in other areas the allies were more advanced. 

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On 2019-01-23 at 2:25 PM, Nnicolette said:

This is news? I remember in the 90s when they were allowed to have real news and there was a clip showcasing the new invisibilty cloak a soldier was using. Now 25 years later its news? I have been trying to tell people about thier frequency technology and patents for it here for a while you guys are going to see i wasnt lying and they have been testing them on unsuspecting members of the public as well.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/09/05/wow.tech.black.world/

It’s been going on for awhile ...

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38 minutes ago, Scudbuster said:

Please elaborate a bit - 

I thought I did.

I have seen what your views are of the UFO phenomenon. You make claims of vast conspirators and plots to hide "the truth" with the same rehashed quotes that have been debunked.

I could post links and such, and yet I know you would vehemently disagree. I think we just shake hands and agree to disagree.:tu:

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20 hours ago, Scudbuster said:

Hey, forget some of these characters in here, all that counts is what numerous prominent people - you know, people who have actual knowledge of the subject, and what they have to say: 

Lockheed's Ben Rich: 
 
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You provided no links. Possible copyright violation. Would you mind providing links for all of that copy and paste.

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18 minutes ago, Scudbuster said:

Ah, no - none of those quotes has ever been "debunked" as you claim. That's why I was asking, to see your response. 

So -  it stands that people involved in these various scientific and military establishments have made statements that stand -  to this day. 

Or, you could look at post #88 in this thread.

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Seems that Scudbuster is going to places that misquote Ben Rich.

https://noriohayakawa.wordpress.com/2016/07/01/ben-rich-erroneously-misquoted-by-the-ufo-community/

Not sure where they go the quotes, but they need to be checked out.

Here is another post about the misquoting of Ben Rich.

http://www.blueblurrylines.com/2014/10/ben-rich-area-51-taking-et-home.html

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1 hour ago, Scudbuster said:

Ah, no - none of those quotes has ever been "debunked" as you claim. That's why I was asking, to see your response. 

So -  it stands that people involved in these various scientific and military establishments have made statements that stand -  to this day. 

Ah yes, they certainly have. Some have been the topic and basis for investigations conducted and nothing ever came of them. Who do place the most faith in their statement and I will address that one.

I just choose not quibble with you and hijack the thread. I've only been in these forums proper for a little over a year and too many times I see threads get derailed with the childish back forth garbage.

I'm in the military, I have been for over 24 years now.  I can honestly tell you there are no aliens, spacecraft or alien technology being used or developed. To the untrained eye some of the experimental equipment may seem as such. But no X-Files or Independence Day stuff going on.

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