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Antisemitism in the Labour Party

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The mainstream news outlets keep stating that the Labour party is antisemitic.  No examples are given and even Labour MP John McDonnell said the party figures show that only 0.1% of members "seem to have been involved in some form of antisemitism".  Is this pretty much a non-story that has been hyped up by the press to attack Jeremy Corbyn?  Former Labour MP Joan Ryan said antisemitism was 'never a problem' before Corbyn became leader in 2015.  She said - "It is intimately related to their politics, to their organisation and to the processes that now operate in the Labour Party."  She told Skynews that she left the party because it had - "become infected with the scourge of anti-Jewish racism" under Mr Corbyn's leadership.

Is this really a concern, or just fake news?  0.1% are alleged to have said something that might be considered antisemitic.  People from every walk of life are called names every day.  We rise above it and get on with our lives.  So what is really the issue with this alleged systemic racism within the Labour Party?  Is it just another hit job by the Tories because they are worried about losing the next election to Corbyn?

 

 

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Phaeton80
39 minutes ago, Aaron2016 said:

The mainstream news outlets keep stating that the Labour party is antisemitic.  No examples are given and even Labour MP John McDonnell said the party figures show that only 0.1% of members "seem to have been involved in some form of antisemitism".  Is this pretty much a non-story that has been hyped up by the press to attack Jeremy Corbyn?  Former Labour MP Joan Ryan said antisemitism was 'never a problem' before Corbyn became leader in 2015.  She said - "It is intimately related to their politics, to their organisation and to the processes that now operate in the Labour Party."  She told Skynews that she left the party because it had - "become infected with the scourge of anti-Jewish racism" under Mr Corbyn's leadership.

Is this really a concern, or just fake news?  0.1% are alleged to have said something that might be considered antisemitic.  People from every walk of life are called names every day.  We rise above it and get on with our lives.  So what is really the issue with this alleged systemic racism within the Labour Party?  Is it just another hit job by the Tories because they are worried about losing the next election to Corbyn?


I was wondering thesame thing..

Does anyone have any examples at all in regards to this apparant raging anti semetical rhetoric and or actions coming from Corbyn?

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https://www.vox.com/world/2018/3/29/17168320/labour-corbyn-anti-semitism-mural

I suspect it has a lot to do with the Labour parties rabid anti Israel stance and the left wings general apologist approach (only have to read the Guardian after the latest terrorist incident) to islamic terrorism.

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Left wing is not apologetic to islamic terrorism but they do defend muslims in general who have nothing to do with terrorism. However, anyone who dares to critisize Israel and it's obvious terroristic actions towards palestinians is marked as a anti semit. The anti semit card is getting old and wears off slowly. If one critisizes the catholic church for abuse it does not mean they are anti christian just as critizising islamic terrorists does not mean one is anti muslim. 

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4 hours ago, Aaron2016 said:

The mainstream news outlets keep stating that the Labour party is antisemitic.  No examples are given and even Labour MP John McDonnell said the party figures show that only 0.1% of members "seem to have been involved in some form of antisemitism".  Is this pretty much a non-story that has been hyped up by the press to attack Jeremy Corbyn?  Former Labour MP Joan Ryan said antisemitism was 'never a problem' before Corbyn became leader in 2015.  She said - "It is intimately related to their politics, to their organisation and to the processes that now operate in the Labour Party."  She told Skynews that she left the party because it had - "become infected with the scourge of anti-Jewish racism" under Mr Corbyn's leadership.

Is this really a concern, or just fake news?  0.1% are alleged to have said something that might be considered antisemitic.  People from every walk of life are called names every day.  We rise above it and get on with our lives.  So what is really the issue with this alleged systemic racism within the Labour Party?  Is it just another hit job by the Tories because they are worried about losing the next election to Corbyn?

 

 

Majority of it boils down to the fact that they criticise Israel for doing things that would get any other country the same criticism. But some like to claim any criticism of Israel is automatically antisemitic. 

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12 minutes ago, Setton said:

Majority of it boils down to the fact that they criticise Israel for doing things that would get any other country the same criticism. But some like to claim any criticism of Israel is automatically antisemitic. 

And some claim any criticism of Islam is islamaphobic. (Even cartoons)

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odas
27 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said:

And some claim any criticism of Islam is islamaphobic. (Even cartoons)

Exactely. This goes both ways. If we, as humans, do not or even worse, are not allowed to criticise what we see as wrong, it will become our downfall. Sure, there is and will always be a hidden agenda but those are easy to see. 

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Setton
58 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said:

And some claim any criticism of Islam is islamaphobic. (Even cartoons)

Yep. Both are equally ridiculous. 

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itsnotoutthere
5 minutes ago, Setton said:

Yep. Both are equally ridiculous. 

indeed

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hetrodoxly
7 hours ago, Aaron2016 said:

No examples are given

Luciana Berger, who left the Labour party earlier this month, describes the years of antisemitic abuse she has been subjected to and explains why she feels a responsibility to do everything possible to speak out against it

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2019/mar/01/luciana-berger-on-antisemitism-hate-and-life-as-a-jewish-mp-video

The war of words within Labour over antisemitism is continuing as a left-wing Jewish group has confirmed it may split from the party.

https://news.sky.com/story/jewish-group-may-split-from-labour-amid-growing-row-over-antisemitism-11653026

 

MP who quit Labour says anti-Semitism ‘intimately related’ to arrival of Corbyn

UK lawmaker Joan Ryan reportedly received threats of rape and that she be ‘thrown in the ovens’; 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/mp-who-quit-labour-says-anti-semitism-intimately-related-to-party-under-corbyn/

I'm not Jewish but whatever I talk about I receive antisemitic abuse

Imagine what it's like for Jews online.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2018/02/antisemitic-abuse-labour-jewish-social-media

there's lots more if you want them.

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This seems to paint a pretty clear picture..

 

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Corbyn’s success has also outraged vocal supporters of Israel both in the Labour party – some 80 MPs are stalwart members of Labour Friends of Israel – and in the UK media. Corbyn is the first British party leader in sight of power to prefer the Palestinians’ right to justice over Israel’s continuing oppression of the Palestinians.

For these reasons, the Blairite MPs have been trying to oust Corbyn any way they can. First through a failed re-run of the leadership contest and then by assisting the corporate media – which is equally opposed to Corbyn – in smearing him variously as a shambles, a misogynist, a sympathiser with terrorists, a Russian asset, and finally as an “enabler” of anti-semitism.

This last accusation has proved the most fruitful after the Israel lobby began to expand the definition of anti-semitism to include not just hatred of Jews but also criticism of Israel. Labour was eventually forced to accept a redefinition, formulated by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance, that conflates anti-Zionism – opposition to Israel’s violent creation on the Palestinians’ homeland – with anti-semitism.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/03/01/britains-witchfinders-are-ready-to-burn-jeremy-corbyn/


Suspected it was something like that. Ridiculous.

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Corbyn's refusal to acknowledge Hamas as a terror organization might be a part of the problem, no?

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1 hour ago, hetrodoxly said:

Luciana Berger, who left the Labour party earlier this month, describes the years of antisemitic abuse she has been subjected to and explains why she feels a responsibility to do everything possible to speak out against it

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2019/mar/01/luciana-berger-on-antisemitism-hate-and-life-as-a-jewish-mp-video

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The issue is antisemitism inside the Labour party.  Not what the general public say or do, but what the MPs say and do inside their own party.  Every politician is insulted by the general public in one form or other.  That is naturally expected as all politicians receive threats and abuse from the general public over all kinds of issues.  It comes with the job.  The issue was antisemitism conducted by Labour MPs.  I haven't seen any examples of Labour MPs being antisemitic.

 

 

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Golden Duck
8 hours ago, Setton said:

Majority of it boils down to the fact that they criticise Israel for doing things that would get any other country the same criticism. But some like to claim any criticism of Israel is automatically antisemitic. 

It's ironic that the word 'antisemitism' was coined be a left wing, Jew hating, German to create a racial conflict.

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hetrodoxly
6 hours ago, Aaron2016 said:

 

The issue is antisemitism inside the Labour party.  Not what the general public say or do, but what the MPs say and do inside their own party.  Every politician is insulted by the general public in one form or other.  That is naturally expected as all politicians receive threats and abuse from the general public over all kinds of issues.  It comes with the job.  The issue was antisemitism conducted by Labour MPs.  I haven't seen any examples of Labour MPs being antisemitic.

 

 

 

6 hours ago, Aaron2016 said:

 

The issue is antisemitism inside the Labour party.  Not what the general public say or do, but what the MPs say and do inside their own party.  Every politician is insulted by the general public in one form or other.  That is naturally expected as all politicians receive threats and abuse from the general public over all kinds of issues.  It comes with the job.  The issue was antisemitism conducted by Labour MPs.  I haven't seen any examples of Labour MPs being antisemitic.

 

 

The antisemitism isn't coming from the general public it's party members, you have it all wrong.

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Habitat

Labour hasn't been the same since 'arold Wilson retired !

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hetrodoxly
10 hours ago, Habitat said:

Labour hasn't been the same since 'arold Wilson retired !

The days when Labour represented the British working class before the lovies and champagne socialist ruined it.

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21 hours ago, Phaeton80 said:

This seems to paint a pretty clear picture..

 


Suspected it was something like that. Ridiculous.

Yeah sounds familiar to us Irish. 

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21 hours ago, and then said:

Corbyn's refusal to acknowledge Hamas as a terror organization might be a part of the problem, no?


Yeah, thats what the counterpunch piece stated:

"Corbyn’s success has also outraged vocal supporters of Israel both in the Labour party – some 80 MPs are stalwart members of Labour Friends of Israel – and in the UK media. Corbyn is the first British party leader in sight of power to prefer the Palestinians’ right to justice over Israel’s continuing oppression of the Palestinians."

The term anti semitism has been politicized, weaponised even.. a disgrace for all those who did suffer because of the real version of the concept. Besides the fact the Jewish state her very self has been one of the most antisemetical actors in recent history by murdering hundreds upon hundreds of innocent Palestinian civilians (yes, Semites) including but not limited to scores of children; to try and equate anti semetism with criticizing the Israeli state / Zionism.. is perfectly indicative of the deranged, manipulative situation at hand.. The victim card tactic being overplayed big time, things will come to a head soon, I do hope.

 

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Some news...

"The Labour Party may have unlawfully discriminated against Jewish people, the UK's human rights watchdog says.

The Equalities and Human Rights Commission said it was considering launching a formal investigation into anti-Semitism in the party."

At the BBC: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47482048

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On 3/3/2019 at 4:36 PM, Aaron2016 said:

I haven't seen any examples of Labour MPs being antisemitic.

Would you call support of Hamas reasonable?  Considering they want to basically eliminate the Jewish nation, you don't feel this is at least support of antisemites?  Better asked, what IS your definition of an antiSemite?

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2 hours ago, and then said:

Would you call support of Hamas reasonable?  Considering they want to basically eliminate the Jewish nation, you don't feel this is at least support of antisemites?  Better asked, what IS your definition of an antiSemite?

Corbyn I understand was just doing exactly what other political leaders have done to encourage peace in troubled areas.  Blair negotiated with IRA terrorists, Gaddafi, Asad, and other violent regime leaders to negotiate peace in their areas.  Corbyn I understand was doing the same and he attended a memorial with other delegates to show respect to both sides, as he believes everyone is a victim.  I read that Hamas supports the Labour party because they said they would be willing to recognise the state of Palestine.  I don't see any direct attacks against Jews, or claims against any Labour MPs that they are personally antisemitic.  The only way to solve a problem diplomatically is to hear all sides around the table and mediate a peace treaty between the two oppositions.  Trump tried to negotiate peace with North Korea, just as Chamberlain tried to negotiate peace with Hitler.  Every effort should be made to encourage peace.  Sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn't.  No harm in trying his best to encourage peace.

 

 

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Why Is The British Government Banning Hizbullah?

This week the British Home Secretary Sajid Javid laid out an order that proscribes the political arm of the Lebanese resistance organization Hizbullah as a terrorist organization under the Terrorism Act 2000. The military arm of Hizbullah was already named as such.

The reason given by the home secretary makes little sense:

My priority as Home Secretary is to protect the British people. As part of this, we identify and ban any terrorist organisation which threatens our safety and security, whatever their motivations or ideology which is why I am taking action against several organisations today.

Hizballah is continuing in its attempts to destabilase the fragile situation in the Middle East – and we are no longer able to distinguish between their already banned military wing and the political party. Because of this, I have taken the decision to proscribe the group in its entirety.

During the last years Hizbullah's operated to stabilize the Syrian government and to defend Lebanon against an onslaught of Jihadis coming over the Syrian border.

How that is supposed to "destabilase the fragile situation in the Middle East" is a bit hard to understand. Moreover nothing in the definition of terrorism in the Terrorism Act 2000 speaks of destabilization and nothing in there seems to apply to Hizbullah, especially not to its political and welfare arm. Besides its operations in Lebanon and Syria there were no Hizbullah attacks at all in Britain or anywhere else.

[..]

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/03/why-is-britains-government-banning-hizbullah.html


Denoted a terrorist organisation based on - wait for it - 'its attempts to destablilize the fragile situation in the Middle East'.. I mean, can it get more crazy than this? Who is responsible for whole sale, mass destabilization in the ME for godsake?! I would think even for the mainstream surfer its overly apparant the West has done more to destabilize the ME than any other entity by far, based on proven lies no less, and resulting in an stark increase in terrorists / extremists and thus increasing terror threats.. leaving chaos, death and destruction in her wake. The only rational reason this action is taken is to appease the Israeli powerplayers, who are passionately trying to defend their crimes against humanity in Palestine, striving to eliminate one of their foremost hurdles in this context.

This is truely becoming A Brave New World, where up is down and down is up; all facilitated by double speak and groupthink to support the partyline. Crazy, deranged stuff.

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9 months later and this is still making headlines.  Imagine if social media was around in 1938 when Chamberlain tried to negotiate peace with Hitler.  I guess in today's world that would make Chamberlain an antisemitic Nazi sympathiser.  Guilty by association.  :huh:   I guess that is the downfall of using diplomacy when trying to secure peace.  Similar to Tony Blair and his dealings with Colonel Gaddafi. Wonder how many times 'peace' has been bought and how many concessions have been and the papers have been swept under the carpet.  The dark side of diplomacy and all that.

 

 

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https://reaction.life/left-cant-deny-corbyns-antisemitism-longer/

It's up to Britons to determine who they want representing them on the world stage.  You'll be judged by your choice.  Electing this guy would be like America voting for David Duke or one of the "Squad" members.  It won't be like the choreographed charge of racism we've seen against Trump, this will be the real deal with video of him at Hamas rallies and other anti-Israel protests.  The only ones who won't admit he's an anti-Semite are the ones who don't CARE that he is.

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