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Doing God's will.

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Will Due
1 minute ago, Jodie.Lynne said:

How, exactly, do our genes interact with our environment, and how do our genes determine what we learn, or can know?

 

Obviously, it's through the spiritual component. It kinda proves it.

 

 

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Stubbly_Dooright
1 minute ago, Will Due said:

 

No you're not. 

It isn't God's will.

 

 

How would you know, since you haven’t shown how anyone would know.

 And, you haven’t proven a thing. 

I am done!

That’s my will! 

Bye :st 

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Will Due
Just now, Stubbly_Dooright said:

And, you haven’t proven a thing. 

 

Yes I have. You've done it for me. 

 

 

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XenoFish

Since god can not be prove to exist or not exist. Then it is impossible for something to be "god's will". Since that would mean actual proof of god's existence. So the supposed "will of god" is just a belief in what people think is god's will, when it really is just their will. So this whole thread was started on an absurd premise.

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Jodie.Lynne
4 minutes ago, Stubbly_Dooright said:

How would you know, since you haven’t shown how anyone would know.

 And, you haven’t proven a thing. 

I am done!

That’s my will! 

Bye :st 

I've been debating putting the twit on ignore. For the same reason I have others on iggy: Nothing of value to read.

IDK why I don't.

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Will Due
1 minute ago, Jodie.Lynne said:

I've been debating putting the twit on ignore. For the same reason I have others on iggy: Nothing of value to read.

IDK why I don't.

 

You've always been ignoring.

It's what the ignorant do. 

 

Spoiler

Just kidding ok? Don't get excited.

 

 

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Horta
Just now, Jodie.Lynne said:

Obviously there is a physical component that is concomitant with our psyche/consciousness, since we know of no consciousness without a physical frame.

Good.

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How, exactly, do our genes interact with our environment, and how do our genes determine what we learn, or can know?

Our genes are the blueprint for our physical bodies. That includes our nervous system. The reason why not all of us are elite athletes. I'm not saying formative influences have no effect, they do and are are important in forming neural pathways. Though no amount of behavioural influence will make someone with an 80 IQ become a genius. It won't stop a susceptible person from developing schizophrenia in adolescence. It's why twins who share the same environment can be behaviourally and intellectually very different people also.

Though the whole point in the original post you responded to, was that the psyche is derived from a physical system that underneath it all it is bound to the principles of physics. 

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XenoFish

To be honest with you Will. It is extremely rare that you bring any value to a thread. Most of the time you are for the most part junk posting. When you actually do discuss things with us it's a welcomed change. But I can't help but feel that the only intentions you have here are to troll people. 

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Horta
16 minutes ago, Jodie.Lynne said:

Obviously there is a physical component that is concomitant with our psyche/consciousness, since we know of no consciousness without a physical frame.

You are implying here that our psyche has a non physical component? Care to explain how and why you would know that?

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Will Due
Just now, XenoFish said:

To be honest with you Will. It is extremely rare that you bring any value to a thread. Most of the time you are for the most part junk posting. When you actually do discuss things with us it's a welcomed change. But I can't help but feel that the only intentions you have here are to troll people. 

 

Lighten up Xeno. I'm just having a little fun right now. I haven't had a vacation since 1979.

 

 

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Jodie.Lynne
1 minute ago, Horta said:

Though the whole point in the original post you responded to, was that the psyche is derived from a physical system that underneath it all it is bound to the principles of physics. 

OK, I understand how a sub-standard mental ability will limit a persons education.

i.e., a person with an IQ of 80, will never be a mission controller for NASA.

However, I think my confusion resulted from your fiat statement that 'genes interact with our environment'. 

For example, I am considered to be rather intelligent by friends and family. My parents were both blue collar workers, who had never finished high school. By your argument, I should be no more than a blue collar worker, with limited schooling.

 

Or am I misunderstanding your premise?

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XenoFish
1 minute ago, Will Due said:

 

Lighten up Xeno. I'm just having a little fun right now. I haven't had a vacation since 1979.

I don't see where that's my problem. I'm going to be honest with you. Ever since you became a member of this forum you have been highly evasive. Then you got into a group that basically harassed the whole forum and you were right there with them. Even now you still use fortune cookie talk and can't seem to give a direct answer to anything. It seems to me that more and more of us are putting you on ignore. The reason may vary, but I'm pretty certain it all has to do with how you've chosen to interact with us. 

I barely have a reason to bother, as I know it will be pointless. Good luck Will. Count me among those who've added you to their list.

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Jodie.Lynne
6 minutes ago, Horta said:

You are implying here that our psyche has a non physical component? Care to explain how and why you would know that?

How did you deduce that, from my post?

As I thought I stated clearly, there IS a physical component to consciousness & intelligence, since there is NO evidence of a non-corporeal intelligence.

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XenoFish
4 minutes ago, Jodie.Lynne said:

i.e., a person with an IQ of 80, will never be a mission controller for NASA.

https://bigthink.com/in-their-own-words/intelligence-is-not-static-its-a-set-of-skills-that-we-acquire

Don't bet on that. 

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XenoFish

We also have to consider neuroplasticity.

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Will Due

 

Frankly,  I find it amusing that anyone would think that someone else would be responsible for giving instruction as to how to do God's will.

 

 

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Will Due

 

Doing God's will is like walking. You learn it by trial and error.

 

 

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Horta
2 minutes ago, Jodie.Lynne said:

OK, I understand how a sub-standard mental ability will limit a persons education.

i.e., a person with an IQ of 80, will never be a mission controller for NASA.

However, I think my confusion resulted from your fiat statement that 'genes interact with our environment'. 

For example, I am considered to be rather intelligent by friends and family. My parents were both blue collar workers, who had never finished high school. By your argument, I should be no more than a blue collar worker, with limited schooling.

 

Or am I misunderstanding your premise?

Yes, you're misunderstanding.

That someone is a blue collar worker is no necessarily indicative of intelligence anyway. One of the most intelligent people I ever knew finished school at 13.

That's a bit like expecting that gay people can't be derived from straight couples.

Without our genes we wouldn't have a brain to begin with. I don't see the problem in the statement "our psyche is derived from physical processes" or that "we are an expression of our genes". We are, that's our baseline.

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5 minutes ago, Horta said:

Yes, you're misunderstanding.

That someone is a blue collar worker is no necessarily indicative of intelligence anyway. One of the most intelligent people I ever knew finished school at 13.

That's a bit like expecting that gay people can't be derived from straight couples.

Without our genes we wouldn't have a brain to begin with. I don't see the problem in the statement "our psyche is derived from physical processes" or that "we are an expression of our genes". We are, that's our baseline.

OK, I must be stupid then, because I cannot see your point.

 

ETA: And I think you may have invalidated your argument. If our genes control our psyche/consciousness, then a hetero couple could NOT produce a homosexual child, no?

Perhaps if you explained what you mean by "psyche"?

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Horta
17 minutes ago, Jodie.Lynne said:

How did you deduce that, from my post?

As I thought I stated clearly, there IS a physical component to consciousness & intelligence, since there is NO evidence of a non-corporeal intelligence.

The underlined. That there is "a" physical component to our psyche.

That seems to infer there could also be other components, that are non physical.

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11 minutes ago, Jodie.Lynne said:

OK, I must be stupid then, because I cannot see your point.

Lol.

You missed a lot of preceding discussion.

The original point was that, as our psyche is derived from and reliant on physical processes not only in its operation but for it's very existence to begin with, that it is bound (underneath all of the complexity) by physical laws and principles (physics, chemistry) and this leaves no room for "free will" in any meaningful way.

ps. It is causally determined, in other words. But even if it wasn't (and there is no reason to think it isn't), it would be prone to some randomness, which itself can never be willed.

pps. This is a response to Will's claim that we can, of our own "free will", merge this with "Gods will". I don't think he has demonstrated the assumption that we have free will ourselves, to begin with.

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Jodie.Lynne
5 minutes ago, Horta said:

The underlined. That there is "a" physical component to our psyche.

That seems to infer there could also be other components, that are non physical.

Incorrect analysis of my statement. Which should have been made clear by the latter portion of that same post.

How else would you have me say that mental characteristics are only evidenced by physical bodies?

Or can you produce a non-corporeal intelligence?

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Horta
3 minutes ago, Jodie.Lynne said:

Incorrect analysis of my statement. Which should have been made clear by the latter portion of that same post.

How else would you have me say that mental characteristics are only evidenced by physical bodies?

Or can you produce a non-corporeal intelligence?

Fair enough.

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Will Due
47 minutes ago, Horta said:

This is a response to Will's claim that we can, of our own "free will", merge this with "Gods will". 

 

Free will (the power of choice) is not absolute. Nevertheless, it is relatively final concerning destiny.

Choosing to make a gift to God by dedicating the free will to the doing of God's will, can only be demonstrated personally. 

 

 

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Horta
9 minutes ago, Will Due said:

 

Free will (the power of choice) is not absolute. Nevertheless, it is relatively final concerning destiny.
 

Not necessarily. If I freely of my own will choose to be 8' foot tall, destiny and finality are likely to be very inconsistent with my free will choice.

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Choosing to make a gift to God by dedicating the free will to the doing of God's will, can only be demonstrated personally. 

Therefore this is a personal belief. To that extent, I see no problem with it.

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