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Did European megaliths inspire Stonehenge ?

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paperdyer

More conjcture/theory. But I'm sure the people of that age had to be more advanced than first thought to be able to make these structures.

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bison

The original scientific paper assumes that a surprisingly advanced maritime technology must have existed, in order to spread the megalithic culture throughout the Atlantic and Mediterranean coasts of Europe. Sailing vessels some 6000 years ago, fit for travel from Brittany to Ireland and Scotland, Sweden and Italy. A heady vision.

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godnodog

There must be an error in the article, it states this was done arround 7000 ears ago, the proble is there is a "stonehenge" like structure in Portugal dated for over 6000 B.C, wich would mean it would be  at most arround1000 years older than this. Maybe I am confused, I dont know.

The structure is the "Cromeleque dos Almendres", or cromlech of Almendres

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almendres_Cromlech

I dont think its even the older.

 

 

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bison

The scientific paper that started this discussion doesn't appear to mention Almendres. It seems that the European megalithic culture is even older than its author supposes. If we use the relative age of the stone monuments as a basis for deciding where the megalithic culture began, a starting point in Portugal will have to be considered.

I'd never heard of megalithic structures in Portugal. I wonder if there are others there of a similar age, either already known, or waiting to be turned up. Being as old as this, some may be covered over, collapsed, or plundered for building stones, and so, difficult to find.

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Coil

There is a version of why people began to build megaliths and not temples. After the moral fall of Atlantis, its inhabitants hated temples and gold, which in recent times turned into places of worship for lower spirits, so they moved to European continents built outdoors out of stones adhering to simplicity and proximity to nature .

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Essan
3 hours ago, Coil said:

There is a version of why people began to build megaliths and not temples. After the moral fall of Atlantis, its inhabitants hated temples and gold, which in recent times turned into places of worship for lower spirits, so they moved to European continents built outdoors out of stones adhering to simplicity and proximity to nature .

Except "Atlantis" wasnt invented until long after these stone circles were raised.  

May as well ascribe them as devices to protect against the dark arts and attack by Dementors ;) 

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godnodog
13 hours ago, bison said:

The scientific paper that started this discussion doesn't appear to mention Almendres. It seems that the European megalithic culture is even older than its author supposes. If we use the relative age of the stone monuments as a basis for deciding where the megalithic culture began, a starting point in Portugal will have to be considered.

I'd never heard of megalithic structures in Portugal. I wonder if there are others there of a similar age, either already known, or waiting to be turned up. Being as old as this, some may be covered over, collapsed, or plundered for building stones, and so, difficult to find.

Honestly I've heard some theories that this type of monuments actually first started here and then spread, but I never took it serious. Portugal is filled with these monuments. If not mistaken the region just north of Algarve is where you can find the most amount of these. 

Some speculate that the region where I live now, Peninsula of Setubal, was one of the very last places where Neanderthals lived, not sure if related in any way. The point I am trying to make is that Iberia is one of the oldest human habitats in Europe.

For those who know the football club FC Porto, their older stadium, before the Euro2004, was called "Estadio das Antas", in english "Stadium of Menirs", not sure about the translation.

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Coil
11 hours ago, Essan said:

Except "Atlantis" wasnt invented until long after these stone circles were raised.  ;) 

The last part of Atlantis sank 10 thousand years ago, so from the time of the catastrophe and before the appearance of megaliths 6 thousand years ago their origin may be explained (if they did not begin to occur immediately after the resettlement of Atlanteans to European lands). And the fact that France and the United Kingdom are close to water explains that the settlers crossed the ocean and settled on nearby lands and began to build religious pedestals.

Among them were not only humans but also the demigods who erected posthumous mounds:

https://www.newgrange.com/

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Everdred
On 2/27/2019 at 2:08 AM, godnodog said:

There must be an error in the article, it states this was done arround 7000 ears ago, the proble is there is a "stonehenge" like structure in Portugal dated for over 6000 B.C, wich would mean it would be  at most arround1000 years older than this. Maybe I am confused, I dont know.

The structure is the "Cromeleque dos Almendres", or cromlech of Almendres

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almendres_Cromlech

I dont think its even the older.

 

 

Here's the original journal article:

https://www.pnas.org/content/116/9/3460

If you look at supplementary dataset 1, you'll see that the study includes some 30 megalithic sites just from Alentejo. The fact that this cromlech is not included strongly suggests that it was never subjected to carbon dating. Rather, the dating seems to be relative, where they're putting it into different broad periods (Early Neolithic, Middle Neolithic, etc.). But the dates they're providing for these periods are incorrect (possibly because the monument seems to have been investigated several decades ago). At 6,000 BC in Portugal, there was no Neolithic. The Neolithic was just entering Europe via Greece at this time. It took a good 1500-2000 years to make its way to Portugal. So it's not suprising that the paper is citing a period of 4200-3500 BC for the megaliths in southern Portugal, based on carbon dating.

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godnodog

The oldest neolitic stuff in Portugal date to 6k to 7k years ago, wich would place it arround 4000Bc to 5000BC, so yes afterGreece but not 1,5k to 2k after.

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