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aztek
1 hour ago, Desertrat56 said:

..............We don't need any NEW laws we need the current laws upheld, just like gun control, elections  and many other things that have fallen by the wayside.

you mean laws that were here during Clinton and Obama?  that is exactly what trump is doing.

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Tatetopa
1 hour ago, aztek said:

you mean laws that were here during Clinton and Obama?  that is exactly what trump is doing.

And Bush, don't forget George Bush.  That is exactly what Trump is talking about.  He is doing precious little about it.  The ICE raids over the weekend were an example.  He says that many people were apprehended but we just don't know about it.  Seems the immigrant and shelter communities didn't notice anything unusual over the weekend either.    If the ICE raids had netted one or two thousand criminals, that would have been big news for and a success to report.

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10 hours ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

 

 

you didn't notice she is WHITE?  :w00t:    C'mon man! 

white? She's more a sort of golden bronze.

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Speaking of ICE...... 

A reporter asked (separately) Alexander Casio-Wristwatch and Ilhmar Omar whether they would condemn the ANTIFA bomber of the ICE building as an act of domestic terrorism. 

Alexander Casio-Keyboard refused to answer, but stated that she would issue a statement later. She hasn't. 

Ilhmar Omar refused to answer, then (when she though the cameras where off) burst out laughing. 

Trump may have been being racist when he made his "go home" comment,. but I can't help but think that many Americans would have wholeheartedly agreed with him. There are American politicians who are actively working against American society. 

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South Alabam
2 hours ago, RoofGardener said:

Speaking of ICE...... 

A reporter asked (separately) Alexander Casio-Wristwatch and Ilhmar Omar whether they would condemn the ANTIFA bomber of the ICE building as an act of domestic terrorism. 

Alexander Casio-Keyboard refused to answer, but stated that she would issue a statement later. She hasn't. 

Ilhmar Omar refused to answer, then (when she though the cameras where off) burst out laughing. 

Trump may have been being racist when he made his "go home" comment,. but I can't help but think that many Americans would have wholeheartedly agreed with him. There are American politicians who are actively working against American society. 

In other words we have members of Congress who are fine with law enforcement being attacked and don't decry the attackers, much like the racist BLM member who targeted "White" Dallas Police Officers killing five and Obama failed to condemn it as an act of racism and not a peep from the media on that event But when Charlottesville happened and Trump failed to condemn the attacker, OMG what a racist Trump is. Hypocrites. https://www.dailywire.com/news/19689/flashback-after-black-radical-massacred-dallas-james-barrett

Here's what Trump had to say on that attack.

(Then-presidential candidate Trump did not mention black racists or BLM in his initial statement to the massacre either, tweeting instead, "Prayers and condolences to all of the families who are so thoroughly devastated by the horrors we are all watching take place in our country." In other words, he handled it similarly to the white supremacist terror attack in Charlottesville.

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skliss
14 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

And Bush, don't forget George Bush.  That is exactly what Trump is talking about.  He is doing precious little about it.  The ICE raids over the weekend were an example.  He says that many people were apprehended but we just don't know about it.  Seems the immigrant and shelter communities didn't notice anything unusual over the weekend either.    If the ICE raids had netted one or two thousand criminals, that would have been big news for and a success to report.

Since when do they report on any success Trump has? Don't hold your breath.

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skliss

I tried search but didn't see this any where. Sorry if it's been posted:

Feds charge 22 linked to MS-13 slayings, racketeering in Los Angeles 

A new indictment details gruesome killings that include machete mutilations and dumping bodies in the forest.

 

Citing a gruesome series of killings in Los Angeles in which one victim was dismembered and whose heart was cut out, a federal grand jury has indicted 22 alleged members or associates of the notorious MS-13 gang on charges that include racketeering and murder.

Five of the seven killings outlined in a new indictment involved the victims’ bodies being dumped in Angeles National Forest, according to court documents.

 

U.S. Attorney Nick Hanna said the gang is "believed to have killed 24 people over the past two years" in Los Angeles.

"This investigation has been an unqualified success," Hanna said. "The collaborative law enforcement effort solved several murder cases and dealt a severe blow to members of the gang who engaged in acts of brutality not seen in the region for over 20 years."

The 78-page grand jury indictment says 22 alleged members and associates of the MS-13 Fulton clique, based in the Los Angeles suburbs of the San Fernando Valley, engaged in common street gang business: narcotics sales, robberies, burglaries and extortion schemes.

But the indictment also details how those charged also used horrific violence to control members, protect territory and intimidate rivals

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Among the seven murders at the center of the 12-count indictment was the killing of an individual identified as "J.S.," who federal prosecutors said was choked and dismembered in March 2017 for crossing out MS-13 graffiti.

One alleged gang member "carved out J.S.'s heart," and others "threw J.S.'s body parts into a canyon" in the Angeles Forest, the indictment says.

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Hanna said that many of the people indicted are "extremely young" — only three of the 22 named in the indictment are older than 24 — and many came into the country within the last four years.

Nineteen of the 22 defendants "are in the country illegally," he said, two are U.S. citizens and one is a lawful permanent resident. Many of the victims are also recent immigrants to the U.S., Hanna said.

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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/feds-charge-22-linked-ms-13-slayings-racketeering-los-angeles-n1030231

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Feds charge 22 link13 slayingsracketeering in Los Angeles

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Feds charge 22 linked to MS-13 slayings, racketeering in Los Angeles

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RavenHawk
On 7/15/2019 at 2:48 PM, Phaeton80 said:

Interesting.. Willem seems to be a (rather recent) Dutch erm.. immigrant. :o

It’s things like this article that inflame and encourage these fascist groups like Antifa.  Oh yes, it is fascist.  What’s in a name but to deceive.  For those that grew up in the 50s and 60s, did you ever wonder why these Communist bloc nations had “Union”, “Democratic”, Republic”, and of course “Socialist” as part of their name and yet really weren’t any of those?

 

We have seen this before, in Nazi Germany and elsewhere, and we are seeing it again today in the United States. The thousands of deaths that take place in the borderlands and the thousands murdered by police are just a foretaste of what is possible.

Thousands?  There are stupid people that trek over thousands of miles of inhospitable terrain.  Committing suicide is entirely on their own hands.  And so is child endangerment dragging children across that same terrain, and not all of them are related.  This is not seeking asylum.  What thousands murdered by what police?  How many American’s have been killed by illegals?

 

In this regard, the Jewish people who are carrying out blockades against ICE are engaging in rational efforts to prevent the recurrence of the same unthinkable injustices that were perpetrated against their ancestors

If there are any Jews that think that then they are idiots because that is not what is going on.  And that goes for anybody else.  In Germany and conquered territories, Jews (citizens) were being rounded up and exterminated.  They weren’t being told that they are not wanted here or even that they were illegal.  Here, illegals are not being rounded up and exterminated.  They are being sent back to where they came from.  There are no showers or ovens.  But illegals say that they fear for their lives.  Our Founding Fathers feared for their lives too, but they stayed and fought for a new nation.  All those millions of migrants can certainly band together and take back their country.  That is of course, if they are seeking asylum.

 

If more people had chosen to take action to fight the rise of fascism in Italy and Germany, the Second World War might have been averted, and with it millions upon millions of lives would have been saved.

Agreed.  But the thing is, is that Fascism grows and spreads and becomes popular.  Today’s fascism is known as Progressivism.  We have to stand up against this by the millions and we will through the ballot box.

 

Let no one say it is “violent” to attack the infrastructure of ICE and the mercenaries who maintain it.

If that isn’t typical fascist speak.  Anarchy, Insurrection, & Treason *ARE* violence.

 

The real violence is the complicity of the Good Americans who do nothing as their neighbors are disappeared, just like those Good Germans who choose to ignore what was being done to their neighbors in the 1930s.

How messed up is this statement?!  Illegals are not our neighbors.  They don’t disappear, they are deported.  Good Americans see through this fascist propaganda.  If you don’t belong here, leave.  We are a nation of laws.  This has nothing to do with race.  Good Americans should not ignore what the Progressives are doing.  Call them out as Trump does.  If we do that, then we can avoid becoming another Nazi Germany or Venezuela

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Tatetopa
2 hours ago, skliss said:

Since when do they report on any success Trump has? Don't hold your breath.

You don't have to hold your breath, "they" do it every single day.  FOX News is the biggest most widely watched news channel on cable TV.  FOX is a very big part of MSM, they are as main stream and dominant as an organization can get.

DO you want to be the major force in US politics today or are you too attached to pretending to be the persecuted underdogs?

Trump may not be popular on Univision or BET, they have their sponsors and markets. .CNN and MSNBC don't like the President.  They are not your brand, don't watch.    FOX news is nearly as big as the two of them put together.  Watch FOX news if you like their coverage.    Was there anything on FOX news about the size of the weekend ICE raids?  

My point to start with is that President Trump makes a lot of noise, but he hasn't done much about this real problem.  Not much new barrier has been built if any, reports of construction all seem to be about survey, acquiring land and clearing.  Not much in the way of deporting illegal immigrants, either.  He is doing OK with criminals, nearly tied with Obama on deporting criminals.  But Bush and Clinton both built more wall and deported more illegal immigrants than President Trump is on track to do even during his second term.

He talks a good game, he energizes his base.

You reported on MS13 members being caught in a huge murder spree in LA.  THAT IS MARVELOUS NEWS!  Indeed it is.  That is what the Federal Government gang enforcement is supposed to be about.   They go after gang activity.  That is their focus.  Whether it is Crips, or Bloods, or Hell's Angels or MS13, drug dealers, human traffickers and murderers need to be taken out.  Excellent! 

It seems to give you that "The President told us they were rapists and murderers" satisfaction that many of them were illegal immigrants.   Fair enough., no denying the truth, many were here illegally.   

That wasn't  an ICE raid or a Presidential round up, that was Federal Law Enforcement as well as LA Police doing exactly what they are supposed to do; going after criminals no matter where they come from.

Best Regards.

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South Alabam

The Democrats are creating this crisis. Good argument.

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Gromdor
1 hour ago, South Alabam said:

The Democrats are creating this crisis. Good argument.

We don't want to hurt the children.  The Democrats are making us hurt the children by not doing what we want..........

You do realize that Republicans control the House, Senate and Presidency for the two years leading up to this.  With control of those three, they controlled the legislative agenda.  Republicans still control the Presidency and the Senate.  I realize Trump isn't much of a leader, but if you are looking at the likes of Pelosi to solve the problem you are going to have to hand over the driver's seat to a Democrat.

 

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21 hours ago, RoofGardener said:

Ilhmar Omar refused to answer, then (when she though the cameras where off) burst out laughing. 

Is it true that this woman married her brother to get into the country or to somehow gain citizenship? :o 

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There are American politicians who are actively working against American society. 

Personally, I think there's probably quite a few on both sides to be honest.  :lol: 

 

Wow, I just finished watching that video of Jim Jordan speaking with Homan and what I'd really like is for someone to please explain to me how you can keep encouraging illegal aliens not only to your country, but to be protected in your sanctuary cities when Homan began rattling off prime examples of rapes/murders COMMITTED BY ILLEGAL ALIENS to a baby girl at the age of 9 months to an elderly lady who was raped/murdered at 93 years old!!  :( 

I realise you cannot tar the whole lot with the same feathers, but how do you justify this by encouraging it and allow it to go on? 

Are you not fearful for your own country?

Do you not see what would happen if you become overrun with these illegal aliens?

Do you seriously think you're own family will always be safe in a country where it has allowed a massive influx of immigrants in, with cultures that will not necessarily integrate into your own society

I'm not talking about racism here.  I'm talking about Cultural differences.  Have you ever asked yourself what it would be like living amongst people who may NEVER respect your laws and way of life?Cultural differences are massive in today's world.  Look how it's affected some countries in the world and not for the good. 

What sort of cultural identity will the US end up having in the future?  

Are you going to say it's up to the Democrats to change it?

Or the Republicans to change it?

How, if they refuse to work together?

Sorry, but that video was quite an eye opener.  It's very sad when you read where there are a number of people who actually encourage open borders and protecting illegal immigrants for the US.  :( 

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RoofGardener
3 hours ago, Gromdor said:

We don't want to hurt the children.  The Democrats are making us hurt the children by not doing what we want..........

You do realize that Republicans control the House, Senate and Presidency for the two years leading up to this.  With control of those three, they controlled the legislative agenda.  Republicans still control the Presidency and the Senate.  I realize Trump isn't much of a leader, but if you are looking at the likes of Pelosi to solve the problem you are going to have to hand over the driver's seat to a Democrat.

 

It takes time to pass a bill. 

President Trump tried to expedite things using Executive Orders. 

The left-wing got 'tame' judges to block those EO's judicially. Their decisions are being overturned by the Supreme Court, but the damage - the delay - has been done. 

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RoofGardener
16 minutes ago, pixiii said:

Is it true that this woman married her brother to get into the country or to somehow gain citizenship? :o 

Personally, I think there's probably quite a few on both sides to be honest.  :lol: 

Snopes did a 'fact-check' on this story, and came up with the conclusion of "unproven". Ilhan Omar is very cagey about the situation, and there ARE some odd anomalies in her relationships. However, it is not proven. 

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ilhan-omar-marry-brother/ 

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Gwynbleidd
28 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

Snopes did a 'fact-check' on this story, and came up with the conclusion of "unproven". Ilhan Omar is very cagey about the situation, and there ARE some odd anomalies in her relationships. However, it is not proven. 

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ilhan-omar-marry-brother/ 

Thanks @RoofGardener :)  I prefer to steer clear of snopes nowdays.  They used to be good in the early days of the web but have developed quite the liberal bias nowdays. Unfortunately, finding the truth with an objective answer on these things is almost impossible sadly.  It's either swinging to the far left or the far right.  Here's 3 examples for you http://www.truthwiki.org/snopes-snopes-com/ >>>  https://www.forbes.com/sites/kalevleetaru/2016/12/22/the-daily-mail-snopes-story-and-fact-checking-the-fact-checkers/#4502f859227f  >>>  https://www.quora.com/Is-Snopes-biased-Why-do-some-people-believe-Snopes-is-biased?share=1 

My apologies, I don't mean to drag off topic. 

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I'll a lot of times link to Politifact, Snopes, CNN, or Huffington, to post facts, as it eliminates the leftist chanting of facts from a bad source.

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RoofGardener
4 hours ago, pixiii said:

Thanks @RoofGardener :)  I prefer to steer clear of snopes nowdays.  They used to be good in the early days of the web but have developed quite the liberal bias nowdays. Unfortunately, finding the truth with an objective answer on these things is almost impossible sadly.  It's either swinging to the far left or the far right.  Here's 3 examples for you http://www.truthwiki.org/snopes-snopes-com/ >>>  https://www.forbes.com/sites/kalevleetaru/2016/12/22/the-daily-mail-snopes-story-and-fact-checking-the-fact-checkers/#4502f859227f  >>>  https://www.quora.com/Is-Snopes-biased-Why-do-some-people-believe-Snopes-is-biased?share=1 

My apologies, I don't mean to drag off topic. 

Personally, I find the story highly unlikely. 

A key factor in this is the fact that Ilhan's entire family was granted asylum. Why would her younger brother end up in the UK, and why would he then need to resort to shennanigens to get US citizenship, only to subsequently return to the UK ? 

In addition, Ilhan claims that she is the youngest of her siblings, so she couldn't HAVE a younger brother. 

Shades of the Obama birther conspiracies, perhaps  ?

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South Alabam
6 hours ago, pixiii said:

Is it true that this woman married her brother to get into the country or to somehow gain citizenship? :o 

Personally, I think there's probably quite a few on both sides to be honest.  :lol: 

 

Wow, I just finished watching that video of Jim Jordan speaking with Homan and what I'd really like is for someone to please explain to me how you can keep encouraging illegal aliens not only to your country, but to be protected in your sanctuary cities when Homan began rattling off prime examples of rapes/murders COMMITTED BY ILLEGAL ALIENS to a baby girl at the age of 9 months to an elderly lady who was raped/murdered at 93 years old!!  :( 

I realise you cannot tar the whole lot with the same feathers, but how do you justify this by encouraging it and allow it to go on? 

Are you not fearful for your own country?

Do you not see what would happen if you become overrun with these illegal aliens?

Do you seriously think you're own family will always be safe in a country where it has allowed a massive influx of immigrants in, with cultures that will not necessarily integrate into your own society

I'm not talking about racism here.  I'm talking about Cultural differences.  Have you ever asked yourself what it would be like living amongst people who may NEVER respect your laws and way of life?Cultural differences are massive in today's world.  Look how it's affected some countries in the world and not for the good. 

What sort of cultural identity will the US end up having in the future?  

Are you going to say it's up to the Democrats to change it?

Or the Republicans to change it?

How, if they refuse to work together?

Sorry, but that video was quite an eye opener.  It's very sad when you read where there are a number of people who actually encourage open borders and protecting illegal immigrants for the US.  :( 

That is the problem with America: A two party system. It is like one side is good, one side is evil. One side is a defense attorney, a one is a prosecuting attorney. One sees things one way, one sees things the other way. It is a constant battle to get anything done in America, and rarely do they see eye to eye except in bi-partisan actions.

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aztek
7 hours ago, RoofGardener said:

Snopes did a 'fact-check' on this story, and came up with the conclusion of "unproven". Ilhan Omar is very cagey about the situation, and there ARE some odd anomalies in her relationships. However, it is not proven. 

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ilhan-omar-marry-brother/ 

not hard to prove, just look at her immigration papers, of course snoops can't check those,  but DHS can, unless her friends liberals, destroyed them and removed her file, but if it is the case ,than obviously something was covered up. and it would warrant special investigation

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RoofGardener
25 minutes ago, aztek said:

not hard to prove, just look at her immigration papers, of course snoops can't check those,  but DHS can, unless her friends liberals, destroyed them and removed her file, but if it is the case ,than obviously something was covered up. and it would warrant special investigation

Meh.. I'm coming to the conclusion that the "brother" aspect is just a baseless smear. However, there is something decidely odd about her chain "muslim" marriages. 

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Omar's marriages have received scrutiny from mainstream outlets after the Minnesota Campaign Finance and Public Disclosure Board revealed that the Minnesota Democrat had filed taxes with a man to whom she was not legally married while she was married to another man.

The Washington Examiner obtained dozens of documents in June that indicate Omar lived with her current husband, Ahmed Abdisalan Hirsi while marred to her second husband Ahmed Nur Said Elmi. Social media posts also indicate Omar might have committed perjury in divorce documents in which she claimed to not have had contact with Elmi since their religious divorce in 2011.

 

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/watch-trump-claims-theres-a-lot-of-talk-about-ilhan-omar-being-married-to-her-brother

 

this is even better, a good lawyer can argue Islamic traditional marriage, blah blah,,,  however he can not argue against fraudulent tax filing,only legally married couples can file joint taxes, she filed joint taxes with someone she was not officially married as per us law. 

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On 7/17/2019 at 5:53 AM, South Alabam said:

In other words we have members of Congress who are fine with law enforcement being attacked and don't decry the attackers, much like the racist BLM member who targeted "White" Dallas Police Officers killing five and Obama failed to condemn it as an act of racism and not a peep from the media on that event But when Charlottesville happened and Trump failed to condemn the attacker, OMG what a racist Trump is. Hypocrites. https://www.dailywire.com/news/19689/flashback-after-black-radical-massacred-dallas-james-barrett

Here's what Trump had to say on that attack.

(Then-presidential candidate Trump did not mention black racists or BLM in his initial statement to the massacre either, tweeting instead, "Prayers and condolences to all of the families who are so thoroughly devastated by the horrors we are all watching take place in our country." In other words, he handled it similarly to the white supremacist terror attack in Charlottesville.

There are great people on both sides. Yeah.

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Earl.Of.Trumps
22 hours ago, skliss said:

Nineteen of the 22 defendants "are in the country illegally,"

I would love to know what their criminal record was when they were in the sad sack country of their birth. 
But we have to accept and embrace these people because dems tell us to. 

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Gromdor
3 minutes ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

I would love to know what their criminal record was when they were in the sad sack country of their birth. 
But we have to accept and embrace these people because dems tell us to. 

Weird, Obama would have deported them.  I'm thinking it's because the guy in charge of or border and deportations just doesn't know how to manage his resources and do his job.  Wasn't this most recent ICE sweep supposed to round up people like this?  Granted, Obama would have done the raid without telling the world a month in advance.

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Earl.Of.Trumps
9 hours ago, RoofGardener said:

Snopes did a 'fact-check' on this story, and came up with the conclusion of "unproven". Ilhan Omar is very cagey about the situation, and there ARE some odd anomalies in her relationships. However, it is not proven. 

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ilhan-omar-marry-brother/ 

Don't worry, the newspapers in Minnesota are working on this. She supposedly married a cousin too, as I heard today. But we'll see.
BY looking at Omar right now, I say she won't be reelected. I think the people in her district are feeling that they made a big *OOPS*

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