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skliss
5 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

Dear god this has been really annoying to watch. Your assumptions are kinda disgusting. AK has been very open and honest about his disabilities, meanwhile you are being very dishonest in representing him.

Should having a disability remove him from public discourse? Should he not get to vote? Should he not have an opinion?

BTW He and I share largely the exact same views and I work my ass off saving lives for a living while raising a family. Stop pretending seeing logic in socialist policies somehow equates to laziness. THAT is laziness

I didn't say he was lazy, I said he didn't work. And it's relevant to every single post he makes about the socialist programs he wants "his money" to go to. If he didn't want it to be part of the discussion he shouldn't have mentioned it. 

Sure he can have opinions but it should be pointed out he has a bias just like he points it out (usually incorrectly and with an enormous amount of bigotry) in others he spars with here. Frankly I think many of your and his opinions about good people here and whom I know are disgusting as well. I guess that just makes us even.

Don't ever tell me I can't express my opinion any where at any time. 

 

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Farmer77
13 minutes ago, skliss said:

I didn't say he was lazy, I said he didn't work.

Dont backpeddle now. Thats just being a pansy.  

 

35 minutes ago, skliss said:

Yep. I hate to sound mean, but I see my son, who is around the same age, work full time and go to school full time and is paying for it as he goes because he wants to graduate owing nothing to anyone. Talk about a difference in attitude and expectations!

Seriously.

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CrimsonKing
Just now, Farmer77 said:

Dont backpeddle now. Thats just being a pansy.  

 

Seriously.

He gives aswell as he takes on here Farmer...

I've seen it said on here that ANYONE who voted for Trump was a billion other things worse than lazy...

It's UM politics section...

Either it's a free flowing bashing of one another,or it's constantly being edited,reported,and banning... :lol:

 

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Farmer77
14 minutes ago, CrimsonKing said:

He gives aswell as he takes on here Farmer...

I've seen it said on here that ANYONE who voted for Trump was a billion other things worse than lazy...

It's UM politics section...

Either it's a free flowing bashing of one another,or it's constantly being edited,reported,and banning... :lol:

 

Dont go throwing logic and common sense into my work stress release outlet! :lol:

 

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Aquila King
12 hours ago, likwidlite said:

Nice deflection. I asked what you contribute, provide, create? And this entirely relevant to the topic. Why? Because post after post you talk about what YOU want, what YOU would take, what YOU think is fair, you, you, you... But what do YOU bring to the table? This goes beyond your 9 to 5. You could be a road sweeper who works for free at a soup kitchen in their spare time or a CEO that raises $$$ at charity functions for his rich friends. But if you're just another internet socialist using someone else's internet to whinge about the ills of the world then everything you type is just hollow rhetoric. 

From personal experience every "socialist" I know is extremely articulate in explaining the ills of the world but personally do sweet FA to achieve change. 

Allow me to fully explain the hollow rhetoric that you just espoused.

This is not a legitimate criticism. This is you playing the smear merchant, while attempting to gaslight your opponent into thinking there's something wrong with them as opposed to your own s**tty argument. Don't worry, I'll explain my own personal situation to you since you're clearly so dying to know, but I have to say a few things first so hang on...

I have already explained multiple times, that the system is not a Meritocracy. There are people who work their asses off yet are not properly rewarded for it, people who work 2 or 3 jobs on minimum wage who have only a few hours of sleep per night and can barely pay their regular bills. These people don't "contribute, provide, or create" anything. They can't, because they can barely even provide for themselves. This isn't because they're 'lazy', it's because they're overworked and underpaid. They have no time or money for charity work, or any sort of activism that benefits the community.

Using your own logic above, these people essentially have no right to complain about their living and financial situation because they don't give enough of their own time or money that they don't have towards any sort of extra activities.

See, this is exactly why your above quote is nothing but a smear tactic, not an actual legitimate argument. No matter how someone responds, no matter what financial or social situation someone is in, you could easily respond with the above quote in saying "You don't contribute, provide, or create enough, therefore you have no right to complain." This is akin to telling a homeless man that he doesn't do enough charity work, he doesn't give enough to other people, therefore he doesn't have a right to receive any assistance from anyone. Of course he doesn't give to the needy, dips**t, cause he is the needy.

I said earlier, "You have to have money to make money." Well it could also be said "You have to have money to give money." Those at the bottom of the economic ladder have no money, and often times little to no time to put towards other people's intersts. Why? Because they have to focus on their own. If they don't, they lose what little they do have. They are the needy. Yet you want them to feel ashamed of being needy and blame them for their own financial troubles.

Conservative ideology ridiculously demands that all those who suffer financial hardships suffer solely due to their own choices. This is nothing but victim blaming cranked to 1000. Not only have I already proven this idea to be inherently false, but this is incredibly damaging to people's psyche if they actually believe that bulls**t, and it completely fails to actually address the real-world problems that they face.

You cannot work, volunteer, give to charity, contribute, provide, or create, when you have no time energy or money to do so. You cannot do any of those things when you yourself are the one who needs the assistance that such activities help to provide.

Now, you want to know how much I've contributed to other's overall welfare? Very well. I've worked 10-12 hour shifts 5-6 days a week in a factory lifting heavy steel wheels all day every day. I've volunteered in programs that help feed hungry children in poverty stricken areas of downtown. I've volunteered to go door to door in my free time to the elderly and those who are sick and assist them with basic activities. I've also made visits to hospitals with the same volunteer group. I've volunteered to collect trash in public parks and roadways. I have given and currently give money to various charities. And I've been and still am an active assistive member of a small therapy group for victims of sexual abuse. 

As of right now however, I work a simple minimum wage dead-end job, and have very little time and money partly as a result of this to spend towards much of the above mentioned activites. Not to mention I have an elderly mother who I live with that has trouble performing basic tasks, and who therefore requires my regular assistance as her primary caregiver. I do still actively give back to the community what little I can, and most activism I do now is political activism that helps those who for whatever reason find themselves in needy positions that they cannot themselves get out of.

I am not a perfect person, I've made plenty of mistakes over the years, and I still struggle with problems such as PTSD from childhood sexual abuse from my father, severe ADD which on top of the abuse hindered my ability to excel in school, extreme anxiety and depression as a result of everything else I just mentioned, etc. I recognize my own faults more than anyone, yet I have spent years blaming myself for many of the struggles that others had brought down upon me.

I have done and continue to do plenty for society, despite whatever bulls**t hateful smear tactic you wish to pull. I recognize from not only my own personal life and experiences, but from working with others who live in poverty and are desperately in need, that a significant number of the problems that they face are not due to their own personal negligence. They are poor and needy because of the system they live under

You don't know anything about me, or anything about the people you love to smear. I don't just support these social programs for myself, I support them for the millions of other Americans who are suffering without them. And whether you like it or not, that's just a fact.

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F3SS
1 hour ago, Farmer77 said:

Dear god this has been really annoying to watch. Your assumptions are kinda disgusting. AK has been very open and honest about his disabilities, meanwhile you are being very dishonest in representing him.

Should having a disability remove him from public discourse? Should he not get to vote? Should he not have an opinion?

BTW He and I share largely the exact same views and I work my ass off saving lives for a living while raising a family. Stop pretending seeing logic in socialist policies somehow equates to laziness. THAT is laziness

Socialist policies lead to laziness. Sit down, relax. Let the billionaires take care of you.

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Aquila King
5 hours ago, skliss said:

He can't answer because he doesn't work and collects. He just wants to collect even more. His animosity and refusal to see the reason people have more is because they worked for more is based on his inability to accept the fact that he'd have to go out and do the same. 

It's true that I was unemployed for a period of time, however that's no longer the case. Don't go making assumptions about people you know nothing about.

EDIT: I should also add that I have never had any government assistance of any kind, not that there's anything wrong with that. Just saying.

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likwidlite
20 minutes ago, Aquila King said:

Allow me to fully explain the hollow rhetoric that you just espoused.

This is not a legitimate criticism. This is you playing the smear merchant, while attempting to gaslight your opponent into thinking there's something wrong with them as opposed to your own s**tty argument. Don't worry, I'll explain my own personal situation to you since you're clearly so dying to know, but I have to say a few things first so hang on...

I have already explained multiple times, that the system is not a Meritocracy. There are people who work their asses off yet are not properly rewarded for it, people who work 2 or 3 jobs on minimum wage who have only a few hours of sleep per night and can barely pay their regular bills. These people don't "contribute, provide, or create" anything. They can't, because they can barely even provide for themselves. This isn't because they're 'lazy', it's because they're overworked and underpaid. They have no time or money for charity work, or any sort of activism that benefits the community.

Using your own logic above, these people essentially have no right to complain about their living and financial situation because they don't give enough of their own time or money that they don't have towards any sort of extra activities.

See, this is exactly why your above quote is nothing but a smear tactic, not an actual legitimate argument. No matter how someone responds, no matter what financial or social situation someone is in, you could easily respond with the above quote in saying "You don't contribute, provide, or create enough, therefore you have no right to complain." This is akin to telling a homeless man that he doesn't do enough charity work, he doesn't give enough to other people, therefore he doesn't have a right to receive any assistance from anyone. Of course he doesn't give to the needy, dips**t, cause he is the needy.

I said earlier, "You have to have money to make money." Well it could also be said "You have to have money to give money." Those at the bottom of the economic ladder have no money, and often times little to no time to put towards other people's intersts. Why? Because they have to focus on their own. If they don't, they lose what little they do have. They are the needy. Yet you want them to feel ashamed of being needy and blame them for their own financial troubles.

Conservative ideology ridiculously demands that all those who suffer financial hardships suffer solely due to their own choices. This is nothing but victim blaming cranked to 1000. Not only have I already proven this idea to be inherently false, but this is incredibly damaging to people's psyche if they actually believe that bulls**t, and it completely fails to actually address the real-world problems that they face.

You cannot work, volunteer, give to charity, contribute, provide, or create, when you have no time energy or money to do so. You cannot do any of those things when you yourself are the one who needs the assistance that such activities help to provide.

Now, you want to know how much I've contributed to other's overall welfare? Very well. I've worked 10-12 hour shifts 5-6 days a week in a factory lifting heavy steel wheels all day every day. I've volunteered in programs that help feed hungry children in poverty stricken areas of downtown. I've volunteered to go door to door in my free time to the elderly and those who are sick and assist them with basic activities. I've also made visits to hospitals with the same volunteer group. I've volunteered to collect trash in public parks and roadways. I have given and currently give money to various charities. And I've been and still am an active assistive member of a small therapy group for victims of sexual abuse. 

As of right now however, I work a simple minimum wage dead-end job, and have very little time and money partly as a result of this to spend towards much of the above mentioned activites. Not to mention I have an elderly mother who I live with that has trouble performing basic tasks, and who therefore requires my regular assistance as her primary caregiver. I do still actively give back to the community what little I can, and most activism I do now is political activism that helps those who for whatever reason find themselves in needy positions that they cannot themselves get out of.

I am not a perfect person, I've made plenty of mistakes over the years, and I still struggle with problems such as PTSD from childhood sexual abuse from my father, severe ADD which on top of the abuse hindered my ability to excel in school, extreme anxiety and depression as a result of everything else I just mentioned, etc. I recognize my own faults more than anyone, yet I have spent years blaming myself for many of the struggles that others had brought down upon me.

I have done and continue to do plenty for society, despite whatever bulls**t hateful smear tactic you wish to pull. I recognize from not only my own personal life and experiences, but from working with others who live in poverty and are desperately in need, that a significant number of the problems that they face are not due to their own personal negligence. They are poor and needy because of the system they live under

You don't know anything about me, or anything about the people you love to smear. I don't just support these social programs for myself, I support them for the millions of other Americans who are suffering without them. And whether you like it or not, that's just a fact.

You're right, i know nothing about you, that's why I asked a simple question. Asking someone you don't know a question is a smear tactic and an argument? Strange logic. I set no argument, I asked a simple question and explained why I asked it. 

Pretty much everything you wrote there was an argument you made up in your head, waffling on about other people's needs and making assumptions about my political views. "The people you smear" wtf are you talking about?

Perhaps this is where me and you differ. If I don't know someone I just ask a question. You seem to make up that persons persona in your head.

That all said and done. Thank you for being so open in your reply in the part that was relevant to my actual question. Now moving forward, I have a better understanding of where you're coming from when reading these debates. I can go back to the corner of the room and listen to you all get back on it. 

 

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Aquila King
6 hours ago, spartan max2 said:

Do you believe that a tax hike on the 1% would be enough to pay for all these things?

In a simplistic sense, yes. Though most proponents of this support various other things like closing tax loopholes, cut spending on things like the overblown military budget, etc.

There are also those who do suggest slightly increasing taxes on working and middle class Americans; but they argue that things like increased wages, no student debt, and free healthcare, etc. more than make up the difference.

So in short, yes. But there are other things we could do to make the accomplish it as well.

6 hours ago, spartan max2 said:

Let me ask you this, say you are a business owner, you pay your people a minimum of $9 an hour, legislation passes and it is moved up to $15.

As the business owner you feel you can not afford to do the pay increase, or perhaps you are just too greedy to want to lose any money.

What do you do? 

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Pay them a living wage or grow broke.

If a business cannot survive without paying it's employees what they need to survive, then it deserves to go under.

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