Luca-RoseElsie-Raemom1921 Posted February 11, 2019 #176 Share Posted February 11, 2019 7 hours ago, CrimsonKing said: The literal "hardest working" people i know are actually paid pretty good,they just are hardly ever home... Deck hands on fishing boats out in the oceans,i did that s*** for a lil over a year and a half years back...good pay,GREAT eating,but absolutely back breaking labor and you're hardly ever on land The hardest working people I know are NOT paid well. Same as just because someone works for themselves doesn’t equal well off. My dad is a very hard working man and we’re far from well off. My partner was a shearer (until he got very sick) that’s hard work, middle of no where and he’s far from well off. He wasn’t well off while working, because the cost of living where he was is high and no he couldn’t just go somewhere cheaper. When you’re in that industry you are under a contract for that job so it’s not oh go elsewhere. Or the nearest small town is 2+ hours away, heaven forbid you needed a main hospital that’s Royal Australian Flying Doctors. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquila King Posted February 11, 2019 #177 Share Posted February 11, 2019 31 minutes ago, spartan max2 said: It's a fact that Las Angelos is liberal and always has majority Democrat (if they have even one Republican lol). You're trying to blame the conservatives for the cities problem , the most liberal city in the most liberal state. Also the most expensive city to live in in the country. Once again because of liberal policies, it squeezes out the working class. I'm not blaming Republicans for Los Angeles's problem, I'm blaming conservative policies and practices that have consistently been carried out by establishment centrist Democrats. You're making a s**t ton of assumptions here. 34 minutes ago, spartan max2 said: When people have less money they spend less, business grows less, pay grows less, prices go up, cost of living goes up. I'm glad we're in agreement here. Thats why things like a living wage, free college tuition, universal healthcare, etc. help to give more people money. Without these things, they have less money and therefore - well, you kinda just spelled it out for me. And I've already explained how the massive tax hikes I'm calling for go towards the top 1%, not average Joes, so stop repeating the same bulls**t. Honestly man, you just refuted your own point here. I'm arguing for giving people at the bottom more money and you're not. Based on your own logic, it's progressive policies that help the economy, not hurt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquila King Posted February 11, 2019 #178 Share Posted February 11, 2019 39 minutes ago, spartan max2 said: Also I will re-extend my invitation you might have missed Conservatives are so against this new green deal because we are certain it will hurt everyone involved. You will never be able to see clearly until you except that we don't do this because we are "evil", but because we have the same goals as you. @Aquila King I don't think that you specifically are evil (though sadly I can't say the same for a number of other posters here ). I just think you are so horrendously wrong that you don't have the first clue how any of this works. As for your invitation, I'd gladly take you up on that offer if you were anywhere near a certain level of reason. I mean you literally suggested we eliminate the minimum wage entirely. Man, that's the ravings of a crazy person. I think we need to discuss the bare-basics before tackling a much more detailed issue such as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F3SS Posted February 11, 2019 #179 Share Posted February 11, 2019 22 minutes ago, Aquila King said: You can repeat it all you want my dude, it doesn't make it true. I just explained to you how many people don't just naturally have the same opportunities of others. But if you want to keep living in your privileged bubble while completely ignoring the hardships others are suffering through than you do you. No, I don't want to punish them. Just cause you say I do does not make it correct. Also, I've already explained how the rest of that isn't true, so I won't bother repeating myself. Whatever naysayer. I think you're nothing but hot air and text on the web. You've done nothing for nobody and you probably never will. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquila King Posted February 11, 2019 #180 Share Posted February 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, F3SS said: Whatever naysayer. I think you're nothing but hot air and text on the web. You've done nothing for nobody and you probably never will. At least I care about doing something for somebody, rather than constantly complaining about my money going to those who desperately need it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonKing Posted February 11, 2019 #181 Share Posted February 11, 2019 17 minutes ago, Ruby04 said: The hardest working people I know are NOT paid well. Same as just because someone works for themselves doesn’t equal well off. My dad is a very hard working man and we’re far from well off. My partner was a shearer (until he got very sick) that’s hard work, middle of no where and he’s far from well off. He wasn’t well off while working, because the cost of living where he was is high and no he couldn’t just go somewhere cheaper. When you’re in that industry you are under a contract for that job so it’s not oh go elsewhere. Or the nearest small town is 2+ hours away, heaven forbid you needed a main hospital that’s Royal Australian Flying Doctors. The cost of living in MANY places in Australia is HIGH!... I've done some research in the past with thoughts of possibly moving there,even talked to a few different people on here in the past about said cost of living... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F3SS Posted February 11, 2019 #182 Share Posted February 11, 2019 7 minutes ago, Aquila King said: At least I care about doing something for somebody, rather than constantly complaining about my money going to those who desperately need it. Aww, you care. How effective. My entire life revolves around taking care of and helping others. Until you have other people who rely on you and count on you, you'll never see the light. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luca-RoseElsie-Raemom1921 Posted February 11, 2019 #183 Share Posted February 11, 2019 14 minutes ago, CrimsonKing said: The cost of living in MANY places in Australia is HIGH!... I've done some research in the past with thoughts of possibly moving there,even talked to a few different people on here in the past about said cost of living... I KNOW I live in one of the dearest places food shopping wise. I have family in country towns and know it’s dearer out that way. Like I said my partner had FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE at how expensive it is. Reasearch is different to living it. 12 minutes ago, F3SS said: Aww, you care. How effective. My entire life revolves around taking care of and helping others. Until you have other people who rely on you and count on you, you'll never see the light. Do you know for a fact he doesn’t have others relying on him? You want to play that card? Has another living being ever NEEDED your body to survive? Because I DO have someone who currently needs my body and will continue to need me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonKing Posted February 11, 2019 #184 Share Posted February 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, Ruby04 said: Reasearch is different to living it. I tell that to people on here all the time...they still don't get it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luca-RoseElsie-Raemom1921 Posted February 11, 2019 #185 Share Posted February 11, 2019 Just now, CrimsonKing said: I tell that to people on here all the time...they still don't get it Nor do you it seems, you tried telling me what I first hand know about my own country. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquila King Posted February 11, 2019 #186 Share Posted February 11, 2019 19 minutes ago, F3SS said: Aww, you care. How effective. My entire life revolves around taking care of and helping others. Until you have other people who rely on you and count on you, you'll never see the light. I do have other people who rely on me every day of my life, so I already "see the light." You don't know anything about me, nor anything about the millions of other people around you who lack basic necessities that you're constantly complaining about. So if your life revolves around helping people, then you aren't doing that great of a job blaming those in need for their own problems. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonKing Posted February 11, 2019 #187 Share Posted February 11, 2019 Just now, Ruby04 said: Nor do you it seems, you tried telling me what I first hand know about my own country. I wasn't trying to tell you anything...was just bringing up a fact about correlation... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luca-RoseElsie-Raemom1921 Posted February 11, 2019 #188 Share Posted February 11, 2019 32 minutes ago, CrimsonKing said: The cost of living in MANY places in Australia is HIGH!... I've done some research in the past with thoughts of possibly moving there,even talked to a few different people on here in the past about said cost of living... 1 minute ago, CrimsonKing said: I wasn't trying to tell you anything...was just bringing up a fact about correlation... You did. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonKing Posted February 11, 2019 #189 Share Posted February 11, 2019 Just now, Ruby04 said: You did. Yes...you are correct,i showed making DECENT money in an EXPENSIVE place won't make one well off...in the most simplest of ways ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
likwidlite Posted February 11, 2019 #190 Share Posted February 11, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, Aquila King said: My work, your work, or anybody's work is completely irrelevant to the topic we're discussing. My entire point is that the system is not a Meritocracy, so when you say "I know what the others do so I get their angle" it misses the entire point that I'm making here. You can't "get people's angle" (at least not in the way that you're suggesting) based solely on the work that they do. Nice deflection. I asked what you contribute, provide, create? And this entirely relevant to the topic. Why? Because post after post you talk about what YOU want, what YOU would take, what YOU think is fair, you, you, you... But what do YOU bring to the table? This goes beyond your 9 to 5. You could be a road sweeper who works for free at a soup kitchen in their spare time or a CEO that raises $$$ at charity functions for his rich friends. But if you're just another internet socialist using someone else's internet to whinge about the ills of the world then everything you type is just hollow rhetoric. From personal experience every "socialist" I know is extremely articulate in explaining the ills of the world but personally do sweet FA to achieve change. Edited February 11, 2019 by likwidlite 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan max2 Posted February 11, 2019 #191 Share Posted February 11, 2019 (edited) 11 hours ago, Aquila King said: I'm glad we're in agreement here. Thats why things like a living wage, free college tuition, universal healthcare, etc. help to give more people money. Without these things, they have less money and therefore - well, you kinda just spelled it out for me. And I've already explained how the massive tax hikes I'm calling for go towards the top 1%, not average Joes, so stop repeating the same bulls**t. Honestly man, you just refuted your own point here. I'm arguing for giving people at the bottom more money and you're not. Based on your own logic, it's progressive policies that help the economy, not hurt it. Perhaps this is the core of the disagreement? Do you believe that a tax hike on the 1% would be enough to pay for all these things? I am fairly certain it would not, hence having to raise taxes of everyone else both directly or indirectly, taking money from them. Which is why France was my example to you. The most taxed nation in the West, they have all the programs you are calling for, that is why it is so expensive to live there, which is what set these riots off because even with all the programs, if the cost of living is too high, then it still hurts the working class. Edited February 11, 2019 by spartan max2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan max2 Posted February 11, 2019 #192 Share Posted February 11, 2019 (edited) 11 hours ago, Aquila King said: I don't think that you specifically are evil (though sadly I can't say the same for a number of other posters here ). I just think you are so horrendously wrong that you don't have the first clue how any of this works. As for your invitation, I'd gladly take you up on that offer if you were anywhere near a certain level of reason. I mean you literally suggested we eliminate the minimum wage entirely. Man, that's the ravings of a crazy person. I think we need to discuss the bare-basics before tackling a much more detailed issue such as that. I do not want to eliminate it, I just think it basically accomplishes nonething. Keep an open mind and question everything always. Don't just call something crazy and not think about it lol. Let me illustrate this in a different way. Let me ask you this, say you are a business owner, you pay your people a minimum of $9 an hour, legislation passes and it is moved up to $15. As the business owner you feel you can not afford to do the pay increase, or perhaps you are just too greedy to want to lose any money. What do you do? <><><><> Edited February 11, 2019 by spartan max2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skliss Posted February 11, 2019 #193 Share Posted February 11, 2019 10 minutes ago, spartan max2 said: Perhaps this is the core of the disagreement? Do you believe that a tax hike on the 1% would be enough to pay for all these things? I am fairly certain it would not, hence having to raise taxes of everyone else both directly or indirectly, taking money from them. Which is why France was my example to you. The most taxed nation in the West, they have all the programs you are calling for, that is why it is so expensive to live there, which is what set these riots off because even with all the programs, if the cost of living is too high then it still hurts the working class. Not to mention that their top 1% are leaving to avoid the high taxes which not only means more taxes on the rest, but I'm sure jobs go with them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan max2 Posted February 11, 2019 #194 Share Posted February 11, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, skliss said: Not to mention that their top 1% are leaving to avoid the high taxes which not only means more taxes on the rest, but I'm sure jobs go with them. Yeah them moving or simply liquifying money into assets like property, cars, houses, investments, etc - finding loopholes. Despite the rhetoric you can't close all those loopholes without also effecting the average joe Edited February 11, 2019 by spartan max2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skliss Posted February 11, 2019 #195 Share Posted February 11, 2019 1 hour ago, likwidlite said: Ah I see. Stick it to the man... as long as someone else does it. Yep. I hate to sound mean, but I see my son, who is around the same age, work full time and go to school full time and is paying for it as he goes because he wants to graduate owing nothing to anyone. Talk about a difference in attitude and expectations! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer77 Posted February 11, 2019 #196 Share Posted February 11, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, skliss said: Yep. I hate to sound mean, but I see my son, who is around the same age, work full time and go to school full time and is paying for it as he goes because he wants to graduate owing nothing to anyone. Talk about a difference in attitude and expectations! Dear god this has been really annoying to watch. Your assumptions are kinda disgusting. AK has been very open and honest about his disabilities, meanwhile you are being very dishonest in representing him. Should having a disability remove him from public discourse? Should he not get to vote? Should he not have an opinion? BTW He and I share largely the exact same views and I work my ass off saving lives for a living while raising a family. Stop pretending seeing logic in socialist policies somehow equates to laziness. THAT is laziness Edited February 11, 2019 by Farmer77 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skliss Posted February 11, 2019 #197 Share Posted February 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, Farmer77 said: Dear god this has been really annoying to watch. Your assumptions are kinda disgusting. AK has been very open and honest about his disabilities, meanwhile you are being very dishonest in representing him. Should having a disability remove him from public discourse? Should he not get to vote? Should he not have an opinion? BTW He and I share largely the exact same views and I work my ass off saving lives for a living while raising a family. Stop pretending seeing logic in socialist policies somehow equates to laziness. THAT is laziness I didn't say he was lazy, I said he didn't work. And it's relevant to every single post he makes about the socialist programs he wants "his money" to go to. If he didn't want it to be part of the discussion he shouldn't have mentioned it. Sure he can have opinions but it should be pointed out he has a bias just like he points it out (usually incorrectly and with an enormous amount of bigotry) in others he spars with here. Frankly I think many of your and his opinions about good people here and whom I know are disgusting as well. I guess that just makes us even. Don't ever tell me I can't express my opinion any where at any time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer77 Posted February 11, 2019 #198 Share Posted February 11, 2019 13 minutes ago, skliss said: I didn't say he was lazy, I said he didn't work. Dont backpeddle now. Thats just being a pansy. 35 minutes ago, skliss said: Yep. I hate to sound mean, but I see my son, who is around the same age, work full time and go to school full time and is paying for it as he goes because he wants to graduate owing nothing to anyone. Talk about a difference in attitude and expectations! Seriously. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonKing Posted February 11, 2019 #199 Share Posted February 11, 2019 Just now, Farmer77 said: Dont backpeddle now. Thats just being a pansy. Seriously. He gives aswell as he takes on here Farmer... I've seen it said on here that ANYONE who voted for Trump was a billion other things worse than lazy... It's UM politics section... Either it's a free flowing bashing of one another,or it's constantly being edited,reported,and banning... 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer77 Posted February 11, 2019 #200 Share Posted February 11, 2019 14 minutes ago, CrimsonKing said: He gives aswell as he takes on here Farmer... I've seen it said on here that ANYONE who voted for Trump was a billion other things worse than lazy... It's UM politics section... Either it's a free flowing bashing of one another,or it's constantly being edited,reported,and banning... Dont go throwing logic and common sense into my work stress release outlet! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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