Eldorado Posted March 10, 2019 #1 Share Posted March 10, 2019 An Ethiopian Airlines flight crashed shortly after takeoff from Ethiopia’s capital on Sunday morning, killing all 157 people thought to be on board, the airline and state broadcaster said, as anxious families rushed to airports in Addis Ababa and the destination, Nairobi. At AP: https://apnews.com/537d562d9fd94cbd86e708dbb2ed3a55 At BBC: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-47513508 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted March 10, 2019 #2 Share Posted March 10, 2019 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted March 10, 2019 #3 Share Posted March 10, 2019 another 737 MAX? This has to raise some questions surely. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted March 10, 2019 #4 Share Posted March 10, 2019 3 hours ago, Vlad the Mighty said: another 737 MAX? This has to raise some questions surely. Ugly pattern that can't be conveniently laid at the altar of pilot error. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoofGardener Posted March 10, 2019 #5 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Hmm... two crashes in two years.. of about 350 in service. Not sure what to make of that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toast Posted March 10, 2019 #6 Share Posted March 10, 2019 It seems the problem is known for month but not fixed yet. Quote 11th Feb 2019, 04:56 // Boeing 737 Max Software Fixes Due to Lion Air Crash Delayed Engineering and regulatory complications are expected to delay safety fixes covering hundreds of Boeing Co. BA -0.06% 737 MAX jets until at least April, according to industry and government officials familiar with the details. Boeing is developing revised software for an automated flight-control feature that can forcefully push down the nose of MAX aircraft and was implicated in a high-profile Lion Air crash in Indonesia this past October. But the work has dragged on months longer than initially anticipated following the accident, these officials said. More 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted March 10, 2019 #7 Share Posted March 10, 2019 So two crashes in six months and they just smoothly talk about "a known fix"? Then damn well ground them all until it can be done. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+susieice Posted March 11, 2019 #8 Share Posted March 11, 2019 6 hours ago, Vlad the Mighty said: So two crashes in six months and they just smoothly talk about "a known fix"? Then damn well ground them all until it can be done. Countries are beginning to ground the aircraft. China and Cayman Islands announced they are and more are expected to follow. https://paxex.aero/2019/03/737-max-grounded-china-ethiopian-et302-crash/ The Ethiopian pilots had been telling air traffic control they were having a hard time controlling the aircraft and were going to return to the airport. There are questions waiting for Boeing. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/03/10/ethiopian-airlines-crash-boeing-questions-737-max-8-safety/3126793002/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted March 11, 2019 #9 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Last maintenance in February and it only had 1200 service hours. Damn... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+susieice Posted March 11, 2019 #10 Share Posted March 11, 2019 (edited) Indonesia and Ethiopia have now grounded their planes. https://globalnews.ca/news/5042684/ethiopian-airlines-boeing-737-max-8/ The US is continuing to fly them but the news said today that you can find out if a flight you are scheduling is using this 737. If you feel uncomfortable, you should schedule a flight that does not use this type of plane. http://time.com/5549047/which-airlines-boeing-737-max-8/ Edited March 11, 2019 by susieice 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+susieice Posted March 11, 2019 #11 Share Posted March 11, 2019 American Airlines has told their flight attendants they will not be force to fly on the 737 MAX 8 if they feel unsafe. The union had expressed concern. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/03/11/american-airlines-flight-attendants-union-has-concerns-737-max-ethiopian-airlines-safety/3130431002/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer77 Posted March 11, 2019 #12 Share Posted March 11, 2019 8 minutes ago, susieice said: American Airlines has told their flight attendants they will not be force to fly on the 737 MAX 8 if they feel unsafe. The union had expressed concern. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/03/11/american-airlines-flight-attendants-union-has-concerns-737-max-ethiopian-airlines-safety/3130431002/ I have a short flight coming up and was only worried about trying to find a non-stop. Now I'm making sure its not on American or Southwest too 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the frog Posted March 11, 2019 #13 Share Posted March 11, 2019 (edited) On 3/10/2019 at 5:17 PM, Vlad the Mighty said: So two crashes in six months and they just smoothly talk about "a known fix"? Then damn well ground them all until it can be done. Airline can just put the function off with a switch.... Boeing can just tell its client to let it at off position. The fix is about an option of the autopilot added in the latest variant of the 737. All other 737 variant fly without it. Edited March 11, 2019 by Jon the frog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+susieice Posted March 12, 2019 #14 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Singapore and Mexico have just grounded theirs. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-12/aeromexico-becomes-latest-to-ground-the-737-max-boeing-update 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldorado Posted March 12, 2019 Author #15 Share Posted March 12, 2019 The UK's Civil Aviation Authority is banning any commercial passenger flights by Boeing 737 Max aircraft from "arriving, departing or overflying UK airspace", it has announced. https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/boeing-737-max-plane-banned-15961832 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toast Posted March 12, 2019 #16 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Just in: Germany and Austria banned flyovers/arrivals/departures of Max8 A/Cs as well. BOEING stocks went down by 6,5% today (NYSE). Go short! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+susieice Posted March 12, 2019 #17 Share Posted March 12, 2019 (edited) So has France, India and Australia. The EU banned the flights after so many countries individually did. They are stilling flying at the present in the USA. There's a long list. https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/12/africa/airlines-suspend-boeing-flights-intl/index.html Edited March 12, 2019 by susieice 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toast Posted March 12, 2019 #18 Share Posted March 12, 2019 (edited) Quote Early Tuesday, Dennis A. Muilenburg, the chief executive of Boeing, spoke to President Trump on the phone and made the case that the 737 Max planes should not be grounded in the United States, according to two people briefed on the conversation. NYT Issue addressed to the head of the USCOE (United States Center of Excellence) already, so dont worry. ("Belgium is a wonderful city") Edited March 12, 2019 by toast 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+susieice Posted March 12, 2019 #19 Share Posted March 12, 2019 (edited) I'm glad I'm not traveling soon. Passengers probably won't be able to cancel flights and get refunds anyway if they don't want to fly on the plane. No way would I get on that plane until it's proven safe. https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/11/politics/737-max-8-plane-crash-passenger-options/index.html According to USA Today, people are calling for those planes to be grounded and it appears airlines are working with concerned passengers. https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/flights/2019/03/11/boeing-737-max-8-debunking-travel-myths-ethiopian-airlines-lion-air-southwest-american-airlines/3136187002/ Edited March 12, 2019 by susieice 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+susieice Posted March 12, 2019 #20 Share Posted March 12, 2019 37 minutes ago, toast said: Issue addressed to the head of the USCOE (United States Center of Excellence) already, so dont worry. ("Belgium is a wonderful city") If this site is to be believed, here's what Trump has tweeted. Senators are calling for the plane to be grounded. https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/12/trump-boeing-plane-crash-1217372 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toast Posted March 12, 2019 #21 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 hour ago, susieice said: If this site is to be believed, here's what Trump has tweeted. Senators are calling for the plane to be grounded. https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/12/trump-boeing-plane-crash-1217372 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+susieice Posted March 12, 2019 #22 Share Posted March 12, 2019 @toast I've heard talk for quite awhile about how hard those systems are to disengage if something happens. Pilots were also saying they had not been trained on the system in this aircraft. https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/u-s-pilots-flying-737-max-werent-told-about-new-automatic-systems-change-linked-to-lion-air-crash/ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+susieice Posted March 13, 2019 #23 Share Posted March 13, 2019 New Zealand has now banned the plane from their airspace. That pretty much leaves the US and Canada that are still allowing the plane to fly. https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/boeing-737-max-8-ethiopia-airlines-crash/index.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer77 Posted March 13, 2019 #24 Share Posted March 13, 2019 6 hours ago, susieice said: @toast I've heard talk for quite awhile about how hard those systems are to disengage if something happens. Pilots were also saying they had not been trained on the system in this aircraft. https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/u-s-pilots-flying-737-max-werent-told-about-new-automatic-systems-change-linked-to-lion-air-crash/ This is insane. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+susieice Posted March 13, 2019 #25 Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) Boeing and the NTSB are in Ethiopia to help with the black boxes, but Ethiopia has told them they want the UK to do it. This is according to the Wall Street Journal. You can't read the whole article but I'll post the link. I can understand why they would want the download done by an independent party. https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-ethiopia-maneuver-over-crashed-planes-black-boxes-11552444534 Edited March 13, 2019 by susieice 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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