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US ambassador Richard Grenell is acting like "a high commissioner of an occupying power," the deputy leader of the Free Democrats (FDP) has said. Grenell has also drawn rebuffs from Germany's two governing parties.

Wolfgang Kubicki, the deputy chairman of the opposition Free Democrats (FDP), said Richard Grenell's repeated interference in German sovereignty should prompt Foreign Minister Heiko Maas to immediately declare Grenell persona non grata.

 "Any US diplomat who acts like a high commissioner of an occupying power must learn that our tolerance also knows its limits," said Kubicki, who is also one of five deputy speakers of Germany's Bundestag parliament.

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Carsten Schneider, caucus manager of the Social Democrats (SPD) within the parliament, told the German news agency DPA on Tuesday that "Mr Grenell is a complete diplomatic failure."

Source: Deutsche Welle

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Vlad the Mighty

Ever since the Bush (II) regime, Washington does seem to have a habit of having some of the least diplomatic diplomats ever. Sometimes they seem rather reminiscent of old Joachim von Ribbentrop. 

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It seems pretty logical to me.  If the guy is representing the U.S. and he sees Germany backsliding on promises to make modest increases to NATO spending (as they promised to do) then he's expressing his concern.  After all, what Germany does will have a ripple effect through the rest of NATO.  Free ride is over, boys.  You are sovereign and can welcome as many immigrants as you like and do business with whomever you want but don't expect dear old uncle to keep paying for most of your defense.  Fair enough, huh?

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Hammerclaw
10 minutes ago, and then said:

It seems pretty logical to me.  If the guy is representing the U.S. and he sees Germany backsliding on promises to make modest increases to NATO spending (as they promised to do) then he's expressing his concern.  After all, what Germany does will have a ripple effect through the rest of NATO.  Free ride is over, boys.  You are sovereign and can welcome as many immigrants as you like and do business with whomever you want but don't expect dear old uncle to keep paying for most of your defense.  Fair enough, huh?

They never had a free ride, not ever. The Bundeswehr, founded in 1955, was the European backbone of NATO defense for much of the Cold War--especially after the French packed their bags and left. West Germany was an armed camp until the Wall fell. They had two decades of peace before the Obama Administration reignited the Cold War. Like us, they enjoyed those years, of which we had many more on the other side of the world. They let their guard down, that's all. If they should feel genuinely threatened, however... well, this time I'm glad they're on our side.

The Bundeswehr (German: [ˈbʊndəsˌveːɐ̯] (listen), Federal Defence) is the unified armed forces of Germany and their civil administration and procurement authorities. The States of Germany are not allowed to maintain armed forces of their own, since the German Constitution states that matters of defense fall into the sole responsibility of the federal government.
The Bundeswehr is divided into a military part (armed forces or Streitkräfte) and a civil part with the armed forces administration (Wehrverwaltung). The military part of the federal defense force consists of the German Army, the German Navy, the German Air Force, the Joint Support Service, the Joint Medical Service, and the Cyber and Information Space Command.
As of 31 January 2019 , the Bundeswehr has a strength of 181,512 active soldiers, placing it among the 30 largest military forces in the world and making it the second largest in the European Union behind France in terms of personnel. In addition the Bundeswehr has approximately 27,900 reserve personnel (2017). With German military expenditures at €43.2 billion, the Bundeswehr is among the top ten best-funded forces in the world, even if in terms of share of German GDP, military expenditures remain average at 1.23% and below the NATO target of 2%. Germany aims to expand the Bundeswehr to around 203,000 soldiers by 2025 to better cope with increasing responsibilities.   WIKIPEDIA

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Then they shouldn't miss us if we pull out.  If the issue was a threat to Europe from the USSR, then from the Russian Federation, how much of a threat can old Vlad be if the strongest European nation in NATO is doing a huge volume of its energy business with him?  Let them form their own military, just as Jupiter seems to be on about.  I'm sure they can do a wonderful job of it.  

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1 hour ago, and then said:

Then they shouldn't miss us if we pull out.  If the issue was a threat to Europe from the USSR, then from the Russian Federation, how much of a threat can old Vlad be if the strongest European nation in NATO is doing a huge volume of its energy business with him?  Let them form their own military, just as Jupiter seems to be on about.  I'm sure they can do a wonderful job of it.  

Retreat is not an option; in the nuclear age, there is no safe place to withdraw to. We eschewed membership in the League of Nations in WWI, withdrew to our own shores and left the World to it's own devices--and look what happened. No, it's best not to make that mistake again. As it stands, the EU is balanced on the edge of a knife and if strays too far, it will fail. NATO, for better or for worse, is , or will be, the last best hope for peace.

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aztek
8 minutes ago, and then said:

Then they shouldn't miss us if we pull out.  If the issue was a threat to Europe from the USSR, then from the Russian Federation, how much of a threat can old Vlad be if the strongest European nation in NATO is doing a huge volume of its energy business with him?  Let them form their own military, just as Jupiter seems to be on about.  I'm sure they can do a wonderful job of it.  

if anything in 20-30 years Europe will be Islamic, and Russia may well be our ally.  i know Islam will never qive up until western civilization is no more, they are not even denying it.,

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32 minutes ago, and then said:

It seems pretty logical to me.  If the guy is representing the U.S. and he sees Germany backsliding on promises to make modest increases to NATO spending (as they promised to do) then he's expressing his concern.  After all, what Germany does will have a ripple effect through the rest of NATO.  Free ride is over, boys.  You are sovereign and can welcome as many immigrants as you like and do business with whomever you want but don't expect dear old uncle to keep paying for most of your defense.  Fair enough, huh?

You missed the point that Grenell isnt interested in diplomatic negotiations with Germany, but he is in the opinion that Germany is a kind of colony of the US. Just 24hrs after his 2018 inauguration he tried to tell us with whom we have to do businesses or not (Iran). He is a megalomaniac, like his boss, and I think he has a kind of metal issue, thinking its 1945 instead of 2019. Above all, he can eat our a**es.

 

 

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3 hours ago, toast said:

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Oh, I quite agree. The man is far to nakedly and openly honest for a diplomatic posting. He seems oblivious to the fine distinction between what is said and what is done.

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30 minutes ago, toast said:

You missed the point that Grenell isnt interested in diplomatic negotiations with Germany, but he is in the opinion that Germany is a kind of colony of the US. Just 24hrs after his 2018 inauguration he tried to tell us with whom we have to do businesses or not (Iran). He is a megalomaniac, like his boss, and I think he has a kind of metal issue, thinking its 1945 instead of 2019. Above all, he can eat our a**es.

he has knowledge that we do not, so maybe he has a reasons to think that. it's not like EU does not try to tell us what to do, of course we could not care less, but you try anyway. 

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Tatetopa

It will be interesting to see how this plays out in the next 20-30 years.  If the new civil war that some on this site seem to relish does take place, how will the rest of the world align to dismember the corpse?

Is it possible that Russia, China, and Europe might just back the globalist, socialist, leftist, liberals as they near extinction?  After all, they are more attuned to the left's humanist, technologist  values. 

On the other side, the Islamists might come in on the side of the conservative right.  Even though they call God by different names, many of their values and world views are shared.  Or will they tear at each other like Shia and Sunni?

Will the new civil war morph into a new crusade right here on American soil?

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22 minutes ago, toast said:

You missed the point that Grenell isnt interested in diplomatic negotiations with Germany, but he is in the opinion that Germany is a kind of colony of the US. Just 24hrs after his 2018 inauguration he tried to tell us with whom we have to do businesses or not (Iran). He is a megalomaniac, like his boss, and I think he has a kind of metal issue, thinking its 1945 instead of 2019. Above all, he can eat our a**es.

 

 

Hardly 1945. Then, in American Germany, the Americans were conquerors and occupiers, eradicating the last vestiges of Nazism and ostracizing, or prosecuting and imprisoning all former National Socialists. Still, Germans were better off there instead of any of the other sectors. There, at least, there was a chance for at least one meal a day. It was hungry times. The major cities, with few exceptions, were bombed out piles of ruble with homeless wandering through the ruins pushing carts with their few belongings or in bundles or bags. Always they were on the move, hungry and desperately seeking some small surcease from misery. Both sides mutually suspicious and wary of one-another, it was quite a wrenching transition for warriors to become occupiers and seeing for the first time close up, the hated enemy as just human beings like themselves. 

Whatever is happening now, my friend, how ever offended are your sensibilities, don't ever compare it to 1945.

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If the guy is representing the U.S. and he sees Germany backsliding on promises to make modest increases to NATO spending (as they promised to do) then he's expressing his concern.

You dont know the figures but you criticize it. A target of 2% of GDP to be reached by 2024 was agreed during the 2014 Wales summit and in 2019 Germany`s defense budget will be 1,24% of GDP. Whats your point?

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1 hour ago, Tatetopa said:

It will be interesting to see how this plays out in the next 20-30 years.  If the new civil war that some on this site seem to relish does take place, how will the rest of the world align to dismember the corpse?

Is it possible that Russia, China, and Europe might just back the globalist, socialist, leftist, liberals as they near extinction?  After all, they are more attuned to the left's humanist, technologist  values. 

On the other side, the Islamists might come in on the side of the conservative right.  Even though they call God by different names, many of their values and world views are shared.  Or will they tear at each other like Shia and Sunni?

Will the new civil war morph into a new crusade right here on American soil?

you got it all mixed up, left is the side Muslim domination will come from, left will be responsible for it, they will fight right for protecting their culture, screaming all kinds of phobias, it is actually already happening,  and you seem to be completely oblivious to that, just like many others

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28 minutes ago, aztek said:

you got it all mixed up, left is the side Muslim domination will come from, left will be responsible for it, they will fight right for protecting their culture, screaming all kinds of phobias, it is actually already happening,  and you seem to be completely oblivious to that, just like many others

FYI, this thread is about a wannabe ambassador with a behavior like open pants and not about Muslims, "the left" or any other of your paranoia issues.

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Hammerclaw
37 minutes ago, toast said:

FYI, this thread is about a wannabe ambassador with a behavior like open pants and not about Muslims, "the left" or any other of your paranoia issues.

Sounds about as lovable as this guy.

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Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, toast said:

FYI, this thread is about a wannabe ambassador with a behavior like open pants and not about Muslims, "the left" or any other of your paranoia issues.

FYI, i was responding to a post about Muslims, and the left.  do you actually read what you're replying to?  also i wonder why you did not say that to the guy that actually made a post about Islam and the left, , but you felt the need to tell me.

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Hammerclaw

Alas, not all Americans are Roisenenbombers--some just bomb.

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Tatetopa
2 hours ago, toast said:

FYI, this thread is about a wannabe ambassador with a behavior like open pants and not about Muslims, "the left" or any other of your paranoia issues.

My apologies for leading off track toast.

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4 hours ago, toast said:

You missed the point that Grenell isnt interested in diplomatic negotiations with Germany, but he is in the opinion that Germany is a kind of colony of the US. Just 24hrs after his 2018 inauguration he tried to tell us with whom we have to do businesses or not (Iran). He is a megalomaniac, like his boss, and I think he has a kind of metal issue, thinking its 1945 instead of 2019. Above all, he can eat our a**es.

 

 

He isn't a free agent.  He answers to his boss and if he offends you, tough.  If Germany wants to pay the full load for defending itself and its vassal states in what they're calling the EU, then go for it bruh.  Over here, we're tired of carrying a load and being spit on for the privilege.  Most Americans think it's far past time for Europe to defend itself.  If Germany is determined to do business with a country that is deemed an enemy by the U.S. and to become dependent on Russia for its energy needs then Germany can pay its own way and not worry about listening to any U.S. official of any rank.  WWII was over 6+ decades ago.  Time you guys put on your big-boy pants.

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This is the arrogance of the t*t:

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As @realDonaldTrump said, US sanctions will target critical sectors of Iran’s economy. German companies doing business in Iran should wind down operations immediately.

 

 

Sorry, Germany's capital is now Washington? So this kind of arrogance is a price worth paying for Washington's protection against the Red Hordes? 

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Vlad the Mighty
11 hours ago, and then said:

He isn't a free agent.  He answers to his boss and if he offends you, tough.  If Germany wants to pay the full load for defending itself and its vassal states in what they're calling the EU, then go for it bruh.  Over here, we're tired of carrying a load and being spit on for the privilege.  Most Americans think it's far past time for Europe to defend itself.  If Germany is determined to do business with a country that is deemed an enemy by the U.S. and to become dependent on Russia for its energy needs then Germany can pay its own way and not worry about listening to any U.S. official of any rank.  WWII was over 6+ decades ago.  Time you guys put on your big-boy pants.

Funny how Uncle Sam always demands that everywhere obeys its commands, but then says just like you say above. If Uncle Sam is so tired of carrying the load for the effete Euros who if it wasn't for Uncle Sam's protection would have been overrun by the Red Hordes years ago, then why does it keep ordering every other country to do as it commands?

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Vlad the Mighty
13 hours ago, Hammerclaw said:

Sounds about as lovable as this guy.

0g-1959-We-Will-Bury-You.jpg

We saved you from the Reds in 1956, so do as we command, g*ddamit? 

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RAyMO
11 hours ago, and then said:

Most Americans think it's far past time for Europe to defend itself.  If Germany is determined to do business with a country that is deemed an enemy by the U.S. and to become dependent on Russia for its energy needs then Germany can pay its own way and not worry about listening to any U.S. official of any rank.  WWII was over 6+ decades ago.  Time you guys put on your big-boy pants.

I Agree America has over stayed its welcome - or over played its hand - its new economic military tactics - make it clear that the US wishes to dominate the EU and all its so called allies.

Time for a non cold war look at the price of America as a ally. Perhaps time to go it alone as you say.

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hetrodoxly

He is stupid why would you negotiate with the 'Germans' go straight to the decision makers in Brussels.

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