Will Due Posted May 3, 2019 #2701 Share Posted May 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, onlookerofmayhem said: I am the transition between my parents and children, if I had any. No "missing link." We find individuals of any given species. We do not have a direct line of evidence through every generation. So finding subtle changes through multiple branches evidence shows us that creatures evolve. Just how most offspring are not an exact clone of their parents. If every generation there is change occurring, would that not paint the picture that over many billions of years creatures have simply evolved with different attributes? We're talking about the evolution of different species. You're not a different species than your parents are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted May 3, 2019 #2702 Share Posted May 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, Will Due said: Dogs, moths, and humans are all single species. Although there are variations in species, like Darwin's finches. But they are all the same species of finches. Just like a bulldog and a great dane are both members of the same species. Dogs. That's what evolution is. Variations of a species. There were many types of humans about at one point too. Dogs evolved from wolves who also Hail back to Canis lepophagus. 5 minutes ago, Will Due said: "Organic evolution is a fact; purposive or progressive evolution is a truth" - the UB The theory in evolution is in as much doubt as the theory that the earth revolves around the sun. I often wonder what you would be like if you put the same effort that you put into the UB into academic publications. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted May 3, 2019 #2703 Share Posted May 3, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, psyche101 said: There were many types of humans about at one point too. That's right. But there is no evidence of transition individuals between the many types of different species of humans. Quote Dogs evolved from wolves who also Hail back to Canis lepophagus. All species evolved from earlier existent species. Quote The theory of evolution is in as much doubt as the theory that the earth revolves around the sun. True. But evolution is more than a theory. It's a fact. Quote I often wonder what you would be like if you put the same effort that you put into the UB into academic publications. Now now psyche. Don't give it away that your argumentative defense of your proposition is inversely proportional to the truth contained. Edited May 3, 2019 by Will Due Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted May 3, 2019 #2704 Share Posted May 3, 2019 2 hours ago, Will Due said: That sounds like a good arguement for the existence of God. Evolution is evidence of a common ancestor, not God. 2 hours ago, Will Due said: All biology is related. Just not with "missing links ". That's because of the aforementioned common ancestor. 2 hours ago, Will Due said: I can think for myself. I'm not Einstein but isn't that what he did? Einstein had to provide proof for his thoughts. 2 hours ago, Will Due said: You said: "If you are unaware of it, does that mean it doesn't exist?" This applies inversely to the fact that there's no evidence of missing links. It has never been proposed that new species suddenly exist. Ever. 2 hours ago, Will Due said: The reputations of scientists are at stake. No that's not true at all. Simon Conway Morris is an expert on the Burgess shale fossils. He has provided fact about evolution and he is a devout Christian. He is not at all worried about reputation just for one glaring example. 2 hours ago, Will Due said: They're invested heavily in the existence of the missing links. No the are not. There's no such thing. 2 hours ago, Will Due said: It's fundamental to the theory of natural selection. That there are transitory individuals between one species and another. They haven't found evidence of these individuals. Yes we have. A great many reside in the Smithsonian. 2 hours ago, Will Due said: So if they were honest, they would consider that something else is at work. What you're suggesting is not honest. None of your claims about science or missing links is true. 2 hours ago, Will Due said: Of course, then they'd have to find another way to make a living if they were to go against mainstream anthropology. No they would not. They would be busier than ever and wrote themselves into the history books for such an amazing turn around. It's happened before and scientists benefited greatly, that's why just if the elements in the periodic table are named after their discoverers wheh phlogiston theory became redundant. Science was pretty much rewritten and it was a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted May 3, 2019 #2705 Share Posted May 3, 2019 24 minutes ago, Will Due said: We're talking about the evolution of different species. Some we have more evidence of than others. The evolution of horses and whales changing species is adundanr and clear. The 'missing links' you keep asking for are called vestigial bones and organs. 24 minutes ago, Will Due said: You're not a different species than your parents are you? Yes, part mum, part dad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onlookerofmayhem Posted May 3, 2019 #2706 Share Posted May 3, 2019 16 minutes ago, Will Due said: We're talking about the evolution of different species. You're not a different species than your parents are you? Species is only a way to separate distinctively different creatures. To assemble them into the most genetically similar group. If offspring are capable of being genetically different from their parents, what is the issue with this being applied over millions of years to result in different "species"? Why is it that so many creatures share the same features? Organs, eyes, ears, mouth, nervous system, digestive structures, skeletal system and many others. All with minor variations from each other to form different "species". So many facets of animals are way too similar to ignore their common ancestors. And the further back in the records we can go before there is nothing are simple one celled organisms. As you work you way up the layer thing become more and more complex. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted May 3, 2019 #2707 Share Posted May 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, psyche101 said: Evolution is evidence of a common ancestor, not God. Evolution is evidence of a lot of things. You have a dad. He had a dad. And so on. You go back far enough and there you'll find the First Father. Everyone's dad. Know what I mean? Nevermind. 3 minutes ago, psyche101 said: That's because of the aforementioned common ancestor. That would be God. 3 minutes ago, psyche101 said: Einstein had to provide proof for his thoughts. Scientifically yes. But he didn't need proof that he should think for himself. 3 minutes ago, psyche101 said: It has never been proposed that new species suddenly exist. Ever. I know. "From era to era radically new species of animal life arise. They do not evolve as the result of the gradual accumulation of small variations; they appear as full-fledged and new orders of life, and they appear suddenly." - the UB I wish I would have come up with the idea myself. 3 minutes ago, psyche101 said: No that's not true at all. A lot of things are not true at all. Take Democrats for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted May 3, 2019 #2708 Share Posted May 3, 2019 32 minutes ago, Will Due said: Thank God! Its not a good thing. 32 minutes ago, Will Due said: That's why the members of NATO have lined up to pay their share. Don't you love it! I do. And just wait until the Trump administration puts the screws to those traitors who tried to oust him in a failed and pathetic coup. He is a horrid individual. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horta Posted May 3, 2019 #2709 Share Posted May 3, 2019 26 minutes ago, Will Due said: You're not a different species than your parents are you? No offspring is a different species to its parents. Take that back far enough through enough generations though and yes, we can reach a very different species. Quote Dogs, moths, and humans are all single species. Although there are variations in species, like Darwin's finches. But they are all the same species of finches. Just like a bulldog and a great dane are both members of the same species. Dogs. You seem to be confusing "speciation" with the idea that critters should suddenly hyper-morph to an entirely different class or order of living thing lol. The UB is doing wonders for you Will lol. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted May 3, 2019 #2710 Share Posted May 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, onlookerofmayhem said: Species is only a way to separate distinctively different creatures. To assemble them into the most genetically similar group. If offspring are capable of being genetically different from their parents, what is the issue with this being applied over millions of years to result in different "species"? Why is it that so many creatures share the same features? Organs, eyes, ears, mouth, nervous system, digestive structures, skeletal system and many others. All with minor variations from each other to form different "species". So many facets of animals are way too similar to ignore their common ancestors. And the further back in the records we can go before there is nothing are simple one celled organisms. As you work you way up the layer thing become more and more complex. It's a wonder isn't it? I love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted May 3, 2019 #2711 Share Posted May 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, psyche101 said: Its not a good thing. He is a horrid individual. For years I never liked him. Now, I think we're watching a man lead my country like no one has ever done before. Not even Abraham Lincoln or George Washington. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted May 3, 2019 #2712 Share Posted May 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, Will Due said: Evolution is evidence of a lot of things. You have a dad. He had a dad. And so on. You go back far enough and there you'll find the First Father. Everyone's dad. Know what I mean? Nevermind. Yes I go. As far as species go, that's called LUCA,. 2 minutes ago, Will Due said: That would be God. No, The most commonly accepted tree of life, based on several molecular studies, has its root between a monophyletic domain Bacteria and a clade formed by Archaea and Eukaryota. 2 minutes ago, Will Due said: Scientifically yes. But he didn't need proof that he should think for himself. Yes he did. QM illustrates that. 2 minutes ago, Will Due said: I know. "From era to era radically new species of animal life arise. They do not evolve as the result of the gradual accumulation of small variations; they appear as full-fledged and new orders of life, and they appear suddenly." - the UB Its not like we need more evidence that the UB is total fiction. We already know that. 2 minutes ago, Will Due said: I wish I would have come up with the idea myself. You're doing fine with your transitional argument. It's just a ridiculous as the UB claim. 2 minutes ago, Will Due said: A lot of things are not true at all. Take Democrats for example. We don't have them here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted May 3, 2019 #2713 Share Posted May 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, Horta said: No offspring is a different species to its parents. Take that back far enough through enough generations though and yes, we can reach a very different species. Two very condradictive statements there Horta. 5 minutes ago, Horta said: You seem to be confusing "speciation" with the idea that critters should suddenly hyper-morph to an entirely different class or order of living thing lol. You mean like a caterpillar and a butterfly? 5 minutes ago, Horta said: The UB is doing wonders for you Will lol. Don't be jealous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted May 3, 2019 #2714 Share Posted May 3, 2019 8 minutes ago, Will Due said: It's a wonder isn't it? I love it. It's not really a wonder at all. Nature takes the simplest path. This is well illustrated by the laryngeal nerve on a giraffe. More evidence of evolution and more of the missing links you seek. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted May 3, 2019 #2715 Share Posted May 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, psyche101 said: We don't have them here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted May 3, 2019 #2716 Share Posted May 3, 2019 1 minute ago, psyche101 said: the missing links you seek. Pardon me. But I never waste time seeking something that doesnt exist. Go ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted May 3, 2019 #2717 Share Posted May 3, 2019 Alright guys. I think it's time for nighty night. Peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted May 3, 2019 #2718 Share Posted May 3, 2019 27 minutes ago, Will Due said: That's right. But there is no evidence of transition individuals between the many types of different species of humans. Yes there is. DNA evidence shows that we are connected, to whom and got how long. Vestigial bones are physical evidence of previous species we evolved from which is in turn supported by fossil evidence which doesn't just show how species transitioned, but travel routes as well. There is mountains of evidences all supporting one another. 27 minutes ago, Will Due said: All species evolved from earlier existent species. Yes they did. 27 minutes ago, Will Due said: True. But evolution is more than a theory. It's a fact. As I pointed out to you. 27 minutes ago, Will Due said: Now now psyche. Don't give it away that your argumentative defense of your proposition is inversely proportional to the truth contained. That's not happening though. So why make such a random comment unless you are embarrassed by the truth? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted May 3, 2019 #2719 Share Posted May 3, 2019 8 minutes ago, Will Due said: Pardon me. But I never waste time seeking something that doesnt exist. Go ahead. They do exist in fossil record, vestigial bones and organs and DNA evidence. So why are you acting like Wendy Wright? Saying things that not only exist, but are accessible to the public do not? You're wasting time with the UB. It's utter nonsense and hindering your ability to learn. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted May 3, 2019 #2720 Share Posted May 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, psyche101 said: Yes there is. DNA evidence shows that we are connected, to whom and got how long. Vestigial bones are physical evidence of previous species we evolved from which is in turn supported by fossil evidence which doesn't just show how species transitioned, but travel routes as well. There is mountains of evidences all supporting one another. Yes they did. As I pointed out to you. That's not happening though. So why make such a random comment unless you are embarrassed by the truth? Good night psyche. I wish I could keep talkin with you. We'll catch up later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horta Posted May 3, 2019 #2721 Share Posted May 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, Will Due said: Two very condradictive statements there Horta. Is that a standard dissonance coping mechanism Will? Understanding this isn't beyond any normal person who wouldn't be considered mentally "afflicted". Therefore the beliefs derived from UB look like they evolve into just such an "affliction". Quote You mean like a caterpillar and a butterfly? No. More like a crocodile and a duck. Quote Don't be jealous. Accomplished. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted May 3, 2019 #2722 Share Posted May 3, 2019 15 minutes ago, Will Due said: Two very condradictive statements there Horta. How are they contradictory? 15 minutes ago, Will Due said: You mean like a caterpillar and a butterfly? That's a life cycle. Nothing to do with evolution. A grub grows wings as it reaches adulthood. It doesn't change into a fish or something dies it now? Now you are binh contradictory. You don't consider a dog like animal turning into a whale as different species but you think a grub growing wings is? 15 minutes ago, Will Due said: Don't be jealous. Nobody is jealous of you Will. Not on these boards that I have seen anyway. People try to help you, but you don't accept help. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted May 3, 2019 #2723 Share Posted May 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, Will Due said: Good night psyche. I wish I could keep talkin with you. We'll catch up later. This seems to happen a lot in theses discussions. Are you actually planning to return to this one? Usually you leave the discussion and then repeat your claims again in a couple of months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted May 3, 2019 #2724 Share Posted May 3, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, psyche101 said: This seems to happen a lot in theses discussions. Are you actually planning to return to this one? Usually you leave the discussion and then repeat your claims again in a couple of months. Jesus Christ Go chase a kangaroo. Edited May 3, 2019 by Will Due Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquila King Posted May 3, 2019 #2725 Share Posted May 3, 2019 8 minutes ago, Will Due said: Jesus Christ 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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