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Hammerclaw
15 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

It's great for those of a romantic heart. Not much good for anything else. 

You know how to tell if you have a romantic heart? It bruises, easily.

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XenoFish
Just now, Hammerclaw said:

You know how to tell if you have a romantic heart? It bruises, easil

Which sucks. Leaves scars till it become jaded and turned bitter by the harshness of life, perhaps it's just a process of turning what will be a lump of coal into a diamond...

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Hammerclaw
1 minute ago, XenoFish said:

Which sucks. Leaves scars till it become jaded and turned bitter by the harshness of life, perhaps it's just a process of turning what will be a lump of coal into a diamond...

Diamonds are forever.

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XenoFish
2 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

Diamonds are forever.

A diamonds only value is the belief in its worth.

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Hammerclaw
Just now, XenoFish said:

A diamonds only value is the belief in its worth.

I'm a believer.

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Luca-Rosemom 19
15 minutes ago, Sherapy said:

So you decided to get back up, and in the process you have nurtured resilience.

Geez, reading what you have been through from your Dad is heart wrenching.

I think your temper has saved your life, probably caused you some issues too, Lol  you can definitely set boundaries, as you mature ( no offense meant ) your anger will refine itself into advocating for other's it already is in some ways. 

I sure appreciated your help yesterday, and want to tell you if you ever need a friend pm me. 

 

He’s a great guy, I’m lucky to call him my best friend 

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Aquila King
13 minutes ago, Sherapy said:

if you ever need a friend pm me. 

Lol, my "anger" led to the mods here permanently shutting down my messenger a while back. :lol: So I guess if you wanna chat then drop by the DA thread in Off-Topic and I'll definately be there. ;)

Thank you though. Seriously. Saying you're a good person cannot be overstated.

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Hammerclaw
2 hours ago, Liquid Gardens said:

Keep in mind you never have to defend yourself against what someone else is literally imagining about you, they just do that (and misrepresent and straw man you) to avoid engaging with your actual position.

If you only selectively read the parts that back up that falsehood. He's engaged on all levels, here and received honest criticism, something you evidently loath, except when you're the one dishing it out. You, who always feel so free to trounce on what you perceive as absurdity. Tsk, Tsk. Rather disingenuous of you, old boy.

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psyche101
8 hours ago, Aquila King said:

What first helped me to understand the concept wasn't the actual science funny enough, it was an analogy. I don't remember who said it, but I saw someone argue once how there was no first man who suddenly woke up and spoke English. English, like all other languages, slowly evolved and changed into what it is today naturally over time. Different accents and dialects grew in different areas, words changed, pronunciation changed, definitions changed, spelling changed, etc. Until eventually you end up with a whole new language.

I think for a lot of creationists, they reject the evidence for evolution because they have a hard time accurately understanding the big picture. They see all these different animals and living organisms in isolation from one another now, and it's pretty hard for them to see them all linked together. That's why they often make arguments that fundamentally show a misunderstanding of the theory of evolution in general. Like "there are no transitional species" or " at what point did apes evolve into man?" The only person who asks such questions is someone who doesn't even understand the basic premise of evolution to begin with.

For sure, the problem with Carson though is he cannot plead ignorance. His accomplishments show he has access to greater understanding. 

Ignorance I can understand, deliberate ignorance is another thing altogether though. Ignorance can be overcome  not so much with deliberate ignorance. 

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Luca-Rosemom 19
1 minute ago, psyche101 said:

For sure, the problem with Carson though is he cannot plead ignorance. His accomplishments show he has access to greater understanding. 

Ignorance I can understand, deliberate ignorance is another thing altogether though. Ignorance can be overcome  not so much with deliberate ignorance. 

Sounds like dogmatic people 

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Aquila King
4 minutes ago, psyche101 said:

For sure, the problem with Carson though is he cannot plead ignorance. His accomplishments show he has access to greater understanding. 

Ignorance I can understand, deliberate ignorance is another thing altogether though. Ignorance can be overcome  not so much with deliberate ignorance. 

There are none more blind as those who will not see.

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Sherapy
22 minutes ago, Ruby04 said:

He’s a great guy, I’m lucky to call him my best friend 

Ruby, I will PM you with contact info for AK if this is okay with him and you. 

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psyche101
12 minutes ago, Ruby04 said:

Sounds like dogmatic people 

Ben Carson is supposedly going to attempt presidency. It's a worry that such a deliberately ignorant personality can get so far. That's a big flaw in the system IMHO. 

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Aquila King
5 minutes ago, psyche101 said:

Ben Carson is supposedly going to attempt presidency. It's a worry that such a deliberately ignorant personality can get so far. That's a big flaw in the system IMHO. 

Deliberately ignorant is a good description of him. He's smart enough to know better.

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eight bits
18 minutes ago, psyche101 said:

Ben Carson is supposedly going to attempt presidency.

He already did, in 2016. He was one of the several Republican contenders whom Trump beat for the nomination. It is not unusual for such people to end up with cabinet appointments, as he has. He'll be 73 in September 2024, so it is possible that he may try again that year. The public emergence of his unusual views was a factor in his withdrawal from the 2016 race, so I'd be surprised if he'd have any traction in 2024.

But then, I was surprised that Trump won in 2016. Pay no attention to me as a political prognosticator.

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Mr Walker
9 hours ago, XenoFish said:

Some people choose to live in vans, cargo trailers, sheds, and campers to save money, other do it because of poor choices. 

Off grid homesteading seems to have gotten quite popular as of late. 

It even works in towns.

We have  a house block of 1400 square  metres in a town. We also have solar panels and battery and  about 6000 gallons of rain water  That's enough to run the house off the grid and to provide most of our fruit and veges (30 fruit trees and vines and  a couple of big vege patches) Not for everyone, but it is fun, keeps you fit, and almost eliminates   water and electricity costs.  It also provides organic fresh fruit and veges., year round .  if i could afford it I would buy an electric car and recharge from solar . 

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psyche101
33 minutes ago, Aquila King said:

Deliberately ignorant is a good description of him. He's smart enough to know better.

Exactly, as 8 Bits pointed out, he already has had a go at it. I'd hope the leader of such a great nation would be better than that, but as 8 Bits said, Trump got in. Who knows what's possible. 

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Mr Walker
9 hours ago, eight bits said:

Umm ...

Yes, precisely, faith is a coping mechanism, barren but effective, like projection, denial, wishful thinking, fortified wine, ...

Science is a solving mechanism. In its now-familiar form, it's relatively new, but solving instead of just coping has turned out to be a good idea. There's a future in it.

And because it is a method as well as a mechanism, science can be solving one set of problems while faith is coping with another set. Fortified wine, not so much.

I'm unsure what moves you to rebuttal. We seem to agree on so much here (as I acknowledged going in, a few posts back).

lol

Not barren.

It is absolutely essential for a human being, given the nature of our psychology. (by faith i meant all faith such as the faith we will wake up tomorrow but this includes religious faith)

Yes it is a cognitive /psychological mechanism like those you mention, but these are not negative traits. They have evolved as survival mechanisms

And yes science solves solvable problems (and makes our lives better and has become perceived as indispensable)  but no matter how advanced science has become, it has not yet solved the  unsolvable problems and questions generated by the human mind.

We demand answers to those questions so we can live, be happy, and keep going. So we construct ones.  

Yes we agree a lot, especially on the nature, purpose, and great benefit, of science and scientific thinking 

However,  personally, i see that as one equal half of being human, and of human existence.  What "we" are is not physical, but mental,  and thus our mental /psychological needs are just as essential for our survival (as human beings not just animals) as our  material well being 

Suicide is the highest killer of young people in Australia yet almost everyone of those people would have their purely physical needs met to a high historical standard . 

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Mr Walker
9 hours ago, Aquila King said:

The more Capitalist you go, the more income inequality rises.

That's just how the system works.

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I wonder. Could that be because capitalism raises the wealth and living standards of ALL involved, but lifts that of some more than others.  Capitalism produces wealth. socialism can only redistribute wealth.  That is why socialist /communist economic systems always fail. They are unfair and unequal (read animal farm.) and fail to raise the financial capital required for large scale economic ventures,  or to compete with capitalist systems of production  

One example

https://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/twenty-five-years-indian-economic-reform

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Mr Walker
7 hours ago, Aquila King said:

If you cherish inequality mandated by a system that is designed to oppress those at the bottom, then that's reason enough for those at the bottom (or anyone else who recognizes the unjust Capitalist system for what it is) to force those who cherish that unjust system to submit.

Though I will add as a caveat: I myself don't claim to be a Marxist or Anarchist. I'm a Social Democrat, which isn't a post-capitalist philosophy, and is rather banal compared to many other leftist groups. I merely sympathize with many Marxist/Anarchist ideologies. I tend to think they raise a number of fair points, but are a bit too idealistic. That's it.

You seem to be angrily asking questions to things that are easily obtainable if you simply took the time to read any Marxist literature. Feel free to disagree with it, I myself disagree with many parts of it. But what you're asking here kinda shows that you haven't even spent time to read up on the philosophy you claim to oppose.

Communist Russia, China, and the Soviet Union are indeed left-wing, but they aren't the ideal that Karl Marx originally envisioned. Marx supported a stateless, classless, moneyless society, that completely eliminates all social hierarchies. Those Communist nations that exist today are as you described earlier, merely a massive Capitalist totalitarian entity owned entirely by the state. 

It's accurate to call them Communist, but they aren't Marxist, and sure as Hell ain't Anarchist. So to quote them as examples is to be completely misinformed.

Marxism and Leninism had a century to prove themselves as economic models The y failed miserably, and millions died as part of that failure 

While i understand the emotions which drive some to support, at least socialism, as an ideal, i cant understand  anyone who actually thinks it can work That's like being a creationist :)

Plus those models only work by removing the basic freedoms of the working classes.  That is  why many tried to escape from socialist /communist countries last century,  and very few wanted to escape capitalism and join them. 

Of course counties like Australia are now a blend of socialism and capitalism, and this seems to work well, although personally i think we are moving a bit too much towards socialism, when 6 out of 10 citizens are dependent on the govt for their income, leaving only 4 out of 10 to provide the wealth upon which the rest of us live. 

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Mr Walker
7 hours ago, Aquila King said:

Such is the backwards philosophy of Conservatism...

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To give one must have a surplus of wealth beyond ones basic needs. If the state only provides for basic needs, there is no room for an individual to contribute more or to improve the lives of others. 

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Jodie.Lynne
19 minutes ago, Mr Walker said:

Could that be because capitalism raises the wealth and living standards of ALL involved,

Yeah, no.

I don't know how it is in Ozzie land, but here in the U.S., the hourly wage slave will NEVER make it big.

I am NOT denouncing Capitalism, but it isn't the utopian system you seem to envisage.

As an example, today alone, I moved @ $3K in product. Enough to pay my salary for 6 weeks. I pretty much do this EVERY day. And this is product that is sold, not just made & stored. And there are 6 other order pickers who average the same.  That is roughly, $21,000.00 US dollars. A day.  Over $100,000 a week.  Overhead is at a minimum; product is bought low, sold high. The grounds are owned outright, and the only expenses are Insurance, utilities, and taxes.

The salaries are decent, but none of the employees will ever be millionaires. Unless they hit the lottery.

 

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Mr Walker
7 hours ago, Aquila King said:

You seem to equating struggle with success, which is an idea I completely oppose.

Those with dyslexia struggle to read. Those with ADHD struggle to pay attention. Those with PTSD struggle with recurring flashbacks of trauma. Those with other mental health issues struggle in various ways to live and function in society. But most importantly, most of them struggle and fail.

There are people who struggle to work two full time jobs on minimum wage that don't pay them enough to live on, while struggling to raise 3 kids, and struggling to take classes for a higher education, and then struggling to pay off massive student loan debt till they're in their 50's and 60's.

My mother was a Straight-A student all through school, graduated the top of her class with honors, got multiple scholarships, earned a Masters degree +, got a job as a school teacher right out of college, and has lived paycheck to paycheck her whole life barely scraping by.

Struggle is not an inherently good thing, and in fact I'd say that for the most part it's a negative. Though it sure as Hell doesn't equate to success.

I guess that is the difference between Australia and america I supported a large family on only a teachers wage, bought a house, lived comfortably, and had enough to give away to those more need than myself I contributed to super which the govt also contributed to and  was able to work half time for the last 10 years of teaching  We now live on the age  pension and for the first time in my life i am actually building a savings reserve (didnt  need one as a govt employed teacher) 

Sincere congratulations to your mother She is my kind of mother.

In many cases it is not what a person earns but how much they choose to spend to buy the sort of lifetime they want .Eg I dont buy new clothes have never been on overseas holiday and don't waste money. I know peole earning over 100000 a year who still cry poverty because the y cant take an overseas holiday every year,  and buy new clothes every season  

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Sherapy
1 hour ago, eight bits said:

He already did, in 2016. He was one of the several Republican contenders whom Trump beat for the nomination. It is not unusual for such people to end up with cabinet appointments, as he has. He'll be 73 in September 2024, so it is possible that he may try again that year. The public emergence of his unusual views was a factor in his withdrawal from the 2016 race, so I'd be surprised if he'd have any traction in 2024.

But then, I was surprised that Trump won in 2016. Pay no attention to me as a political prognosticator.

Indeed, who would have thought Trump would be president. Lol

I have not heard that Carson was in again, but I highly doubt it. 

As you said, he didn’t make much of a splash, except with MR Walker. Lol 

I am on the Biden campaign trail myself.  

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Mr Walker
5 minutes ago, Jodie.Lynne said:

Yeah, no.

I don't know how it is in Ozzie land, but here in the U.S., the hourly wage slave will NEVER make it big.

I am NOT denouncing Capitalism, but it isn't the utopian system you seem to envisage.

As an example, today alone, I moved @ $3K in product. Enough to pay my salary for 6 weeks. I pretty much do this EVERY day. And this is product that is sold, not just made & stored. And there are 6 other order pickers who average the same.  That is roughly, $21,000.00 US dollars. A day.  Over $100,000 a week.  Overhead is at a minimum; product is bought low, sold high. The grounds are owned outright, and the only expenses are Insurance, utilities, and taxes.

The salaries are decent, but none of the employees will ever be millionaires. Unless they hit the lottery.

 

As i said there IS a significant difference between Australia and america

However it also goes to individuals. 

I live frugally and give a lot of my welath away 

As kids my father worked two jobs and my mother also worked to support us. 

Today I have  three siblings One is a multi millionaire (speaking many  tens of millions  ) all earned by their own skills and labour .

 Another is a simple multimillionaire (a few million in capital  and income from a computing  business he built;t up over 40 yeras  The third is work as a train inspector after leaving school half way through  high school to go fishing. he is married to a kindergarten  teacher They have put two girls though university 600 ks from our home town,  own property worth around a million and have a combined income of about 150000 a year.

it is interesting. I have the highest educational level by a mile (none of the others completed high school)  and yet the lowest income and assets of us all  ) None of us got any start up  money from  our parents All of us made of our lives what we have from hard work and thrifty/clever living 

There are two ways to make big money legally and both require risk Put a little aside and invest it cleverly. This will slowly make you rich .

Invest all your own capital and physical effort into your own business This can make you wealthy more quickly but has a greater risk.  

Both require  reducing living expenses, and sacrificing lifestyle, for years, in order to get that big return

 

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