How can scientists hide evidence alien life?

[Orphalesion]

Just now, anton00 said:

It's not easy to be pragmatic in those reasonings. This has a lot to do with thought experiments as well. What else can we do anyway?

Imagine a day when media announce there's an evidence of the existence of extraterrestrial life: what kind of extraterrestrial life forms do you think it could be about? (just for fun)

Oh that's a very difficult question. Considering it's a gigantic cosmos out there, anything and everything could be found there,

Maybe there's some sort of extraterrestrial life quite close and the the first aliens we find will just be some worm-like organisms under the ice of Europa. I also like the idea of floating organisms in the atmospheres  of Jupiter or Saturn. Or Methane-based life on Titan in the form of fungi and insects (just imagine to them Earth would be a unimaginably hot hellworld!) We might discover them in some way without having any means of getting to them, if they live as far away as Saturn/Titan and we might know of their existence for decades before we are able to find out what these live forms look like.

Of course some day in the future a probe or exploration vessel from Earth might land in the Trappist system and find an ocean planet where there is nothing living but giant tangles of (basically) algae and plankton. Or maybe they find a world with organisms as exotic as the ones invented by Monsieur Mœbius.

Maybe there is a whole Galactic UN around us and one day one of their vessels has to crash-land on Earth and Rosswell becomes a reality.  Or maybe the aliens aren't really all that different from us, all sitting on their planets having the same (or similar) problems all wondering whether they are the only ones.

[acute]

2 hours ago, anton00 said:

How could some scientists hide the evidence of the existence of extraterrestrial life to all the other scientists and to official Science?

I believe that aliens  exist, but the governments cover it up to prevent mass panic. Scientists are probably 'encouraged' to keep quiet.

Just my humble opinion.

Edited March 10, 2019 by acute

['Walt' E. Kurtz]

I believe we are not alone in the universe but what kind of lifeform it might be is another question.  

[ant0n]

14 minutes ago, acute said:

I believe that aliens  exist, but the governments cover it up to prevent mass panic. Scientists are probably 'encouraged' to keep quiet.

Just my humble opinion.

I believe there exist extraterrestrial life forms (from primitive to evolved). I look forward to the day when that belief will lead its place to a fact.

I cannot be quite sure there's no hidden evidence (of alien existence) on Earth. However, I rely on regular Science to let me know about the facts regarding extraterrestrial life.

[bison]

 It doesn't seem at all likely that real scientists would want to conceal extraterrestrial life. In any case, if intelligent extraterrestrials wanted to have an overt presence on Earth, I don't believe that there would be anything scientists could do to conceal them, even supposing they wanted to do so.

These rumors of a conspiracy of secrecy between extraterrestrials and Earth governments sound absurd to me. Such powerful beings could undoubtedly accomplish their goals without striking deals with anyone on Earth. In fact, they'd very probably be better off without such entanglements. 

Edited March 10, 2019 by bison

[ant0n]

27 minutes ago, Impedancer said:

I believe we are not alone in the universe but what kind of lifeform it might be is another question.  

Please tell me: what kind of extraterrestrial life form would be required so that we, Earthlings are not "alone in the Universe"?

Would we still be alone even if the only ET life we know are Martian bacteria (for example)?

Or would we necessarily need a more evolved ET life so that we're not "alone in the Universe" any longer?

[MWoo7]

Oh it won't be bacteria ,,, didn't you watch """"""  Battlefield Earth" ?  *humour***** (no I'm not a fan of the giant nose that looks like it had a few centimeters cut off recently by the way)....okay I'll hold hands and spell it out... 'Tommy Boy' Tom Cruise ... ssscientology.... Hubbard kid... the author of "Battlefield Earth" book AND! sssscientology godfather.  Some can spin a tale but nothing is as good as the rocks in a hat or maybe it was down in hole guy that also quoted and referenced constantly the characters of a bible to lend weight to his tales now that farm boy was CLEVER!!!!!!!!

Edited March 10, 2019 by MWoo7

[acute]

27 minutes ago, anton00 said:

Would we still be alone even if the only ET life we know are Martian bacteria (for example)?

Finding any form of life so close to home would tell us that the Earth is far from unique, and we can expect there to be millions of civilizations in the universe(s).

[zep73]

If you ask me, the chance of a future CE5 event is about 0.0001%. And that's being very optimistic.

The chance that a CE5 has already happened, and has been kept secret is about 0.000004%.

[bison]

Not being alone in the Universe seems to suggest the presence of intelligent, reasoning beings, not too unlike ourselves. We are only very distant relations to bacteria. Extraterrestrial bacteria would have no cognizance that we even exited, even if we knew that they did.  

Edited March 10, 2019 by bison

['Walt' E. Kurtz]

1 hour ago, anton00 said:

Please tell me: what kind of extraterrestrial life form would be required so that we, Earthlings are not "alone in the Universe"?

Would we still be alone even if the only ET life we know are Martian bacteria (for example)?

Or would we necessarily need a more evolved ET life so that we're not "alone in the Universe" any longer?

It doesn't have to be green men with antennas to me any living lifeform would do and we're not alone if we would now manage to find life and i suspect that the lifeform we would encounter or find is very simple and basic. 

Edited March 10, 2019 by Impedancer

[acute]

30 minutes ago, Impedancer said:

It doesn't have to be green men with antennas to me any living lifeform would do and we're not alone if we would now manage to find life and i suspect that the lifeform we would encounter or find is very simple and basic. 

Hello Impedancer.

Just curious..... Do you rule out advanced life-forms?  If so, why?

['Walt' E. Kurtz]

6 minutes ago, acute said:

Hello Impedancer.

Just curious..... Do you rule out advanced life-forms?  If so, why?

I dont rule out advanced lifeforms but i suspect the life we would find would be the most common and basic like a simple single cellform. 

[acute]

Just now, Impedancer said:

i suspect the life we would find would be the most common and basic like a simple single cellform. 

Why?

['Walt' E. Kurtz]

7 minutes ago, acute said:

 

I know it sound stupid :-) The chance of finding advanced lifeforms is very slim then the chance of finding basic common lifeform must then be greater or more plasuable it is just the way the nature work evilution :-P

Edited March 11, 2019 by Impedancer

[acute]

2 minutes ago, Impedancer said:

The chance of finding advanced lifeforms is very slim

I can't think why, TBH.

Do you think that Earth is unique, or the first civilization in existence?

['Walt' E. Kurtz]

5 minutes ago, acute said:

I can't think why, TBH.

Do you think that Earth is unique, or the first civilization in existence?

I think it's unique but not the first civilization in existance. Who knows the truth is out there.. 

[TrumanB]

5 hours ago, Piney said:

I was in the military security field and knew guys who guarded the Skunk Works at Area 51. There are also several former special ops guys who are members here that know people there.  Sorry, no aliens.

 

One of the forum writers said that he had family members who worked in Area 51 and that there is something alien there... whom am I to trust.

[Piney]

3 minutes ago, TrumanB said:

One of the forum writers said that he had family members who worked in Area 51 and that there is something alien there... whom am I to trust.

"Members"? Having family members working on the same military base is against policy. You can Google that. But the only thing alien there is Larry, a Lockheed-Martin engineer's   farts.

 Trust me kid. They're blowing smoke up your ass.  

[Piney]

3 hours ago, acute said:

I can't think why, TBH.

Do you think that Earth is unique, or the first civilization in existence?

The Universe is. 13.5 BY

The Earth is 4.5 BY

The Earth is both unique in it's size and location.

The Earth has a big enough moon to keep the wobble down and worldwide windstorms from forming allowing upright life. This moon was created in a accident which has about a 10T to 1 chance of happening.

"Super Earths" are a misnomer. They are more like mini Neptunes. They would have extremely thick atmospheres which wouldn't allow upright life or the use of fire.

Fire is a necessity for technology. Which means you not only need oxygen, but just enough. ( see above)

Sun like stars are not common and the ones that are detected have gas giants or Mini Neptunes in their "Goldilocks Zone".

 Any technological life is going to be meateaters (think tools and fire)

The odds don't look good. 

Yes, we are probably unique. 

 

 

[Habitat]

1 minute ago, Piney said:

The Universe is. 13.5 BY

The Earth is 4.5 BY

The Earth is both unique in it's size and location.

The Earth has a big enough moon to keep the wobble down and worldwide windstorms from forming allowing upright life. This moon was created in a accident which has about a 10T to 1 chance of happening.

"Super Earths" are a misnomer. They are more like mini Neptunes. They would have extremely thick atmospheres which wouldn't allow upright life or the use of fire.

Fire is a necessity for technology. Which means you not only need oxygen, but just enough. ( see above)

Sun like stars are not common and the ones that are detected have gas giants or Mini Neptunes in their "Goldilocks Zone".

 Any technological life is going to be meateaters (think tools and fire)

The odds don't look good. 

Yes, we are probably unique. 

 

 

Interesting post. Are these ideas more or less original to you ? The part about Sun-like stars seems incorrect.

[Piney]

12 minutes ago, Habitat said:

Interesting post. Are these ideas more or less original to you ? The part about Sun-like stars seems incorrect.

Pretty much. My sister and I talked on it for hours and threw ideas back and forth.  It comes from a combination of different interests.  I don't have a background in astronomy but it always interested me. Rowan U. has a big astronomy department and lot of fun reading even though archaeology is mine and biology is my sister's. 

The most common stars, and the ones with Earth size planets are red dwarfs and their "Goldlocks Zones" suffer from flares and extreme radiation. Plant life would be probable, but it would be ugly..

Edited March 11, 2019 by Piney
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[Habitat]

13 minutes ago, Piney said:

Pretty much. My sister and I talked on it for hours and threw ideas back and forth.  It comes from a combination of different interests.  I don't have a background in astronomy but it always interested me. Rowan U. has a big astronomy department and lot of fun reading even though archaeology is mine and biology is my sister's. 

The most common stars, and the ones with Earth size planets are red dwarfs and their "Goldlocks Zones" suffer from flares and extreme radiation. Plant life would be probable, but it would be ugly..

It is a type of question where "one can only wonder" seems an apt response. Where are you getting the idea of the moon affecting winds on Earth from ?

[Piney]

2 minutes ago, Habitat said:

It is a type of question where "one can only wonder" seems an apt response. Where are you getting the idea of the moon affecting winds on Earth from ?

It controls how fast we spin. It slows us down. 

[the13bats]

I entertained the story book folklore type idea, ooh, we have crashed aliens and their craft, i would think sure the powers that be do not believe we little sheep can handle the truth, hum, of course all the governments and people in the loop of the world involved would be okay with keeping the secret...for the better good of course, starts to unravel there and keeps getting worse, a day and age a potus can boost where to grab women while paying hush money ( which made them do anything but hush ) to pornstars he had affairs with while boasting he could shoot someone in time square and still get elected, nope, not picking on him im using it to show how desensitized people are, that and if there was a craft and or alien which is what it would take to prove the case i do not in my wildest dreams believes everyone involved would keep it secret, nope, it would be the biggest tool the biggest weapon a person could have, it's fun fodder for sci fi flicks but fails in reailty.