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When was the eruption of Thera? Not 1627 BC!

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Jodie.Lynne

@docyabut2

A couple of questions, for you and any other believer in Atlantis:

Why didn't any other Greek write about Atlantis, OTHER than Plato?

Where are the Athenian monuments to the 'great victory' over the Atlanteans?

Why hasn't there been any writings from ANY other contemporary civilization, regarding Atlantis discovered? Ya know, like Egyptian, Babylonian, Sumerian, Celtic, Ethiopian, or anyone else who lived around the Mediterranean? 

Even nations further afield, like the Norse, surely would have encountered these legendary supermen, no?

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Jodie.Lynne
2 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

I thought I had heard that Plato was gay, but I didn't know he was dating the king of Athens.  Thanks.

SHHHH! We don't want the Queen to find out! ;)

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Will Due
16 minutes ago, Jodie.Lynne said:

@docyabut2

A couple of questions, for you and any other believer in Atlantis:

Why didn't any other Greek write about Atlantis, OTHER than Plato?

Where are the Athenian monuments to the 'great victory' over the Atlanteans?

Why hasn't there been any writings from ANY other contemporary civilization, regarding Atlantis discovered? Ya know, like Egyptian, Babylonian, Sumerian, Celtic, Ethiopian, or anyone else who lived around the Mediterranean? 

Even nations further afield, like the Norse, surely would have encountered these legendary supermen, no?

 

Other writings? Legendary supermen?

You mean like these supermen Jodie?

 

 

Genesis 6:4   

The Nephilim were on the earth in those days-and also afterward-when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.

 

 

 

And this city Jodie?

 

Ezekiel 26:17   

Then they will take up a lament concerning you and say to you: " 'How you are destroyed, city of renown, peopled by men of the sea! You were a power on the seas, you and your citizens; you put your terror on all who lived there.

 

 

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jaylemurph
16 minutes ago, Will Due said:

 

Other writings? Legendary supermen?

You mean like these supermen Jodie?

 

 

Genesis 6:4   

The Nephilim were on the earth in those days-and also afterward-when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.

 

 

 

And this city Jodie?

 

Ezekiel 26:17   

Then they will take up a lament concerning you and say to you: " 'How you are destroyed, city of renown, peopled by men of the sea! You were a power on the seas, you and your citizens; you put your terror on all who lived there.

 

 

And is your speculation about cultural borrowing between two vastly different groups centuries (if not millennia) apart fueled by anything other than ignorance on the subject?

--Jaylemurph

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Jodie.Lynne
2 minutes ago, jaylemurph said:

And is your speculation about cultural borrowing between two vastly different groups centuries (if not millennia) apart fueled by anything other than ignorance on the subject?

--Jaylemurph

Or just plain ignorance, period.

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Tatetopa
18 minutes ago, Jodie.Lynne said:

Why hasn't there been any writings from ANY other contemporary civilization, regarding Atlantis discovered? Ya know, like Egyptian, Babylonian, Sumerian, Celtic, Ethiopian, or anyone else who lived around the Mediterranean? 

Even nations further afield, like the Norse, surely would have encountered these legendary supermen, no?

Good question.

Back around 3000 BC, the Skara Brae site was built in the Orkney Islands.  It was occupied a couple of centuries before Stonehenge was built. I think it predates the pyramids. You wouldn't expect so much activity going on up in the seemingly inhospitable north, but it was.  Megalithic sites abound all over northern Europe.  They would also need to be pretty good mariners to travel the northern seaways.  They were boating the European coasts and waterways from Spain to Scandinavia for 1000 years before Atlantis' supposed downfall.  You would think there would have been at least one encounter with other actual seafarers in that 1000 years.

No written records of course, but neither is there  reference on picture stones or any whiff of superior beings or imported technology either.  Or for that matter any inscribed monuments from traveling Atlanteans anywhere to be found.  No "Neveratalos was here" in any script whatsoever.

If they had any tradition of floods, it would as likely be from Doggerland, as anything biblical, but that paradise of the neolithic slowly subsided around 6000 BC.  50 meters under the north sea is an area about the size of Holland connecting Britain to the continent.   Mammoth bones including at least 1 skull have been pulled up by fishermen, as well as stone tools and charcoal.  Maybe no advanced cities, but a wealth of information about the early Europe. 

I am not talking only about Europeans here, but our ancestors were amazing enough without Atlantis. 

As far as the Atlantian legendary supermen, maybe Thor kicked their asses all the way back to Jotunheim and they didn't seem so super any more. 

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Jodie.Lynne
2 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

As far as the Atlantian legendary supermen, maybe Thor kicked their asses all the way back to Jotunheim and they didn't seem so super any more. 

There is an absolute wealth of legendary tales from Ireland, through the Northlands, and none of then mention Atlantis.

I am reluctant to mention this, but in the legends of the Celts of Ireland, they do talk of invaders from across the sea, but they are referred to as the "Tuatha de Danaan", or in English, as "The Children of the Goddess Danu". They were traced back to the Celtic tribes around the Danube River. In what is present day Germany, NOT the island of Atlantis.

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Tatetopa

Just for fun:

Radiocarbon dates show the origins of megalith graves and how they spread across Europe.

How did European megalith graves arise and spread? Using radiocarbon dates from a large quantity of material, an archaeologist at the University of Gothenburg has been able to show that people in the younger Stone Age were far more mobile than previously thought, had quite advanced seafaring skills, and that there were exchanges between different parts of Europe.

https://www.heritagedaily.com/2019/02/radiocarbon-dates-show-the-origins-of-megalith-graves-and-how-they-spread-across-europe/122687

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Jodie.Lynne

@Tatetopa

An interesting article showing how technology and knowledge could have spread across the Continent.

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Tatetopa
2 minutes ago, Jodie.Lynne said:

There is an absolute wealth of legendary tales from Ireland, through the Northlands, and none of then mention Atlantis.

I am reluctant to mention this, but in the legends of the Celts of Ireland, they do talk of invaders from across the sea, but they are referred to as the "Tuatha de Danaan", or in English, as "The Children of the Goddess Danu". They were traced back to the Celtic tribes around the Danube River. In what is present day Germany, NOT the island of Atlantis.

Those are some great tales. Dandydandan could tell us a thing or two about those.  As an engineer, one of my favorites was Nuada Silver Hand.  He was the Tuatha king who lost his hand in combat to Sreng.  He was saved by Angaba the Norwegian. (travelers even then)  Later a Tuatha doctor made hum a hand of silver, said to do all of the things a hand of flesh could do.

 

Also Jodie a previous settlement by Milesians from the Iberian peninsula.

In the Lebor Gabála Érenn, a medieval Irish Christian pseudo-history, the Milesians (Irish: gairthear Mílidh Easpáinne) are the final race to settle in Ireland. They represent the Irish people. The Milesians are Gaels who sail to Ireland from Hispania after spending hundreds of years travelling the earth.

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Jodie.Lynne

@Tatetopa

Yes, that is so. I am well versed in the legends of the Irish. :)

The Law was that no one could be High King, who was disfigured. Nuada was the Ardri until he lost his hand in battle, then had to step down. Once he was restored, by the artisan who made his silver hand, he was able to reclaim the throne and defeat the Formorians, led by Balor One Eye.

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Jodie.Lynne
2 hours ago, docyabut2 said:

I have to agree with one person said, its was a Egyptian tale of Thera  , but the earlier Greek writers placed a great civilization beyond their map.

 

Reconstruction of world map according to Dicaearchus (300 B.C.) the time Plato was written

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OK, one final time...

LOOK at the land mass of Libya and Asia on that map. Just friggin' LOOK at it!

Even if it is not 100% accurate, please, for the love of Christ and all the Saints, please tell me where such a large land mass could possibly be on this planet!

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atalante
14 hours ago, docyabut2 said:

 nine thousand ? many  mistakes like atalante posted , Ulf`s posted on the mistakes   

This was Ulf's analysis of Plato's Atlantis chronology.  http://atlantipedia.ie/samples/archive-2846/

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Sir Wearer of Hats
15 hours ago, Jodie.Lynne said:

OK, one final time...

LOOK at the land mass of Libya and Asia on that map. Just friggin' LOOK at it!

Even if it is not 100% accurate, please, for the love of Christ and all the Saints, please tell me where such a large land mass could possibly be on this planet!

Looks about th same size as ‘Straya to me. 

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Harte
8 hours ago, atalante said:

This was Ulf's analysis of Plato's Atlantis chronology.  http://atlantipedia.ie/samples/archive-2846/

From that link:

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Both 8,000 and 9,000 years before Solon were written in the text by Plato, the latter several times.

Yet, the suggestion being made here "...could well be in the Bronze Age," presupposes the ignoring of both timelines with no reason given for doing so

Why write an analysis at all if the conclusion is it could have been anytime (if you ignore this part)?

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atalante
17 hours ago, Harte said:

From that link:

image.thumb.png.ac14148bcf3cc631bd4c5ce8a61596b7.png

Both 8,000 and 9,000 years before Solon were written in the text by Plato, the latter several times.

Yet, the suggestion being made here "...could well be in the Bronze Age," presupposes the ignoring of both timelines with no reason given for doing so

Why write an analysis at all if the conclusion is it could have been anytime (if you ignore this part)?

Harte

The first paragraph in archive 2846 answered your question.

"9000 years before Solon" referred to the foundation date for Atlantis, but not to the "war".

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Harte

Sure.

But Bronze Agers were literate.

Yet no Atlantis tale from the peoples that Athens freed from the Atlantean yoke.

And no Greek plays or artworks concerning Atlantis.

Rather odd for the heroes of the Mediterranean.

Harte

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Hanslune
On 2/19/2019 at 6:56 PM, Jodie.Lynne said:

@docyabut2

A couple of questions, for you and any other believer in Atlantis:

Why didn't any other Greek write about Atlantis, OTHER than Plato?

Where are the Athenian monuments to the 'great victory' over the Atlanteans?

Why hasn't there been any writings from ANY other contemporary civilization, regarding Atlantis discovered? Ya know, like Egyptian, Babylonian, Sumerian, Celtic, Ethiopian, or anyone else who lived around the Mediterranean? 

Even nations further afield, like the Norse, surely would have encountered these legendary supermen, no?

 

6 hours ago, Harte said:

Sure.

But Bronze Agers were literate.

Yet no Atlantis tale from the peoples that Athens freed from the Atlantean yoke.

And no Greek plays or artworks concerning Atlantis.

Rather odd for the heroes of the Mediterranean.

Harte

Additionally why didn't it find its way into the mythology. Why didn't Homer mention it?

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Jodie.Lynne
6 hours ago, Harte said:

Rather odd for the heroes of the Mediterranean.

Agreed! One would think that if a city state/nation defeated a "superpower", they would have tons of stories and plays about their monumental struggle and victory over their oppressors, yeah?

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Harte
5 hours ago, Hanslune said:

 

Additionally why didn't it find its way into the mythology. Why didn't Homer mention it?

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atalante
10 hours ago, Hanslune said:

 

Additionally why didn't it find its way into the mythology. Why didn't Homer mention it?

It did enter mythology.  Diodorus said the Atlantean war ended shortly after the queen of the Amazons fell in love with Theseus, and defected from her initial (Atlantean) comrades to fight by the side of Theseus.

Homer did not know about the strait of Gibralter.  Most of the western part of the Odyssey is considered to be a travelogue for a trip around Sicily.  

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1 hour ago, atalante said:

It did enter mythology.  Diodorus said the Atlantean war ended shortly after the queen of the Amazons fell in love with Theseus, and defected from her initial (Atlantean) comrades to fight by the side of Theseus.

 

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Diodorus_Siculus/3D*.html#note13.

The name yes of those fine folks in NW Africa but not the city and sunken land of Plato which of course I was referring too. Could you point to the great story of the destruction of Atlantis in myth? Such a great story, not only that but the defeat of those dudes by Athens - I'm sure some Gods were involved - can you link to that and similar myths please.

 

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cormac mac airt
2 hours ago, Hanslune said:

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Diodorus_Siculus/3D*.html#note13.

The name yes of those fine folks in NW Africa but not the city and sunken land of Plato which of course I was referring too. Could you point to the great story of the destruction of Atlantis in myth? Such a great story, not only that but the defeat of those dudes by Athens - I'm sure some Gods were involved - can you link to that and similar myths please.

It also doesn't help the argument as Hespera Island would have been located, at best, in the Chotts Megalake/Chott el Rharsa area in east central Algeria/central Tunisia which is nowhere near Plato's Atlantis outside the PoH/SoG and near Cadiz/Gades. Amazing how those details keep getting ignored. 

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Harte
4 hours ago, Hanslune said:

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Diodorus_Siculus/3D*.html#note13.

The name yes of those fine folks in NW Africa but not the city and sunken land of Plato which of course I was referring too. Could you point to the great story of the destruction of Atlantis in myth? Such a great story, not only that but the defeat of those dudes by Athens - I'm sure some Gods were involved - can you link to that and similar myths please.

But, of course, Homer didn't know about it, as was stated.

Poor oblivious Homer knew nothing of the Greek defeat of the Atlanteans.

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Captain Risky
2 hours ago, cormac mac airt said:

It also doesn't help the argument as Hespera Island would have been located, at best, in the Chotts Megalake/Chott el Rharsa area in east central Algeria/central Tunisia which is nowhere near Plato's Atlantis outside the PoH/SoG and near Cadiz/Gades. Amazing how those details keep getting ignored. 

cormac

oddly enough in the vicinity of the Sahara. i think the history books need to be rewritten. 

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