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Trump surrenders to Democrats

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Dredimus
15 hours ago, Farmer77 said:

The topic at hand, the most important topic facing America, is the erosion of truth and the creation of alternate realities.   If you cant acknowledge the reality that the man you are supporting is actively working to destroy that fundamental necessity for a society then of course you feel belittled. I definitely understand why you would feel that was an attack but its truly not.

This is a good sentiment. Its almost impossible to take seriously from anyone who supports Trump but it is a good sentiment.

I will add however that if you don't know the facts surrounding an issue, or insist in believing alternative facts,  your feelings are irrelevant or probably more appropriate when formulating feelings based on propaganda those feelings are likely to actually be harmful for yourself and community.

No, the direct topic at hand is illegal immigration... just because you want to try to change the narrative to something that fits your attitude doesn't mean it just works that way.

Lets talk about the facts... the facts that I have posted and backed up have done nothing for you, you choose to ignore them because it doesn't fit your narrative. All you do is spew half hearted insults towards the administration and call them facts on your end, it doesn't work that way either. You've provided nothing in the way of actual conversation... honestly you've not provided anything constructive to this discussion, though you've been called on it several times. In the first and only link you posted your own narrative was destroyed by the link itself once one did a bit more reading into the article... and then you spent several post trying to refute the federal numbers in El Paso based on a word you didn't like. Btw... El Paso is one area... out of so many listed... why choose to focus on one word you didn't like over one city? No flaw with the rest mentioned that you could exploit?

 

If you want CHANGE.. you DISCUSS Change. You solidify a new angle and move forward with those that agree the change is necessary... you compromise on the best ways to enact that change. You are apparently incapable of taking the first step, much less the next. Like I said in a previous post, its the reason I stopped posting here before. Everyone wants to argue, no one wants to talk. So blinded by your own narrative that nothing else matters.

If and when you are prepared to have a discussion on the matter, and toss around actual ideas, feel free to hit me up. I think you will find the entire exercise to be a bit uplifting and gratifying.

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Farmer77
14 minutes ago, Dredimus said:

you want CHANGE.. you DISCUSS Change. You solidify a new angle and move forward with those that agree the change is necessary... you compromise on the best ways to enact that change. You are apparently incapable of taking the first step, much less the next. Like I said in a previous post, its the reason I stopped posting here before. Everyone wants to argue, no one wants to talk. So blinded by your own narrative that nothing else matters.

If and when you are prepared to have a discussion on the matter, and toss around actual ideas, feel free to hit me up. I think you will find the entire exercise to be a bit uplifting and gratifying.

LOL bro, you arent going to gaslight me just stop :lol:.

Stop pretending that you want to actually discuss the issues, you dont. Folks that actually want to talk about issues dont support people who lie about them and they certainly dont help spread those lies themselves.

If you honestly dont know, gaslighting is the technique youre using here. Its a somewhat classic move but rather transparent and empty at this point.

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Dredimus
11 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

LOL bro, you arent going to gaslight me just stop :lol:.

Stop pretending that you want to actually discuss the issues, you dont. Folks that actually want to talk about issues dont support people who lie about them and they certainly dont help spread those lies themselves.

If you honestly dont know, gaslighting is the technique youre using here. Its a somewhat classic move but rather transparent and empty at this point.

gas·light

Dictionary result for gaslight

/ˈɡaslīt/
verb
gerund or present participle: gaslighting
  1. manipulate (someone) by psychological means into questioning their own sanity.

 

So... some one asking you to have an actual discussion is now Gaslighting? What a handy little tool of escape. Some one has a difference of opinion, just accuse them of gaslighting and move on... got it.

 

    Now, lets talk about gaslighting then... which is what you have done this entire conversation. You have accused not only the the administration of lying repeatedly, but said that anyone that supports the administration for any reason is a liar as well... literally trying to make anyone that supports a narrative other than your own question their own motives. So, you do it repeatedly and when some one isn't stopped by your tactic you accuse them of doing what you are actually doing... how quaint.

Don't worry, Just don't reply to my post anymore, its that easy. Like I said, if you want to have an actual discussion, please feel free to hit me up any time. Otherwise... just leave me be. I wont be buying in to your bait tactics.

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DieChecker
6 hours ago, RoofGardener said:

Link seems like it wants to say....

"People are DYING...!!"

"oh, and walls work..."

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DieChecker
3 hours ago, Farmer77 said:

True enough. But, unless it gets fixed... It's hypocrisy to wail about one person doing it and greedily accept the works of another.

I'll admit to being a hypocrite... will you? 

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Farmer77
4 minutes ago, Dredimus said:

Don't worry, Just don't reply to my post anymore, its that easy. Like I said, if you want to have an actual discussion, please feel free to hit me up any time. Otherwise... just leave me be. I wont be buying in to your bait tactics.

Nahhh its not that easy. When I see you or any other Clintonite er I mean Trumpian post bull im gonna post the facts :tu:

 

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Dredimus
Just now, Farmer77 said:

Nahhh its not that easy. When I see you or any other Clintonite er I mean Trumpian post bull im gonna post the facts :tu:

 

Then post some facts, something you have yet to do.

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Farmer77
Just now, DieChecker said:

True enough. But, unless it gets fixed... It's hypocrisy to wail about one person doing it and greedily accept the works of another.

I'll admit to being a hypocrite... will you? 

I absolutely will.....just not in this case but thats because I wasnt an Obama supporter.....though in hindsight it seems to be a case of not knowing how good something is until its gone :lol:

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DieChecker
5 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

Walls work not as good Part#3:

If a Wall is built in the desert and on one ever sees it, is it still a Wall?

If it stops what it was meant to stop. It's all good.

The exception being if the wall is a "tiger talisman", which is a talisman you wear to keep the tigers away, and the proof is that every day you aren't attacked by tigers.

The problem with that regarding a Wall in the desert, is we know for fact that people are traveling the mountains and deserts. The Border patrol finds their bodies pretty regularly. As well as their trash, footprints, body wastes....

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DieChecker
16 hours ago, Farmer77 said:

The topic at hand, the most important topic facing America, is the erosion of truth and the creation of alternate realities.  

This reminds me of the New Green Deal. And Medicare for All....

Topics that are chiefly political in nature and based on fringe ideas that have no real basis in modern US reality. 

The erosion of Truth wasn't an issue for the Presidency of Bill Clinton or Barack Obama... Yet now it is?

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DieChecker
4 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

I absolutely will.....just not in this case but thats because I wasnt an Obama supporter.....though in hindsight it seems to be a case of not knowing how good something is until its gone :lol:

Respect coming your way. :tu:

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Farmer77
5 minutes ago, DieChecker said:

The erosion of Truth wasn't an issue for the Presidency of Bill Clinton or Barack Obama... Yet now it is?

No it wholly was. Thats why I said earlier that its debatable how much Trump is the source vs simply being the one to have reached an unbefore seen level of mastery at it.

Its also part of why Trump supporters make me lose my mind. Its like DUDE i was here with you when you screamed for months and years about Clinton lying WTF!?!?!?! LOL 

Edit to add that I was screaming with them and maybe I feel a little betrayed

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DieChecker
1 minute ago, Farmer77 said:

No it wholly was. Thats why I said earlier that its debatable how much Trump is the source vs simply being the one to have reached an unbefore seen level of mastery at it.

Its also part of why Trump supporters make me lose my mind. Its like DUDE i was here with you when you screamed for months and years about Clinton lying WTF!?!?!?! LOL 

Ha! Well, hopefully the NEXT guy won't be a Liar... Sure.. Like that's going to happen.

 

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Gromdor
Just now, DieChecker said:

Ha! Well, hopefully the NEXT guy won't be a Liar... Sure.. Like that's going to happen.

 

It won't if we keep giving liars passes.

 

 

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DieChecker
16 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

It won't if we keep giving liars passes.

True. But, I've never met/read about/heard of a politician who wasn't a liar to some degree. 

We'd need to completely tear down who is in office (everyone just about) and implement some kind of totalitarian purge, complete with several ways of detecting liars, and then removing them from politics somehow.

Like I said... Sure, like that's going to happen...

I don't think the existing government would allow Anti-Liar reform if it had any real chops to it. Criminals won't vote to criminalize themselves.

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Gromdor
11 minutes ago, DieChecker said:

True. But, I've never met/read about/heard of a politician who wasn't a liar to some degree. 

We'd need to completely tear down who is in office (everyone just about) and implement some kind of totalitarian purge, complete with several ways of detecting liars, and then removing them from politics somehow.

Like I said... Sure, like that's going to happen...

I don't think the existing government would allow Anti-Liar reform if it had any real chops to it. Criminals won't vote to criminalize themselves.

In this current climate, I think we reward them.

Look at what is going on in Virginia.  Normally, those guys would resign (particularly the governor).  But with the public passiveness with what has occurred in the past, I honestly think that they won't.  Why?  Because it's for a single term and they don't care.  You can't touch them.

It's gotten to the point where even if caught in a lie or scandal, they shrug their shoulders and just ignore it.  Executive privilege, immunity to criminal indictments, and the ability to create laws to legalize their own unethical behavior.  Not to mention pardon powers. 

That being said, I think we need something along the lines of a permanent special counsel who's sole mandate is to combat corruption and unethical behaviour.  Something along the lines of the White House ethics office, but with real teeth and greater jurisdiction.

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Careful_perspective
3 hours ago, Farmer77 said:

LOL bro, you arent going to gaslight me just stop :lol:.

Stop pretending that you want to actually discuss the issues, you dont. Folks that actually want to talk about issues dont support people who lie about them and they certainly dont help spread those lies themselves.

If you honestly dont know, gaslighting is the technique youre using here. Its a somewhat classic move but rather transparent and empty at this point.

You are being gaslighted? Exposure to words on a forum that you don't agree with is gaslighting? Oh my. I can't even wrap my head around this.

 

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Aquila King
8 hours ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Jesus dude, I can think of half a dozen things wrong with America that are more important than “the media lies” and “people think they have a right to their own version of reality”.

And I'm almost certain that those dozen things you think of are in large part due to people ignoring facts in favor of their own version of reality.

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Aquila King
3 hours ago, Farmer77 said:

Its also part of why Trump supporters make me lose my mind. Its like DUDE i was here with you when you screamed for months and years about Clinton lying WTF!?!?!?! LOL 

Well put. Practically every thing they defend Trump on is what they previously attacked Hillary/Obama/InsertDemocratHere on as well. Its not just the brazen lies that bug me, it's the brazen hypocrisy.

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ellapenella
On 2/4/2019 at 3:37 PM, Captain Risky said:

More power to Trump if he can find a loophole for his wall. 

Yeah but it's not just his wall, why do people say that? It's needed for our National Security. Obviously it's  a problem for our Nation to maintain such an open border along with a set of  ridiculous asylum laws. Who's manufactured that loophole & why? 

 

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Sir Smoke aLot

I just follow Stephen Colbert for updates. One about ''art of deal making'' was so relaxing :D

It was like he got 1.6 billion offer which he rejected&shut down government. Then he got lower offer and said yes :D 

[edit] or maybe Stephen is just silly entertainer so he spins everything, i would not know.

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RavenHawk
3 hours ago, Sir Smoke aLot said:

I just follow Stephen Colbert for updates. One about ''art of deal making'' was so relaxing :D

It was like he got 1.6 billion offer which he rejected&shut down government. Then he got lower offer and said yes :D 

[edit] or maybe Stephen is just silly entertainer so he spins everything, i would not know.

Colbert is an idiot, but he may have touched on something.  Through all of this shutdown and negotiations, Trump has been gaging the Progs and public opinion, etc.  I wonder what the likelihood is that he’ll sign the deal and then declare a national emergency to allocate the rest of the monies for the wall that he wanted.  How can a judge then put a hold on that after the Progs just OK’d the wall?  That would mess with the Progs so much, they won’t know which way to go.  That is very weak grounds for an injunction.  Trump could then fast track to the Supreme Court if it gets that far, the SC will find for the President on Constitutional grounds.  But Trump could build the wall without declaring a national emergency by just using 10 USC 284.  I think people are too wrapped up with this $5billion figure.  The wall will get built and I think Trump has been playing with the Progs.  It will make them inept, more so than they are anyway.

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CrimsonKing
57 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

Colbert is an idiot, but he may have touched on something.  Through all of this shutdown and negotiations, Trump has been gaging the Progs and public opinion, etc.  I wonder what the likelihood is that he’ll sign the deal and then declare a national emergency to allocate the rest of the monies for the wall that he wanted.  How can a judge then put a hold on that after the Progs just OK’d the wall?  That would mess with the Progs so much, they won’t know which way to go.  That is very weak grounds for an injunction.  Trump could then fast track to the Supreme Court if it gets that far, the SC will find for the President on Constitutional grounds.  But Trump could build the wall without declaring a national emergency by just using 10 USC 284.  I think people are too wrapped up with this $5billion figure.  The wall will get built and I think Trump has been playing with the Progs.  It will make them inept, more so than they are anyway.

 

Well Trump is the one who's been stumbling and bumbling through all this...

Gonna make Mexico pay for it,$25 Billion for the big beautiful wall,ok $5 billion for the wall or i'll shut it back down,1.3 billion and i might declare a state of emergency...

He's not showing the "Great Deal Maker" he was thought to be...

He's backed up every time!

 

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ellapenella
21 minutes ago, CrimsonKing said:

Well Trump is the one who's been stumbling and bumbling through all this...

Gonna make Mexico pay for it,$25 Billion for the big beautiful wall,ok $5 billion for the wall or i'll shut it back down,1.3 billion and i might declare a state of emergency...

He's not showing the "Great Deal Maker" he was thought to be...

He's backed up every time!

 

The never Trumpers are to  blame. 

Saying  Mexico will pay for it had something to do with NAFTA . 

I wouldn't  underestimate him , the wall is being built regardless even as we speak.

I see it differently, I see it as  he's trying to get the country to run the way it's suppose to, the government is suppose to work together.Have you noticed what he has to work with? He's trying to do the right thing.

 

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