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Mexico border wall: Trump defends emergency

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Earl.Of.Trumps
6 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

Weird, Obama would have deported them.  I'm thinking it's because the guy in charge of or border and deportations just doesn't know how to manage his resources and do his job.  Wasn't this most recent ICE sweep supposed to round up people like this?  Granted, Obama would have done the raid without telling the world a month in advance.

You sound like a dissatisfied right winger lol

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Gromdor
2 minutes ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

You sound like a dissatisfied right winger lol

Is that what they sound like these days?  Bodes ill for re-election time.

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Desertrat56
15 minutes ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

Don't worry, the newspapers in Minnesota are working on this. She supposedly married a cousin too, as I heard today. But we'll see.
BY looking at Omar right now, I say she won't be reelected. I think the people in her district are feeling that they made a big *OOPS*

"She supposedly married a cousin" ??? What does that have to do with anything?   The only reason I can think of to bring it up is to make people react emotionally to something that may or may not be true, an allegation irrelevant to the conversation, to put people against her without actually saying anything real.  If she did marry a cousin, was it illegal? If not, then so what. 

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Gromdor
8 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

"She supposedly married a cousin" ??? What does that have to do with anything?   The only reason I can think of to bring it up is to make people react emotionally to something that may or may not be true, an allegation irrelevant to the conversation, to put people against her without actually saying anything real.  If she did marry a cousin, was it illegal? If not, then so what. 

It's so they can attack her character, basically.  If people view her as less than an average human, they can get away with treating her the same way.

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Desertrat56
Just now, Gromdor said:

It's so they can attack her character, basically.  If people view her as less than an average human, they can get away with treating her the same way.

Right, my point exactly, and Earl of Trumps repeating it indicates he was hooked by it.  There is not critical thinking classes in school any more, bit lots of how to manipulate lessons are taught.

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Tatetopa
10 hours ago, pixiii said:

Are you not fearful for your own country?

Do you not see what would happen if you become overrun with these illegal aliens?

Do you seriously think you're own family will always be safe in a country where it has allowed a massive influx of immigrants in, with cultures that will not necessarily integrate into your own society

Greetings.

Statistics are dull.  Both sides pick out individual stories to illustrate their point.  They are true, but maybe do not give a complete picture of what is going on.

I am not going to defend open borders because I do not support the concept.  People that come to the US should do so through entry points.  We do rely heavily on Hispanic labor in agriculture and other industries.

I will tell you that America is a big place.  I grew up in the Southwest.  Spanish culture is not an invader here, it was the second culture after the Indians.  Spanish expeditions were crossing the Southwest 100 years before the first settlements in the 13 colonies.  All of these major modern cities: San Francisco, Los Angeles, San Diego, El Paso, Laredo, San Antonio, Albuquerque and many others started out as Spanish Catholic missions around 1700.  The Southwest was part of Mexico before it became part of the US.  Many people have families on both sides of the border and cultural influences are not stopped at the border.  Our food and our housing reflect some of that Spanish and Mexican influence.  Our English is full of Spanish words.

The Hispanic US citizens I know are religious, family oriented, hard working and honest.  I work with them, they are my neighbors, they are my grandparent's neighbors.  We laugh at  the same things, we share meals and special treats, we depend on each other at work.  We borrow tools and loan tools . We help each other, we do not fear our neighbors.  They are integrated into our society

When we hear of a family member that has come up to work illegally, we think of them as people, not ravenous animals. 

SO, it is still illegal to cross the border without permission and  they need to be sent back home.   I want them to be sent back.  I do tend to sympathize somewhat, I want them treated with some basic consideration as humans.  I don't want them to be beat up, thrown in cages, or treated like dirt. That is the beef I have with the current system, not that we send people back.  

Immigrants in the Southwest from the Southwest seem a bit different to me than those that come from further afield, more familiar in a sense.  I have also worked with Ukranian and Polish tool and die makers that are as good as they get.  My Syrian neighbors watch football and do about the same things I do with my wife and our kids.  I suppose they have a different religion, but that doesn't impact me much.  I do know they enjoy the freedom of America and don't want Sharia law.

So, personally, I feel safe in my neighborhood.  My parents have always been safe.  My grandmother's neighbor Mrs. Morales checks on my grandmother most days. 

Pixiii, I do not deny the truth of the story you saw.  All of us that are working family people are concerned about gangs and criminals of all colors and want strong law enforcement to deal with them.

As for danger, you could select enough stories to convince yourself that white southern women are more likely to be assaulted and killed by their partners or husbands than by strangers.  You could also list a string of stories about white American men buying 12 year old girls for sex or molesting and impregnating their own daughters.  Those are true too.  Most of the school shooters, mall shooters, and church shooters are white born and raised Americans.  I don't believe they represent more than an aberration.   Most people are decent, honest, and hard working.

My point of view based on my experience only, I don't claim to speak for the masses.  Cheers.

 

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aztek
1 hour ago, Gromdor said:

It's so they can attack her character, basically.  If people view her as less than an average human, they can get away with treating her the same way.

so that would mean there are not average humans, so you already have a division in your mind,  so why complain when someone else divides people. you are doing exactly the same thing,

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RavenHawk
20 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

You don't have to hold your breath, "they" do it every single day.  FOX News is the biggest most widely watched news channel on cable TV.  FOX is a very big part of MSM, they are as main stream and dominant as an organization can get.

In this case, “biggest most widely watched” isn’t the indicator of whether something is MSM or not.  MSM usually refers to the propaganda arm of the Progressives.  The MSM runs about 96% negative toward President Trump.  FOX is about 52% positive.  Far more balanced and people see that.  That is why FOX’s viewership is rising.  The MSM assumes that viewers are stupid.  This is true only for a few of the most vocal.

 

DO you want to be the major force in US politics today or are you too attached to pretending to be the persecuted underdogs?

It’s not pretending.  It’s more about uncertainty.  If one tries to callout the bad stuff, one is usually casted and attacked as a racist among other things.  It’s that stigma that creates uncertainty.  That is how the minority terrorizes the majority.  I think that in time, this will change, but we’ll need to get through another election seeing Trump winning a second term.  By this time, the Socialists will be well marginalized.

 

Trump may not be popular on Univision or BET, they have their sponsors and markets. .CNN and MSNBC don't like the President.  They are not your brand, don't watch.    FOX news is nearly as big as the two of them put together.  Watch FOX news if you like their coverage.    Was there anything on FOX news about the size of the weekend ICE raids?  

I used to watch several to get different points of view.  But over the past dozen years or so, I noticed how it was becoming homogenized and Left leaning.  Today, I rarely do watch anything else but FOX because the rest have become a joke.  It’s hard to stomach.  They have reneged on their 1st Amendment rights as the 4th Estate.  It’s really sad.

 

My point to start with is that President Trump makes a lot of noise, but he hasn't done much about this real problem.  Not much new barrier has been built if any, reports of construction all seem to be about survey, acquiring land and clearing.  Not much in the way of deporting illegal immigrants, either.  He is doing OK with criminals, nearly tied with Obama on deporting criminals.  But Bush and Clinton both built more wall and deported more illegal immigrants than President Trump is on track to do even during his second term.

Yes, Trump makes a lot of noise but it is not without purpose.  I.e. by supporting Pelosi, has made her a target of the Squad and that has branded the Democrats as Socialists.  Very devious.  Trump is dealing with more opposition too.  Bush, Clinton, & Obama were all part of the Establishment.  Trump is not.  He has to take on the Establishment before he can accomplish these things on the scale he wants.  He’s fighting and winning the smaller battles first to get everything in place for that final push.

 

He talks a good game, he energizes his base.

Yes he does.  He’s uplifting and positive.  He returns pride back to a nation that had to suffer the apology tour.  It’s the difference between night and day.  Those that fear the daylight wallow in hatred in the darkness.

 

You reported on MS13 members being caught in a huge murder spree in LA. 

THAT IS MARVELOUS NEWS!  Indeed it is.  That is what the Federal Government gang enforcement is supposed to be about.   They go after gang activity.  That is their focus.  Whether it is Crips, or Bloods, or Hell's Angels or MS13, drug dealers, human traffickers and murderers need to be taken out.  Excellent! 

Domestic gangs where not the focus of this latest raid.  It was a trial run for what is to come.  Somehow, I wonder if that announcing the raids where a planned distraction to catch the MS13 members?  The first time was to set up surveillance on MS13 – see what they do, where they go.  The second time sprung the trap??  It was a way to get around sanctuary cities.  The next step is to go after those that have had due process and have been ordered to leave.  Now, the sanctuary cities can try to interfere but it won’t help. 

 

It seems to give you that "The President told us they were rapists and murderers" satisfaction that many of them were illegal immigrants.   Fair enough., no denying the truth, many were here illegally.   

The President didn’t have to tell us they were rapists and murderers.  All illegals are criminals.  Not all are rapists and murderers.

 

That wasn't  an ICE raid or a Presidential round up, that was Federal Law Enforcement as well as LA Police doing exactly what they are supposed to do; going after criminals no matter where they come from.

LAPD does not work with ICE.  They hvae no jurisdiction over MS13, if they are illegal.  If they are arrested by LAPD, they are held only long enough for their lawyers to get them released. 

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Tatetopa
3 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

LAPD does not work with ICE.  They hvae no jurisdiction over MS13, if they are illegal.  If they are arrested by LAPD, they are held only long enough for their lawyers to get them released. 

Exactly.  LAPD does not go after gang members because they are illegal, they go after them because they are criminals.  Is that not reason enough?  

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RavenHawk
7 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

Exactly.  LAPD does not go after gang members because they are illegal, they go after them because they are criminals.  Is that not reason enough?  

And they can only arrest and jail them in a city jail.  Their lawyer then gets them released and because LAPD and LA Courts do not work with ICE, i.e. not to notify ICE when they are released, they go scot-free and disappear again.

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aztek

so lapd just lets them out, so they kill more,  what a wonderful solution,  i can tell, liberal minds worked hard at it.  

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RavenHawk
4 minutes ago, aztek said:

so lapd just lets them out, so they kill more,  what a wonderful solution,  i can tell, liberal minds worked hard at it.  

That’s the frustration.  These liberals hate Trump more than they care for their own people.  Isn’t that the Palestinian mentality, but with Israel?

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RoofGardener
2 hours ago, Desertrat56 said:

"She supposedly married a cousin" ??? What does that have to do with anything?   The only reason I can think of to bring it up is to make people react emotionally to something that may or may not be true, an allegation irrelevant to the conversation, to put people against her without actually saying anything real.  If she did marry a cousin, was it illegal? If not, then so what. 

I find your attitude... revealing. 

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Space Commander Travis
1 hour ago, aztek said:

so that would mean there are not average humans, so you already have a division in your mind,  so why complain when someone else divides people. you are doing exactly the same thing,

Sometimes your arguments are on a higher plane than ordinary people.

i.e. once again, as so often, I haven't the faintest idea what you're talking about.

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Space Commander Travis
1 hour ago, Tatetopa said:

Exactly.  LAPD does not go after gang members because they are illegal, they go after them because they are criminals.  Is that not reason enough?  

now there's a fine distinction worthy of speculating what the meaning of  is is. They're criminal, but they're not necessarily illegal?  :cry:

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Space Commander Travis
54 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

That’s the frustration.  These liberals hate Trump more than they care for their own people.  Isn’t that the Palestinian mentality, but with Israel?

and congratulations for getting in a complete non sequitur about the Palestinians. That gets this week's award for completely irrelevant insertion of one's particular obsession. 

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DieChecker

https://onenewsnow.com/politics-govt/2019/07/15/poll-aoc-omar-sinking-dems-ship

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"Ocasio-Cortez was recognized by 74 percent of voters in the poll; 22 percent had a favorable view,” Axios divulged from the poll. “Rep. Ilhan Omar of Minnesota – another member of The Squad – was recognized by 53 percent of the voters; 9 percent (not a typo) had a favorable view.”

Now this was mainly white, less educated, people, so they generally give liberals a lower side rating. But, the point of the poll was swing state, swing voters. Who are predominantly white and less educated.

I think these girl may be popular in the home districts, but their words are spelling doom to the party, since they are so loud.

Pelosi's got her hands full with these girls.

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skliss
23 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

They are not your brand, don't watch.   

Why wouldn't I watch? Of course I want both sides, it makes no sense to only watch one. That limits my access to information. I get that some need a steady diet of ego confirming bias..that's not me. And, as usual, there is a misrepresentation of Fox who tells not only the good but the bad and the neutral, as well.

On 7/17/2019 at 4:05 PM, Tatetopa said:

Was there anything on FOX news about the size of the weekend ICE raids?  

Of course and also the truth that the only people that were being picked up were those that didn't qualify for asylum after their cases were adjudicated...unlike other stations

On 7/17/2019 at 4:05 PM, Tatetopa said:

My point to start with is that President Trump makes a lot of noise, but he hasn't done much about this real problem. 

Could it be because he's getting no cooperation? That he's being blocked at every point by people who refuse to pass legislation to help with conditions for those they pretend to cry about in front of empty parking lots? That's the truly inhumane part...that they could pass relief measures but they dont so they can whine and shed crocodile tears and pretend its all Trumps fault. I guess you bought into it.

On 7/17/2019 at 4:05 PM, Tatetopa said:

That wasn't  an ICE raid or a Presidential round up, that was Federal Law Enforcement as well as LA Police doing exactly what they are supposed to do; going after criminals no matter where they come f

Of course it is...Unfortunately we have Dems who actively oppose and hamper investigations that could round up even more of these horrifying monsters. And you seem more worried about these captures making Trump look good, so anxious to throw out there no Trump! dont look here !, Nothing to see! than you seem concerned that they murdered 24 people in truly henious ways. 

The fact is...and you seem irritated by it....that they ARE illegals and they shouldn't be here...and the officials in these cities who hamper ICE should face federal charges.  Ask the parents of the murder victims if they agree.

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skliss
13 hours ago, pixiii said:

Is it true that this woman married her brother to get into the country or to somehow gain citizenship? :o 

Personally, I think there's probably quite a few on both sides to be honest.  :lol: 

 

Wow, I just finished watching that video of Jim Jordan speaking with Homan and what I'd really like is for someone to please explain to me how you can keep encouraging illegal aliens not only to your country, but to be protected in your sanctuary cities when Homan began rattling off prime examples of rapes/murders COMMITTED BY ILLEGAL ALIENS to a baby girl at the age of 9 months to an elderly lady who was raped/murdered at 93 years old!!  :( 

I realise you cannot tar the whole lot with the same feathers, but how do you justify this by encouraging it and allow it to go on? 

Are you not fearful for your own country?

Do you not see what would happen if you become overrun with these illegal aliens?

Do you seriously think you're own family will always be safe in a country where it has allowed a massive influx of immigrants in, with cultures that will not necessarily integrate into your own society

I'm not talking about racism here.  I'm talking about Cultural differences.  Have you ever asked yourself what it would be like living amongst people who may NEVER respect your laws and way of life?Cultural differences are massive in today's world.  Look how it's affected some countries in the world and not for the good. 

What sort of cultural identity will the US end up having in the future?  

Are you going to say it's up to the Democrats to change it?

Or the Republicans to change it?

How, if they refuse to work together?

Sorry, but that video was quite an eye opener.  It's very sad when you read where there are a number of people who actually encourage open borders and protecting illegal immigrants for the US.  :( 

They have no desire to fix it because then they couldn't blame Trump for it....AND...they would have nothing to run on for 2020. God forbid it gets fixed under Trumps watch and he gets credit for solving it. They rather have people raped and killed, they probably live in fly over states anyway.

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https://www.economist.com/democracy-in-america/2019/07/17/donald-trumps-border-wall-reaches-the-supreme-court

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Donald Trump’s border wall reaches the Supreme Court

Won't be long now. Tractors will be moving by the end of the month...

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DieChecker

https://wbckfm.com/someone-from-mexico-can-pay-for-the-wall/

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SOMEONE FROM MEXICO CAN PAY FOR THE WALL

 

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Yesterday, the Mexican drug kingpin Joaquin “El Chapo” Guzman was sentenced to life behind bars in a U.S. prison.

It has been widely reported that the 62-year-old drug lord, who had been protected in Mexico by an elaborate corruption operation within the Mexican government is worth about $13 billion

....

Senator Ted Cruz introduced the EL CHAPO Act which would reserve any amounts forfeited to the United States Government by El Chapo (Joaquin Archivaldo Guzman Loera) for security measures along the Southern border, including the completion of a border wall. 

Wall paid for? By Mexico?

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skliss
3 hours ago, Desertrat56 said:

"She supposedly married a cousin" ??? What does that have to do with anything?   The only reason I can think of to bring it up is to make people react emotionally to something that may or may not be true, an allegation irrelevant to the conversation, to put people against her without actually saying anything real.  If she did marry a cousin, was it illegal? If not, then so what. 

Because supposedly shes marrying and then divorcing relatives in order to buck the system and gain them entrance to the U.S. illegally via the chain migration system. That's a concern.  In most states that I know of its illegal to marry your brother and/or a 1st cousin.

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Desertrat56
2 minutes ago, skliss said:

Because supposedly shes marrying and then divorcing relatives in order to buck the system and gain them entrance to the U.S. illegally via the chain migration system. That's a concern.  In most states that I know of its illegal to marry your brother and/or a 1st cousin.

Not just most states in the U.S.  All states in the U.S and most of the rest of the world. 

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RavenHawk
On 7/16/2019 at 4:10 PM, Desertrat56 said:

You have no idea what you are talking about.  You need to turn the television off and go for a walk, talk to someone face to face.  As my dad used to say, "get outside and blow the stink off of you".  :lol:

Wow…  How embarrassing and to think we are fellow Burquenos.  You must be a liberal from the sNob Hill area?

 

For one thing, no one can comprare  a mail order bride to an asylum seeker,

1) she was not a mail order bride.

2) they are not an asylum seeker.

3)  That’s the point, that you can’t compare one that is a bit over anxious and someone clearly breaking the law.

 

for another, most of the people seeking asylum are not using false pretenses. 

Yes they are.  It is customary to seek asylum in the very next nation you come to.  How can it be asylum by shopping around?  The United States does not have a monopoly on places for asylum seekers.

 

AND they DON"T get public assistance.

Yes they do.  They can get housing, EBT cards, medical, send their children to schools, etc.

 

You have to be a citizen to get public assistance in the U.S. 

That used to be the case.  If we returned to that, it wouldn’t really matter if we had an open border or not.  Just allow the police to do their jobs.

 

Maybe you are talking about some other country, not the U.S. 

I wish I was.  But other countries don’t give out handouts.

 

Welfare is dependent on each state to decide how they will manage it and who gets it. 

How ‘bout that!  What do you think sanctuary states and cities provide?

 

The states would loose their federal funding if they gave it to illegal immigrants no matter why they are here or how the got here. 

Trump has threatened to do that but is getting push back with these liberal courts.

 

The kind of public assistance the asylum seekers get consists of detainment until paperwork is complete,

Right, wink-wink.  Many are not detained and only given a court date to which very few ever show up to.  You don’t know this and you live here in Albuquerque?  The Progressives in Congress refuse to provide more funds for detainment.

 

then they either get sent back or they are expected to get a job and contribute. 

They can’t be sent back if they are not in custody.

 

That is the way it is designed. 

That may be the way it was designed??  It’s not that clear and that’s not how it works in reality.

 

If it is not working that way then the Federales need to buck up and fix it.  We don't need any NEW laws we need the current laws upheld,

No $-hit but our lawmakers are not interested.  The Progressives keep espousing that they want a comprehensive solution but that is only code for codifying an open border.  What is needed is to shut down the border so tight that not even a flee can cross.  Only then can a solution be developed.  An open border is conducive to the saying “it is easier to ask forgiveness than it is to ask for permission”.  An open border only encourages abuse.

 

just like gun control, elections  and many other things that have fallen by the wayside.

There we agree.

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