Sword of the LORD Posted May 25, 2019 #4026 Share Posted May 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, danydandan said: Is this relevant to the ongoing discussion or the premise of the topic conveyed in the OP? Or are you just preachy preachy preachin? Just a quick one for ye, if Jesus died for all our sins ( past, present and future). If no body ever sins, would his death have been in-vein? Which leads to another question, if we don't sin is not sinning a sin because we let Jesus die in-vein? Man is hopelessly depraved without Christ and entirely incapable of not sinning. If Christ did not die and rise again, all men would be on the path to Hell with no chance of escape. Accepting Jesus Christ as the atonement for sin is the only way for sinful man to escape the wrath of God and become a child of God. I apologize if I am somewhat off topic. But I thought this thread was to debate the existence of God? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted May 25, 2019 #4027 Share Posted May 25, 2019 Horus you mean. Because it's highly likely that the story of Jesus is just another take on the Horus myth. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted May 25, 2019 #4028 Share Posted May 25, 2019 Well there would always be all those ancient pagans who sinned Pre-Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted May 25, 2019 #4029 Share Posted May 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Sword of the LORD said: Man is hopelessly depraved without Christ and entirely incapable of not sinning. If Christ did not die and rise again, all men would be on the path to Hell with no chance of escape. Accepting Jesus Christ as the atonement for sin is the only way for sinful man to escape the wrath of God and become a child of God. I apologize if I am somewhat off topic. But I thought this thread was to debate the existence of God? Mankind is depraved with God as well. Blood on their hands due to religious wars. Catholicism has a pedo problem. Religiously motivated terrorist love blowing themselve up in crowds for the glory of God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword of the LORD Posted May 25, 2019 #4030 Share Posted May 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, XenoFish said: Mankind is depraved with God as well. Blood on their hands due to religious wars. Catholicism has a pedo problem. Religiously motivated terrorist love blowing themselve up in crowds for the glory of God. There are only two kinds of people is this world, lost and saved. Both kinds are sinners, the only difference being the latter have all their sins (past, present, future) forgiven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted May 25, 2019 #4031 Share Posted May 25, 2019 Just now, Sword of the LORD said: There are only two kinds of people is this world, lost and saved. Both kinds are sinners, the only difference being the latter have all their sins (past, present, future) forgiven. So nothing more than the illusion of spiritual catharsis. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted May 25, 2019 #4032 Share Posted May 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, Sword of the LORD said: Man is hopelessly depraved without Christ and entirely incapable of not sinning. If Christ did not die and rise again, all men would be on the path to Hell with no chance of escape. Accepting Jesus Christ as the atonement for sin is the only way for sinful man to escape the wrath of God and become a child of God. I apologize if I am somewhat off topic. But I thought this thread was to debate the existence of God? The topic of the thread is why do you bother arguing for or against the existence of a God. We human were horrendous, horrible blood thirsting beings before Jesus was apparently around, and his existence has nothing to abate our thirst. Then, now or forever. Most of the horrendous acts carried out by us were draped under the guise of, proclaiming his will. But anyways welcome to the forums, and stop preaching. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword of the LORD Posted May 25, 2019 #4033 Share Posted May 25, 2019 Just now, XenoFish said: So nothing more than the illusion of spiritual catharsis. Nothing illusory about it my friend. Man is utterly depraved and incapable of pleasing God outside of Christ. The moment a man believes of Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, all of their sins are forgiven and God imputed to them the righteousness of Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted May 25, 2019 #4034 Share Posted May 25, 2019 Just now, Sword of the LORD said: Nothing illusory about it my friend. Man is utterly depraved and incapable of pleasing God outside of Christ. The moment a man believes of Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, all of their sins are forgiven and God imputed to them the righteousness of Christ. So you're an idol worshipper. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword of the LORD Posted May 25, 2019 #4035 Share Posted May 25, 2019 1 minute ago, danydandan said: The topic of the thread is why do you bother arguing for or against the existence of a God. We human were horrendous, horrible blood thirsting beings before Jesus was apparently around, and his existence has nothing to abate our thirst. Then, now or forever. Most of the horrendous acts carried out by us were draped under the guise of, proclaiming his will. But anyways welcome to the forums, and stop preaching. Thank you for the welcome. But the verses I quoted above were indeed for the purpose of proving the existence of God. I reccommend that you read 1 John. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword of the LORD Posted May 25, 2019 #4036 Share Posted May 25, 2019 Just now, XenoFish said: So you're an idol worshipper. By there very nature, all false religions are idol worship. Worshipping Almighty God who was made manifest in human flesh is as far from idolatry as one can get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toast Posted May 25, 2019 #4037 Share Posted May 25, 2019 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Sword of the LORD said: 1 John: 7-8 There are three that bear witness in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, the blood, and the water: and these three agree in one. Blondie: In the sun I'm waiting for the day Having fun in warm far away Moonlight nights water seems so clear Oh city lights while I'm still waiting here In the sun it's for everyone In the sun were gonna have some fun In the sun were gonna shoot the tube I'll do it for you my paka lola luau love Edited May 25, 2019 by toast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted May 25, 2019 #4038 Share Posted May 25, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Sword of the LORD said: Thank you for the welcome. But the verses I quoted above were indeed for the purpose of proving the existence of God. I reccommend that you read 1 John. Again: 9 minutes ago, Sword of the LORD said: The topic of the thread is WHY do you bother arguing for or against the existence of a God. Quoting scripture is no way of proving anything. Also, I've read enough 'holy' books to know they are all full of contradictory nonsensical crap. That includes Jewish, Islamic, Christian, Hindi, Buddhism and quite a bit more. Edited May 25, 2019 by danydandan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted May 25, 2019 #4039 Share Posted May 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, Sword of the LORD said: By there very nature, all false religions are idol worship. Worshipping Almighty God who was made manifest in human flesh is as far from idolatry as one can get. All religions are false. Created by people. Old ideas crafted with new ones. An ever evolving memetic virus. Your religion is just as false as the rest. Your god is just an idea. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword of the LORD Posted May 25, 2019 #4040 Share Posted May 25, 2019 1 minute ago, danydandan said: Again: Quoting scripture is no way of proving anything. It is if that Scripture is inspired by the Holy Ghost. Remember, it is the Spirit who bears witness in the earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Desertrat56 Posted May 25, 2019 #4041 Share Posted May 25, 2019 12 minutes ago, Sword of the LORD said: Nothing illusory about it my friend. Man is utterly depraved and incapable of pleasing God outside of Christ. The moment a man believes of Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, all of their sins are forgiven and God imputed to them the righteousness of Christ. What a manipulative, controlling god that must be to require such and separate people based on what myth they believe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted May 25, 2019 #4042 Share Posted May 25, 2019 Just now, Desertrat56 said: What a manipulative, controlling god that must be to require such and separate people based on what myth they believe. That's how cults work. "We" are chosen, "They" are evil. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted May 25, 2019 #4043 Share Posted May 25, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Sword of the LORD said: It is if that Scripture is inspired by the Holy Ghost. Remember, it is the Spirit who bears witness in the earth. You can't know that it is, either can anyone else. Tell me who wrote these scriptures? And once again, why are you arguing for the existence of God? Edited May 25, 2019 by danydandan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword of the LORD Posted May 25, 2019 #4044 Share Posted May 25, 2019 1 minute ago, XenoFish said: All religions are false. Created by people. Old ideas crafted with new ones. An ever evolving memetic virus. Your religion is just as false as the rest. Your god is just an idea. Your assumptions are incapable of verification. Have you traversed the entire length and breadth of creation in order to arrive at your conclusion? Saying there is no God is just as valid as saying there are no new species of animal awaiting scientific discovery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted May 25, 2019 #4045 Share Posted May 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Sword of the LORD said: It is if that Scripture is inspired by the Holy Ghost. Remember, it is the Spirit who bears witness in the earth. They didn't know what mental illness was in those days. So any crazy could claim divine inspiration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted May 25, 2019 #4046 Share Posted May 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Sword of the LORD said: Your assumptions are incapable of verification As are yours! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Desertrat56 Posted May 25, 2019 #4047 Share Posted May 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Sword of the LORD said: Your assumptions are incapable of verification. Have you traversed the entire length and breadth of creation in order to arrive at your conclusion? Saying there is no God is just as valid as saying there are no new species of animal awaiting scientific discovery. Have you? Your assumptions are as incapable of verification as any one else's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted May 25, 2019 #4048 Share Posted May 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Sword of the LORD said: Your assumptions are incapable of verification. Have you traversed the entire length and breadth of creation in order to arrive at your conclusion? Saying there is no God is just as valid as saying there are no new species of animal awaiting scientific discovery. Can you show me physical proof of god. Where god came from? What created God? Where did gods creator come from? What is god made of? What is God's creator made of? I could go on and on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toast Posted May 25, 2019 #4049 Share Posted May 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Sword of the LORD said: Saying there is no God is just as valid as saying there are no new species of animal awaiting scientific discovery. Creationism-O-Meter is ringing 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted May 25, 2019 #4050 Share Posted May 25, 2019 Here's another question. What if you're worshipping the wrong god? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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