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Mexico border wall: Trump defends emergency

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Farmer77

This is some good news for Constitutionalists

Rand Paul to vote to block emergency declaration, forcing Trump veto

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"I can’t vote to give the president the power to spend money that hasn’t been appropriated by Congress. We may want more money for border security, but Congress didn’t authorize it. If we take away those checks and balances, it’s a dangerous thing." - Rand Paul

 

Hell yeah good on you Mr. Paul :tu:

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DieChecker

At least the Republicans have SOME individuals that are allowed (sometimes?) to think for themselves. I miss that.

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DieChecker

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/05/us/border-crossing-increase.html

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More than 76,000 migrants crossed the border without authorization in February, an 11-year high and a strong sign that stepped-up prosecutions, new controls on asylum and harsher detention policies have not reversed what remains a powerful lure for thousands of families fleeing violence and poverty.

Doubtless this isn't going to hurt Trump's stand. It just makes it look like more of an emergency.

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2 minutes ago, DieChecker said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/05/us/border-crossing-increase.html

Doubtless this isn't going to hurt Trump's stand. It just makes it look like more of an emergency.

Interesting that Trumps CBP reports an 11 year high after he declares an emergency.  I guess we should just trust the numbers, huh?  This is the same CBP that had a literal web page saying a wall is a waste of taxpayer dollars?  Am I correct?

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DieChecker
8 minutes ago, Agent0range said:

Interesting that Trumps CBP reports an 11 year high after he declares an emergency.  I guess we should just trust the numbers, huh?  This is the same CBP that had a literal web page saying a wall is a waste of taxpayer dollars?  Am I correct?

I suspect it has more to do with people who want to come here believing the hype and so rushing to come across before the border is "locked down". I dont think any such lock down will happen. And I suspect when that becomes obvious, numbers will return to the much lower numbers we've gotten used to.

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16 minutes ago, Hankenhunter said:

His supporters don't care.  They believe anything he says.  I have had friends that we knew were compulsive liars.  They just said things, and we knew it was a lie...but that was them, and we laughed it off.  They couldn't help it.  Trump is equal to, or worse than that.  And before someone quotes me and tries to say I'm wrong...Tim Apple.  10% raises for the military.  I never heard of David Duke.  He would rather tell a lie than the truth.

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DieChecker

Veto.... BUILD THE WALL.... BUILD THE WALL.... BUILD THE WALL....

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On 2/18/2019 at 8:07 PM, Gromdor said:

Eh, that even makes it worse.  I guess the posters were saying we have to have this wall and it won't even solve all of our drug/immigration/crime/terrorism problems.

I doubt that any sane person believes it will solve all the problems.  The cost versus benefit makes it worth putting in place, however.  As I've said before, the only real answer to the problem is of a legislative/law enforcement nature.  Stop giving housing, food, medical and education to the masses that force their way in and financially cripple businesses that hire non-citizens.  The flow would dry up in a matter of weeks or months.  It would only take as long as the word of mouth to spread that we are serious.  Of course, citizens would then begin to see how much extra they'd be paying for everything from construction to lawn care and domestic help in businesses and private homes.  

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On 2/20/2019 at 5:13 PM, RavenHawk said:

We could organize militias for night-fire exercises.

:w00t:  "and the rocket's red glare..."  

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On 2/25/2019 at 6:58 AM, Gromdor said:

You really should post some pictures of a fence that worked.  Protesters got inside of the 2016 DNC in Philly. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/dnc-2016-protest-convention-democrats-latest-news-arrests-hillary-clinton-black-lives-matter-a7159501.html

Seven people in one day with hundreds of police officers guarding.

Not to mention these protestors who were already inside: http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2016/07/protesters-make-mayhem-during-hillarys-speech.html

and weren't deterred or hindered by the fence at all.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-starts-massive-fence-on-southern-border-with-jordan/

 

israel border fence.jpg

It stopped 99% of the illegal entry.  It has surveillance devices that allow them to respond when people start digging under or hoisting ladders.  It doesn't hurt that those trying to get in realize they'll be shot instead of given 3 hots and a cot, either.

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On 2/28/2019 at 10:16 AM, aztek said:

i love reading liberal msm i know whatever they report is actually the other way around. do not need to fact check, they constantly lie, it is proven over and over again.  "i love listening to lies knowing the truth"

When literally every one of those outlets has verbiage that is nearly identical, it's easy to see they are disseminating talking-points.  Nothing but propaganda.  Sure, a few facts will be thrown in.  The best lies are those that include a small amount of truth.  The gist of the message can be skewed so that the actual text doesn't really matter.  Then again, some of them are so blatant in their need to assassinate Trump's character or actions that they've become overtly childish in their attacks.  They're just a joke now.

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On 3/1/2019 at 11:38 AM, spud the mackem said:

How do they know how many illegals get through ,if they aren't caught .

It's easy, just look at the welfare roles in the states they land in.  Look at the numbers of new students or new patients in hospitals.  

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Gromdor
10 minutes ago, and then said:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-starts-massive-fence-on-southern-border-with-jordan/

 

israel border fence.jpg

It stopped 99% of the illegal entry.  It has surveillance devices that allow them to respond when people start digging under or hoisting ladders.  It doesn't hurt that those trying to get in realize they'll be shot instead of given 3 hots and a cot, either.

I think you hit on part of the reason why a fence works in Israel or Hungary and not the US.  The "sugar" behind the fence is what brings them in.  Israel has no "sugar".  The US has no motivation to remove that- even our president has a history of hiring illegals for decades. 

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10 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

I think you hit on part of the reason why a fence works in Israel or Hungary and not the US.  The "sugar" behind the fence is what brings them in.  Israel has no "sugar".  The US has no motivation to remove that- even our president has a history of hiring illegals for decades. 

Then the problem is our politicians more so than the illegals.  The fence should be around DC...along with some minefields and AAA batteries.

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South Alabam

There's a big difference between legal immigration and illegal immigration. Legals have been vetted for criminal history, diseases, the ability to speak basic English, etc.. Illegals can contain any known element. I have zero problem with legal immigration from any country or race. But as long as it make Trump look bad, hey let's keep letting illegals in to take your jobs and benefits.

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13 hours ago, and then said:

It's easy, just look at the welfare roles in the states they land in.  Look at the numbers of new students or new patients in hospitals.  

in nyc  vast majority of fruit stores\construction site\landscaping businesses, have illegals working for them, along with many other low paying jobs, and in some cases not so low paying. there is absolutely not hard to find illegals here, they are everywhere.

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Gromdor
1 hour ago, South Alabam said:

There's a big difference between legal immigration and illegal immigration. Legals have been vetted for criminal history, diseases, the ability to speak basic English, etc.. Illegals can contain any known element. I have zero problem with legal immigration from any country or race. But as long as it make Trump look bad, hey let's keep letting illegals in to take your jobs and benefits.

What's making him look bad is having numerous employees that were illegal aliens and keeping them around for decades.  Vetting of criminal history, diseases, and the ability to speak English didn't seem to matter when it comes to staffing and preparing food at Bedminster Golf Course with it's $350,000 initiation fee or being the caretaker of the Trump's hunting lodge: http://www.journalgazette.net/news/politics/20190307/undocumented-immigrant-worked-for-trumps

What's even more alarming is that some of them had secret security clearances to have access to the president and his rooms.

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third_eye
7 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

What's making him look bad is having numerous employees that were illegal aliens and keeping them around for decades. 

Its that curious Faustian pact that I've seen time and time again where the employers much prefers the illegal status of hired staff because it gives the employers absolute control over the staff

Do exactly as told or they'd be deported, the lower wage bracket figures predominantly in the equation too, they're not as demanding

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aztek
27 minutes ago, third_eye said:

Its that curious Faustian pact that I've seen time and time again where the employers much prefers the illegal status of hired staff because it gives the employers absolute control over the staff

Do exactly as told or they'd be deported, the lower wage bracket figures predominantly in the equation too, they're not as demanding

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nonsense. no one threatens illegals like this,  in fact illegals sue their employer for lower than min wage salaries. and win cases. in nyc

illegals are preferred for totally different reason, and it is actually a valid one, 

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South Alabam
47 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

What's making him look bad is having numerous employees that were illegal aliens and keeping them around for decades.  Vetting of criminal history, diseases, and the ability to speak English didn't seem to matter when it comes to staffing and preparing food at Bedminster Golf Course with it's $350,000 initiation fee or being the caretaker of the Trump's hunting lodge: http://www.journalgazette.net/news/politics/20190307/undocumented-immigrant-worked-for-trumps

What's even more alarming is that some of them had secret security clearances to have access to the president and his rooms.

Trump continually makes himself look bad, no doubt.

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