FBI RICO Operation “Varsity Blues”

[+OverSword]

59 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

Well it is nice if you spend $2.4 million on a building that everybody can use, its nice if you fund a chair in a university department. It is nice and maybe even the responsible thing to do to hire tutors and provide you child with experiences that further his education.  It is not so nice to hire somebody to take a test for your kid or bribe a coach to bring your kid in with a sport he doesn't even play.Is that irresponsible?

  What lesson do you teach your child when he is 18; that laws only apply to those without money and cheating is OK if you get what you want?   What has he learned after four years of parties and hired test takers and term paper writers?    Does this breed self reliance, strength of character, or knowledge?  Probably not.  Will this be the new crop of leaders that will guide our industry and politics?

Use all of your money to help your family, just don't cheat.

I’m just not surprised, not condoning it.

[Raptor Witness]

On 3/13/2019 at 6:42 PM, aztek said:

still do not care much about athletes, but i do "care" about those who bribed their way thru med school, maybe it is partially the reason we have 1\4 of a million fatal medical mistakes 

I can tell from experience that making it into medical school is not as easy as bribery allows. Unless you have someone willing to take your place, day in and day out, you would be wasting your dime.

The mistakes being made in medicine, today are largely due to simple human error. Most jobs are simply more forgiving of our mistakes.

There is a fair amount of corruption in any human endeavor, but the danger for rebellion is growing due to social media and television. Seeing the unfairness firsthand is particularly dangerous, and this comes from a very old part of our brain, as evidenced below in a now famous experiment.

It was only a matter of time before some of the test subjects began throwing rocks.

I expect next, it will be small groups, and not just these lone wolves.

 

[Raptor Witness]

 

[aztek]

[Myles]

Oops.    

Shameless" star William H. Macy's responses to a series of random questions asked during an interview with Men's Journal are beginning to pop up after his wife Felicity Huffman was charged in an elite college admissions scam that led to dozens of arrests last week.

Fans began pointing out the irony of Macy's answers after learning the actor's wife was allegedly connected to the nationwide scandal.

During the interview, Macy was asked to share the "best advice" he's ever received.

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"Never lie. It’s the cheapest way to go. Lies cost you a lot, and they’re never worth what they cost," Macy told Men's Journal at the time.

He also revealed the success to his more than two-decade marriage to Huffman: communication.

"Never lie. It’s the cheapest way to go. Lies cost you a lot, and they’re never worth what they cost."

— William H. Macy

"Sooner or later you’re going to have to talk about it. My wife likes to talk, but I’m not a fan of talking because talking leads to communication, and from there it’s a slippery slope to feelings, and then the next thing you know, you’re living in your life. Nobody wants that," Macy said.

Macy was then asked to discuss the "human qualities" he despises the most.

"Dishonesty. Self-delusion. Lack of character," responded Macy, before slamming President Trump.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/william-h-macys-advice-before-felicity-huffmans-arrest-in-college-admissions-scam-resurfaces

[travelnjones]

Seems like there should be a rebuilding of the college system.  The costs are rampant and the admission system apparently broken.  There are too many pointless majors, Political Science what a waste of societies resources.  Politicizing in places it should not be.  Forcing diversity classes, when economics are not required after you have just racked up 50000 of debt.  Requiring a class for graduation that is not directly going to contribute to earning potential is basically strong arm robbery at the costs we are talking.

We probably need a STEM college system that works like star bucks.  We are getting up to 90% capacity, ok we will start spinning up another.  

[Raptor Witness]

Paul Manafort is another example of rampant fraud, accidentally caught.

So we know the iceberg is big enough to sink U.S.

[Raptor Witness]

On 3/12/2019 at 2:41 PM, aztek said:

yea, just ask Cubans, Venezuelans for an advice.  

 this has nothing to do with capitalism, but with corruption, and crimes that exists in every part of society,  poor or rich.  

and if you think corruption does not exist in socialist regime, lmao, there is much more of it there.

maybe the biggest, and possibly only reason, you hate rich, is that you are not one of them?

 I never said I hated rich people. I don’t recall saying that I “hated” anybody.

There are several socialist style European countries that fare quite well in the world. They’re not perfect by any means, but they certainly have a longer life expectancy then the poor United States does right now, as a developed nation.

There are plenty of good rich people in the world, I just don’t see European style socialism as a huge impediment to their success.  We basically had the same tax brackets back in the late 50s and early 60s, if my history serves me correct, and I don’t think it was the end of the world for the rich.

Canada fares quite well, and I wouldn’t say that they are an impediment to success either, success is going to happen whether you’re taxed or not,  if that is your desire, in fact I would argue that if you are taxed more, you strive to find other ways to be successful in your life, besides just making money. 

Perhaps some sort of happy medium between European or  Canadian style socialism and what we have now in the United States would be more effective, as an experiment.

Things are just not working the way they are, and I don’t think anyone would argue that they are, unless they are rich, and they were secretly bad.

 

Edited March 19, 2019 by Raptor Witness

[aztek]

2 hours ago, Raptor Witness said:

 I never said I hated rich people. I don’t recall saying that I “hated” anybody.

There are several socialist style European countries that fare quite well in the world. They’re not perfect by any means, but they certainly have a longer life expectancy then the poor United States does right now, as a developed nation.

There are plenty of good rich people in the world, I just don’t see European style socialism as a huge impediment to their success.  We basically had the same tax brackets back in the late 50s and early 60s, if my history serves me correct, and I don’t think it was the end of the world for the rich.

Canada fares quite well, and I wouldn’t say that they are an impediment to success either, success is going to happen whether you’re taxed or not,  if that is your desire, in fact I would argue that if you are taxed more, you strive to find other ways to be successful in your life, besides just making money. 

Perhaps some sort of happy medium between European or  Canadian style socialism and what we have now in the United States would be more effective, as an experiment.

Things are just not working the way they are, and I don’t think anyone would argue that they are, unless they are rich, and they were secretly bad.

 

no they are not, they are capitalist countries with social programs, in order to sustain them  their gvmnt has to tax poor  higher than here,  and i've been to those countries,  i can't see what is better about them, i honestly can't.

Edited March 19, 2019 by aztek

[travelnjones]

12 hours ago, Raptor Witness said:

Paul Manafort is another example of rampant fraud, accidentally caught.

So we know the iceberg is big enough to sink U.S.

? I thought the thread was about school admissions 

[Raptor Witness]

On 3/19/2019 at 1:15 PM, travelnjones said:

? I thought the thread was about school admissions 

What does “tip of the iceberg,” mean in English?

I mean, gosh forbid of this was just part of a broader conspiracy involving bad rich people in the United States.

Did it ever occur to you, that perhaps this admissions investigation is just a clever way for the FBI to inoculate themselves against all the bad press that’s going to result when the Mueller report, actually exposes the rampant fraud that has been allowed to go on, right under the FBI’s noses? 

Perhaps you are naïve about how they operate, but I’m certainly not. I’ve known for a long time, certainly going back to 2013 that the FBI is not a real good guy operation. They’re a good ole boy operation.

The way you clean house, and I mean really clean house, is to sweep across the entire country with a broom of destruction so great, that the entire ice berg is left standing on dry ground.

If you still think that’s impossible, you haven’t been paying attention.

 

 

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[Raptor Witness]

This story sort of reminds me of one of my favorite episodes on the original Star Trek series.

Gene Roddenberry had an amazing mind, when it came to social issues.

 

[Farmer77]

Man its almost like they said "fine , we cant bribe our way to keep colleges for the elites so we'll just find other ways to keep folks out"

Trump administration wants to put a limit on student loan borrowing

[Doc Socks Junior]

2 hours ago, Farmer77 said:

Man its almost like they said "fine , we cant bribe our way to keep colleges for the elites so we'll just find other ways to keep folks out"

Trump administration wants to put a limit on student loan borrowing

How is enacting borrowing limits so that folks don't exit college hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt such a terrible thing?   Especially since colleges can just keep driving up costs if unlimited borrowing happens.

But this is the Trump administration, so automatically bad.  Resist!  Even if it's illogical.

[Farmer77]

17 minutes ago, Socks Junior said:

How is enacting borrowing limits so that folks don't exit college hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt such a terrible thing?   Especially since colleges can just keep driving up costs if unlimited borrowing happens.

Because theyre siding with the corporations and not the citizens. If you really want to help how about forcing the colleges to lower their costs rather than limiting access to their education for folks who cant afford it out of pocket?

 

Edited March 20, 2019 by Farmer77

[travelnjones]

I think the problem with colleges and specifically elite colleges is their money never goes to the building of new colleges.  In theory that would allow for a more fair application process (by accepting more) and lower costs.   A university system like University of California theoretically should be able to manage money to increase the overall number of colleges but don't seem to be able to do this.  Also you have the inherent value of the college name so they are less apt to dilute that name.  

I mentioned a Stem college system above, I think there is something there.  In San Jose in the pasts real estate developers were required to build schools for the neighborhoods they build.  Perhaps the large tech companies could be induced to build these colleges as a mutual benefit to society and themselves.  They create a new college in a town of about 10000, and put up a satellite campus there so they can soak up all the best engineers from that school.  It could even be Amazons second hq.  Even build a campus dorm completely on the corporate network so they have an easy transition. 

[Doc Socks Junior]

2 hours ago, Farmer77 said:

Because theyre siding with the corporations and not the citizens. If you really want to help how about forcing the colleges to lower their costs rather than limiting access to their education for folks who cant afford it out of pocket?

 

What does 'siding with the corporations' mean in this context? 

Yeah, college costs are out of control.  We agree there.  But unlimited borrowing doesn't help it, and in fact contributes to it.  Sure borrowing 60k a year to attend Private McU gets you 'access' to their education.  But the whole racket of the rich getting richer isn't going to change - and is based on so much more than simply the nominal 'education' at Private McU.  And then the people who couldn't afford it are even more screwed with a 240k of debt and still no opportunities. 

[Farmer77]

1 minute ago, Socks Junior said:

What does 'siding with the corporations' mean in this context? 

Yeah, college costs are out of control.  We agree there.  But unlimited borrowing doesn't help it, and in fact contributes to it.  Sure borrowing 60k a year to attend Private McU gets you 'access' to their education.  But the whole racket of the rich getting richer isn't going to change - and is based on so much more than simply the nominal 'education' at Private McU.  And then the people who couldn't afford it are even more screwed with a 240k of debt and still no opportunities. 

Corporations meaning the colleges, fully understanding that not all are.

You're not wrong and once upon a time I actually agreed with you and the administration on this issue. The older I get though the more I want to see all obstacles to higher education eliminated and this move to me is just one in the wrong direction.

[aztek]

 

 

Edited March 20, 2019 by aztek

[Farmer77]

Yeah thats cute and all but what happens if Bob wakes up with MS one day and cant do physical labor?

I think trades are wonderful and have one myself I can fall back on but discouraging the pursuit of education is insanity.

[travelnjones]

There are a lot of degrees that probably shouldn't be offered.  Even in STEM i would limit a few of the softer sciences. 

The humanities have a place but probably just the classical fields.  Any required enrichment/diversity classes should be free if it can not be directly linked to earning potential.  Again I think its criminal colleges costing what they do with no economics requirements.  I think high schools should have them as well.

Sports should also be removed from colleges.  The how alumni money is a big problem as they create a "Closed system" of money that never escapes the college.  They have no reason to use it to build a second campus.  They have this weird for profit nature but with no accountability.    Publicly  traded companies have to go over their numbers.  Two numbers the university should be evaluated by are past student educational debt and increase in number of students it serves.  Student debt is a metric on the value of the education and serving an increasing number of students ( therefore turning away less) a measure of the fairness of application process.

[aztek]

12 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

Yeah thats cute and all but what happens if Bob wakes up with MS one day and cant do physical labor?

I think trades are wonderful and have one myself I can fall back on but discouraging the pursuit of education is insanity.

does not matter, he still be better off than jim, who will still be unemployed with his liberal art degree, 100k debt, and no experience. no credit history. 

 

[Farmer77]

3 minutes ago, aztek said:

does not matter, he still be better off than jim, who will still be unemployed with his liberal art degree, 100k debt, and no experience. no credit history. 

 

So Bob would be unemployed, have a car payment, a mortgage payment, some medical bills and of course utilities AND is now unable to obtain meaningful employment and that is somehow better? LOL think these things through beyond the sloganeering.

 

[aztek]

5 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

So Bob would be unemployed, have a car payment, a mortgage payment, some medical bills and of course utilities AND is now unable to obtain meaningful employment and that is somehow better? LOL think these things through beyond the sloganeering.

 

but in real world bob will have much less chances of waking up with MS, than Jim get in troubles with a law. it is just so happens that people who have lots of time on their hands and nothing to do, especially who need money,  do stupid things, and get in troubles with a law, and that limits your employment pretty bad, and not just an employment.

anything can happen tomorrow to any of them , but today Jim is a worthless loser, and bob is a winner.

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[Farmer77]

1 minute ago, aztek said:

but in real world bob will have much less chances of waking up with MS, than Jim get in troubles with a law. it is just so happens that people who have lots of time on their hands and nothing to do, especially who need money,  do stupid things, and get in troubles with a law, and that limits your employment pretty bad, and not just an employment 

Damn this is rich. If it were parody I would subscribe to whatever comedy service you were selling!!!!!!

So now getting a liberal arts degree equates to a life of crime