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Zero crime by asylum seekers in Finland

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Finnish police have been instructed NOT to report (to the media) the asylum status of anyone arrested for a crime. So - for example - they can't say "Mahmoud Mohammed - an asylum seeker - was arrested for Carrot Smuggling in Helsinki yesterday"

http://tundratabloids.com/2019/01/finland-police-banned-from-telling-about-crimes-of-asylum-seekers/

One wonders why this is the case ? Could the government be embarrassed - or even nervous of public reaction to - too many examples of asylum criminality ? 

That would suggest that asylum criminality IS a problem in Finland ? Or somebody anticipates that it may become so ? But rather than do something about it, they just want to make sure nobody KNOWS about it ! 

Excellent. A major result for law and order. 

 

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They must fear a new "Denmark" or a new "Sweden", where xenophobia and political chaos is the new normal .

In Denmark the government is practically controlled by the right wing nationalist Danish People's Party, and in Sweden there's political chaos, because the right wing nationalists in the Sweden Democrats are being excluded by all the other parties, and thereby ignoring 17,6% of the voters, making it next to impossible to form a sustainable government.

"Hear no evil" seems to be their approach to avoid xenophobia. It will fail miserably!

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RoofGardener
17 minutes ago, sci-nerd said:

They must fear a new "Denmark" or a new "Sweden", where xenophobia and political chaos is the new normal .

In Denmark the government is practically controlled by the right wing nationalist Danish People's Party, and in Sweden there's political chaos, because the right wing nationalists in the Sweden Democrats are being excluded by all the other parties, and thereby ignoring 17,6% of the voters, making it next to impossible to form a sustainable government.

"Hear no evil" seems to be their approach to avoid xenophobia. It will fail miserably!

I fear you are correct sci-nerd. However, I fear it is not "xenophobia", which is an irrational fear of strangers, but in many ways an entirely rational concern. 

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sci-nerd
1 minute ago, RoofGardener said:

I fear you are correct sci-nerd. However, I fear it is not "xenophobia", which is an irrational fear of strangers, but in many ways an entirely rational concern. 

You are partly right. I have the concerns you talk about, but I don't see muslims in general as a threat. However, there is a large part of the population in my country, who do. They consider being a muslim as the main problem, and the solution to them is to kick each and every muslim out, ASAP.

These people set the agenda in Denmark these days, and they totally ignore the many thousands of muslims who live law abiding, work hard and pay their taxes.

The latest chapter in Danish "xenophobia" is to place rejected and criminal asylum seekers on a remote island. Yes, you read it correct. It has already been decided!

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seanjo
51 minutes ago, sci-nerd said:

They must fear a new "Denmark" or a new "Sweden", where xenophobia and political chaos is the new normal .

In Denmark the government is practically controlled by the right wing nationalist Danish People's Party, and in Sweden there's political chaos, because the right wing nationalists in the Sweden Democrats are being excluded by all the other parties, and thereby ignoring 17,6% of the voters, making it next to impossible to form a sustainable government.

"Hear no evil" seems to be their approach to avoid xenophobia. It will fail miserably!

It's not xenophobia, it's common sense, you can't put two (or more) completely different cultures and beliefs together and expect good results.

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sci-nerd
7 minutes ago, seanjo said:

It's not xenophobia, it's common sense, you can't put two (or more) completely different cultures and beliefs together and expect good results.

Then, why does the large majority of muslims in the west, live peacefully among us, paying their taxes, by doing our hard/dirty work? The US is one big cultural melting pot, and their biggest problems right now is Trump/Russia and unemployment - not racial issues.
Agreed, they had their share in the recent past, but it's gotten a lot better. It seems there's an adaption period when cultures assimilate with each other, where things get ugly, but we can't rewind the world. The mixing is here to stay.

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37 minutes ago, sci-nerd said:

Then, why does the large majority of muslims in the west, live peacefully among us, paying their taxes, by doing our hard/dirty work? The US is one big cultural melting pot, and their biggest problems right now is Trump/Russia and unemployment - not racial issues.
Agreed, they had their share in the recent past, but it's gotten a lot better. It seems there's an adaption period when cultures assimilate with each other, where things get ugly, but we can't rewind the world. The mixing is here to stay.

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Not true any longer.  Far more frequently we have immigrants who bring their culture and isolate themselves within it, not attempting to learn the national language or even be educated in it.  Look anywhere that Muslims predominate in a city.  

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1 minute ago, and then said:

Not true any longer.  Far more frequently we have immigrants who bring their culture and isolate themselves within it, not attempting to learn the national language or even be educated in it.  Look anywhere that Muslims predominate in a city.  

That's actually true. In the first generation or two. But once the third generation arrives, almost all of them are assimilated. Religion becomes more a custom than a commitment. Friends are naturally found among the natives, even spouses for many. Slowly the mindset of the original immigrants gets replaced by the common contemporary.
It's called natural adaption. It's what we humans do best.

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seanjo
1 hour ago, sci-nerd said:

Then, why does the large majority of muslims in the west, live peacefully among us, paying their taxes, by doing our hard/dirty work? The US is one big cultural melting pot, and their biggest problems right now is Trump/Russia and unemployment - not racial issues.
Agreed, they had their share in the recent past, but it's gotten a lot better. It seems there's an adaption period when cultures assimilate with each other, where things get ugly, but we can't rewind the world. The mixing is here to stay.

When they get a majority watch the shift in attitude. A poll a couple of years back in the UK showed that 80% of young Moslems believed Homosexuality should be illegal. If you think these people have integrated or are happy with Western culture you're being naive.

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sci-nerd
9 minutes ago, seanjo said:

When they get a majority

They will never.

9 minutes ago, seanjo said:

A poll a couple of years back in the UK showed that 80% of young Moslems

They are second generation. Those tend to react to racism by seeking their roots. So in short, we create our own problems.

But in 20 years or so, you can make the same poll, and get a very different result. History proves me right.

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5 minutes ago, sci-nerd said:

 

They are second generation. Those tend to react to racism by seeking their roots. So in short, we create our own problems.

But in 20 years or so, you can make the same poll, and get a very different result. History proves me right.

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History proves that a slow drip of people integrating is good, but a mass exodus, which is what is happening now, destroys the culture of the foster country unless it takes precautions. You're defending the road to war.

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5 minutes ago, sci-nerd said:

They will never.

 

Really, have a look at the growth rate. In the UK it's been estimated the Moslem population could be the voting majority by 2050...

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sci-nerd
6 minutes ago, seanjo said:

History proves that a slow drip of people integrating is good, but a mass exodus, which is what is happening now, destroys the culture of the foster country unless it takes precautions. You're defending the road to war.

4 minutes ago, seanjo said:

Really, have a look at the growth rate. In the UK it's been estimated the Moslem population could be the voting majority by 2050...

Precautions are made. At least in my country (maybe a bit too excessive). Can't talk for yours. If not, you better start.

Don't worry. People will always prefer order and freedom. They only revolt if you discriminate them.

 

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seanjo
1 minute ago, sci-nerd said:

Precautions are made. At least in my country (maybe a bit too excessive). Can't talk for yours. If not, you better start.

Don't worry. People will always prefer order and freedom. They only revolt if you discriminate them.

 

What precautions? And why would you need precautions if there is no problem, no threat, no danger?

 

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sci-nerd
3 minutes ago, seanjo said:

What precautions?

Not allowing them to make parallel societies, to solely raise their own children, to allow hate speech in their mosques. There are many ways to legally force people to assimilate.

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seanjo
10 minutes ago, sci-nerd said:

Not allowing them to make parallel societies, to solely raise their own children, to allow hate speech in their mosques. There are many ways to legally force people to assimilate.

Really, let me ask you, are there Moslem enclaves in populous areas or are all Moslems spread out equally amongst the population of their area? Are there private Moslem schools in your country? If you think hate speech isn't being preached without consequences, you haven't watched the Covington Catholic boys being racially abused by the Black Israelite Hebrews.

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6 hours ago, sci-nerd said:

That's actually true. In the first generation or two. But once the third generation arrives, almost all of them are assimilated. Religion becomes more a custom than a commitment. Friends are naturally found among the natives, even spouses for many. Slowly the mindset of the original immigrants gets replaced by the common contemporary.
It's called natural adaption. It's what we humans do best.

You need to look a little more closely into Muslim neighborhoods in Europe today.  Exactly the opposite is occurring.  It is the youth who are most likely to be radicalized.  Check it out.

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spartan max2
7 hours ago, sci-nerd said:

Then, why does the large majority of muslims in the west, live peacefully among us, paying their taxes, by doing our hard/dirty work? The US is one big cultural melting pot, and their biggest problems right now is Trump/Russia and unemployment - not racial issues.
Agreed, they had their share in the recent past, but it's gotten a lot better. It seems there's an adaption period when cultures assimilate with each other, where things get ugly, but we can't rewind the world. The mixing is here to stay.

Just want to point out that our current unemployment is 3.9 percent, the lowest it has been in 50 years.

That's all I wanted to add to this discussion lol. Carry on.

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Impedancer
11 hours ago, sci-nerd said:

They must fear a new "Denmark" or a new "Sweden", where xenophobia and political chaos is the new normal .

In Denmark the government is practically controlled by the right wing nationalist Danish People's Party, and in Sweden there's political chaos, because the right wing nationalists in the Sweden Democrats are being excluded by all the other parties, and thereby ignoring 17,6% of the voters, making it next to impossible to form a sustainable government.

"Hear no evil" seems to be their approach to avoid xenophobia. It will fail miserably!

Finland has very few asylum seekers since they let very few in, i think they are doing the right thing not to report if they are asylum seekers since we are all treated equally by the law this does not matter.

Sweden have now formed a new goverment, the reason why they want to exclude the swedish democrats is because they are a right wing party founded by two former SS veterans and you dont have to be a rocket scientist to figure out their political agenda.  Their party leader or fhurer Jimmy Akeson looks like some sort of slimy nonconformist pastor.

https://goo.gl/images/7FX2BV

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RoofGardener
12 hours ago, sci-nerd said:

.....The latest chapter in Danish "xenophobia" is to place rejected and criminal asylum seekers on a remote island. Yes, you read it correct. It has already been decided!

A remote Island ? Excellent. 

Wait......NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO... not the UK ? :o 

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Farmer77
16 hours ago, RoofGardener said:

One wonders why this is the case ? Could the government be embarrassed - or even nervous of public reaction to - too many examples of asylum criminality ? 

Idiots are why thats the case. They are currently sitting like vultures waiting for any form of headline they can plausibly legally get away with running to spin as some purported evidence that their race is better and under attack from the lessors. 

From your link:

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The guidelines also cover the risks associated with the current situation: radicalization of the population or asylum seekers, the spread of racism and the erosion of public order and security. One of the risks is also the attitude of the police department’s own staff towards increasing workload and possible negative opinions on asylum seekers.

Its really bizarre that such behaviors have become a global phenomenon in such a short amount of time. Its almost like it was being done intentionally by someone who would benefit from such division in western nations.........

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16 hours ago, RoofGardener said:

Finnish police have been instructed NOT to report (to the media) the asylum status of anyone arrested for a crime. So - for example - they can't say "Mahmoud Mohammed - an asylum seeker - was arrested for Carrot Smuggling in Helsinki yesterday"

http://tundratabloids.com/2019/01/finland-police-banned-from-telling-about-crimes-of-asylum-seekers/

One wonders why this is the case ? Could the government be embarrassed - or even nervous of public reaction to - too many examples of asylum criminality ? 

That would suggest that asylum criminality IS a problem in Finland ? Or somebody anticipates that it may become so ? But rather than do something about it, they just want to make sure nobody KNOWS about it ! 

Excellent. A major result for law and order. 

 

You cant take people from a warzone where they have learned to kill and steal in order to survive and expect them to just slip back into society like nothing happened. Of course they are going to commit crimes, wherever they go. They have already crossed that boundary so arent held back by it anymore.

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Farmer77
16 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said:

You cant take people from a warzone where they have learned to kill and steal in order to survive and expect them to just slip back into society like nothing happened. Of course they are going to commit crimes, wherever they go. They have already crossed that boundary so arent held back by it anymore.

I use that same argument against ex-military becoming police officers.

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RoofGardener
5 hours ago, Farmer77 said:

Idiots are why thats the case. They are currently sitting like vultures waiting for any form of headline they can plausibly legally get away with running to spin as some purported evidence that their race is better and under attack from the lessors. 

From your link:

Its really bizarre that such behaviors have become a global phenomenon in such a short amount of time. Its almost like it was being done intentionally by someone who would benefit from such division in western nations.........

And yet... curiously.. every single European nation has recorded significant crime rates due to Immigrants from muslim nations. 

I guess there are two responses to this. 

  1. Analyse the real results, and inform policy accordingly
  2. Hide it from the public and hope nobody notices. 

Which option do YOU favour, Farmer77 ? 

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RoofGardener
5 hours ago, RabidMongoose said:

You cant take people from a warzone where they have learned to kill and steal in order to survive and expect them to just slip back into society like nothing happened. Of course they are going to commit crimes, wherever they go. They have already crossed that boundary so arent held back by it anymore.

Fair enough RabidMongoose. 

So you admit that the unregulated acceptance of immigrants is likely to endanger the native population ? 

Jolly good. 

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