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https://pjmedia.com/trending/is-empire-star-jussie-smolletts-story-falling-apart/

 

Jussie Smollet seems to be getting deeper in a hole with his inability to offer any proof of the alleged "racist" attack by Trump supporters who supposedly yelled "this is MAGA Country" while they beat him, poured bleach on him and put a noose around his neck in a part of town where MANY CCTV cams should have been able to at least partially verify his account.  I'll say this up front, I have no idea what the truth is and won't judge him until proof is found that he's lying but the topic I'd like to discuss is - What do we do about people who stage such things and stir dissension and outright hatred against innocents who usually are said to be white, in the social media spaces?  

If it turns out that this guy was just wanting more notoriety and fame for courage that he does not possess, what should his consequences be?  What if some white guy(s) in this neighborhood had been beaten, shot, stabbed or whatever, as a result of this story going viral?  According to the article, there are precious few people in that neighborhood who would have been white hetero-males.

From the piece:

Conservative blogger Matt Walsh laid out the basic incongruity of Smollett's story: "he claims he was attacked by white Trump-loving racists in one of the most liberal parts of one of the most liberal cities in America. No similar attacks have been reported by anyone in the town."

I don't wish to argue his veracity, that remains to be seen.  I also don't want to argue over racism, his or others.  I'm just talking about the growing tendency to post accusations without proof and use them to target groups who are innocent.  I'd just like to have a civil discussion of where you guys think this leads and how we can do a part in defusing it.

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hacktorp
18 minutes ago, and then said:

What do we do about people who stage such things and stir dissension and outright hatred against innocents who usually are said to be white, in the social media spaces? 

Run them in the Democrat presidential primary?

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Aquila King
23 minutes ago, and then said:

What do we do about people who stage such things and stir dissension and outright hatred against innocents who usually are said to be white, in the social media spaces?  

I'm guessing this?

Violence for political reasons. Seems to be right up your alley @and then.

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Hankenhunter
6 minutes ago, Aquila King said:

I'm guessing this?

Violence for political reasons. Seems to be right up your alley @and then.

FAKE NEWS!I!! At least he didnt blame Hillary this time.

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Aquila King
3 minutes ago, Hankenhunter said:

FAKE NEWS!I!! At least he didnt blame Hillary this time.

Honestly, someone seriously wants to make a thread about spreading hate towards Trump supporters? Literally the #1 proponents of hate-mongering rhetoric out there?

I just can't take this level of bulls**t man, it stinks so bad I could actually puke...

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Imaginarynumber1
1 minute ago, Aquila King said:

Honestly, someone seriously wants to make a thread about spreading hate towards Trump supporters? Literally the #1 proponents of hate-mongering rhetoric out there?

I just can't take this level of bulls**t man, it stinks so bad I could actually puke...

The cognitive dissonance is astounding 

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papageorge1

We also need to ask what should happen to people that fabricate hate stories. 

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Aquila King
1 hour ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Dude, you’d be up in arms if it was a Trumpling faking a story about an attack on them by Democrats or Antifa. Rightly so, I may add. But you’re statement here casts you in a very hypocritical light, Im sorry to say.

Stop with the false equivalency BS. Trump is the biggest hate monger of them all, yet you guys think one dumb ass faking a story somehow means 'both sides' have the same degree of lies and hate being spewed? Give me a break.

When viewed in proper context, this is nothing compared to the nonstop lies and hatred that has been thrown out by Trump and his goonies for the past few years. 

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Wickian

It depends on whether it's hate or "hate".  One is the act of harming another over a personal prejudice of any kind, the other is any kind visible or auditory event or phrase that isn't modern day liberal.

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Imaginarynumber1
1 hour ago, Aquila King said:

Stop with the false equivalency BS. Trump is the biggest hate monger of them all, yet you guys think one dumb ass faking a story somehow means 'both sides' have the same degree of lies and hate being spewed? Give me a break.

When viewed in proper context, this is nothing compared to the nonstop lies and hatred that has been thrown out by Trump and his goonies for the past few years. 

Image result for he's right you know

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RoofGardener
4 hours ago, Aquila King said:

I'm guessing this?

Violence for political reasons. Seems to be right up your alley @and then.

Trump supporter, or left-wing agent provocateur ? It seems a strange thing to attack the cameras that are beaming Trump to the world ? Or are we to believe the 'narrative' that states that President Trump's criticism of the media has deranged his followers into wide-eyed anti-media maniacs ? 

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4 hours ago, Aquila King said:

Honestly, someone seriously wants to make a thread about spreading hate towards Trump supporters? Literally the #1 proponents of hate-mongering rhetoric out there?

I just can't take this level of bulls**t man, it stinks so bad I could actually puke...

So, if Smollet is proven to have fabricated this story for reasons of his own, you're okay with that?

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Sir Wearer of Hats
2 hours ago, Aquila King said:

Stop with the false equivalency BS. Trump is the biggest hate monger of them all, yet you guys think one dumb ass faking a story somehow means 'both sides' have the same degree of lies and hate being spewed? Give me a break.

When viewed in proper context, this is nothing compared to the nonstop lies and hatred that has been thrown out by Trump and his goonies for the past few years. 

So because someone else lies a lot, you’re okay with other people lying in order to do something to the original liar?

LIES LIES LIES LIES BEGETTING MORE LIES. the stomach turns at the thought. 

YOU DON’T DEFEAT EVIL WITH EVIL’S TOOLS! 

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RoofGardener
3 hours ago, Aquila King said:

Stop with the false equivalency BS. Trump is the biggest hate monger of them all, .....

Oh really ? More so  than - say - Maxine Waters ? (who publicly called for White House staff members to be attacked on the street ? )

There is an interesting article here - https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/trump-hatred-left-incivility/ - which details hatred and incivility on the part of the liberal left going way back to the Bush era. 

Did you know that the meme "Trump Derangement Syndrome" was first actually coined to describe the "lefts" behaviour towards George Bush ? (Bush Derangement Syndrome). People likened him to Satan, and publicly called for his death. 

To quote from the above article: "..... That's always been the left's response to politicians they don't agree with: Harass, attack, belittle, demean, threaten, scream … and repeat. Unlike Republicans, however, the left never gets called on its hate-mongering."

Have you considered that Donald Trump is a REACTION to the 'lefts' previous violent invective, not a CAUSE of it ? 

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Piney
4 hours ago, papageorge1 said:

We also need to ask what should happen to people that fabricate hate stories. 

There are "filing a false report" laws but in this case there should be more. If I busted him I would of thrown him in GP with a bunch of Toms River Skinheads. 

*You want "hate"? You got it knucklehead.*

39 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

Oh really ? More so  than - say - Maxine Waters ? (who publicly called for White House staff members to be attacked on the street ? )

That hypocritical welfare profiteer that quotes King yet doesn't follow what he taught needs to be in a prison...

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Buzz_Light_Year
5 hours ago, Aquila King said:

Stop with the false equivalency BS. Trump is the biggest hate monger of them all, yet you guys think one dumb ass faking a story somehow means 'both sides' have the same degree of lies and hate being spewed? Give me a break.

When viewed in proper context, this is nothing compared to the nonstop lies and hatred that has been thrown out by Trump and his goonies for the past few years. 

Thanks for the laugh...........

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6 hours ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Dude, you’d be up in arms if it was a Trumpling faking a story about an attack on them by Democrats or Antifa. Rightly so, I may add. But you’re statement here casts you in a very hypocritical light, Im sorry to say.

I expected spirited back and forth but I don't understand the anger.  It's a simple idea.  How do we handle people making things up and pushing a false story in social media?  Pick a side and explain what should happen to them (R or D) when they actually make things up and exacerbate hatred.  It isn't difficult to imagine someone getting so upset over a rumor that they go after the supposed attackers, as in this story.  I read some of the comments in the original story and there was some vicious things being said and threats being thrown around.  It seems we've lost the ability to just discuss things.  Any disagreement is met with anger and accusations about motives.  This Smollet guy may be a test case for the issue.  I can't even imagine how he thought it would be good for him to make such a story up.  Maybe he knew there would be no evidence and he just expected the same media behavior that we've seen for 3 years to continue without questioning his story.  Regardless his thinking, this behavior is going to get people killed, eventually.  It seems like the whole culture is melting down in hatred.

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RoofGardener
23 minutes ago, and then said:

I expected spirited back and forth but I don't understand the anger.  It's a simple idea.  How do we handle people making things up and pushing a false story in social media?  Pick a side and explain what should happen to them (R or D) when they actually make things up and exacerbate hatred.  It isn't difficult to imagine someone getting so upset over a rumor that they go after the supposed attackers, as in this story.  I read some of the comments in the original story and there was some vicious things being said and threats being thrown around.  It seems we've lost the ability to just discuss things.  Any disagreement is met with anger and accusations about motives.  This Smollet guy may be a test case for the issue.  I can't even imagine how he thought it would be good for him to make such a story up.  Maybe he knew there would be no evidence and he just expected the same media behavior that we've seen for 3 years to continue without questioning his story.  Regardless his thinking, this behavior is going to get people killed, eventually.  It seems like the whole culture is melting down in hatred.

"The Left" seem to be picking up on the previous outbreak of "fake Islamophobia" and "fake racism" attacks ! 

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Myles
6 hours ago, Aquila King said:

Stop with the false equivalency BS. Trump is the biggest hate monger of them all

 

Trump doesn't hold a candle to the hate mongers on the left.   At least Trump is transparent whereas the haters on the left hide being sex and racism.  

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skliss

Logic suggests that the chances of this guy randomly running into 2 MAGA hat wearing bigots who happen to be carrying ropes and bleach at 2 am is pretty low. That they happen to run into the only black, gay man out on the street again at 2 am and recognizing him as such also seems a bit farfetched. If it turns out to be lies, and someone gets hurt, he should share in whatever punishment is meted out.

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RavenHawk
10 hours ago, Aquila King said:

I'm guessing this?

Violence for political reasons. Seems to be right up your alley @and then.

So anyone that puts on a MAGA hat is a Trump supporter now?  Granted, old tricks are tried and true but the only ones it’s fooling are Trump-haters.  I guess you didn’t notice that the one that restrained the belligerent was also wearing a MAGA hat?  And the crowd was cheering that as he escorted the belligerent out.  Now the belligerent may have been a Trump supporter that had a bit too much??  This was one guy out of thousands; he was not representative of the typical Trump Supporter.  Trump’s speech, as usual, was uplifting and motivating a positive attitude.  If the crowd was Antifa, the hatred and violence would have spilled out into the street.  Trump rails against the media for their 24x7 negative attacks on him and the country.  He prefers to use rhetoric to fight back.  The media can’t help but to oblige Trump.  They stumble over themselves to show who can stuff their foot further in their mouths more than the next.  And for all the hatred and fake news spewed at Trump, his approval is now about 52%.  That is extremely high in light of the Trump-hatred.

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Kittens Are Jerks
5 hours ago, and then said:

How do we handle people making things up and pushing a false story in social media?  Pick a side and explain what should happen to them (R or D) when they actually make things up and exacerbate hatred. 

There appears to be a movement of groups and individuals working to promote a narrative that hate crimes and hate incidents are on the rise. Whether that is indeed the case is next to the point of this discussion. More pertinent is that many reported incidents turn out to be false. Compounding the problem is that hate crimes get extensive media coverage (as they should) but quickly fade from view once the hoax is uncovered (as they should not). Unsolved incidents also fade, and that too is an issue. The motive behind hate crime hoaxes should also be examined. Is the intent to build on the aforementioned narrative, is it to promote conflict and divisiveness, or is it both or something else altogether?

As I see it, individuals who falsely report a hate crime should be charged with the same crime they reported, especially as their crime is just as hateful and harmful as the one they claimed to have been committed against them. One shouldn't be allowed to get away with weaponising hate.

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CrimsonKing
49 minutes ago, Kittens Are Jerks said:

There appears to be a movement of groups and individuals working to promote a narrative that hate crimes and hate incidents are on the rise. Whether that is indeed the case is next to the point of this discussion. More pertinent is that many reported incidents turn out to be false. Compounding the problem is that hate crimes get extensive media coverage (as they should) but quickly fade from view once the hoax is uncovered (as they should not). Unsolved incidents also fade, and that too is an issue. The motive behind hate crime hoaxes should also be examined. Is the intent to build on the aforementioned narrative, is it to promote conflict and divisiveness, or is it both or something else altogether?

As I see it, individuals who falsely report a hate crime should be charged with the same crime they reported, especially as their crime is just as hateful and harmful as the one they claimed to have been committed against them. One shouldn't be allowed to get away with weaponising hate.

Me and you agree on something...Unbelievable! :tu: :lol:

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CrimsonKing
5 hours ago, Myles said:

Trump doesn't hold a candle to the hate mongers on the left.   At least Trump is transparent whereas the haters on the left hide being sex and racism.  

Until full on hypocrisy shows up,and the left dips out...

See,speak,hear nothing evil against dear party... ;)

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