pallidin Posted March 31, 2019 #501 Share Posted March 31, 2019 https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/573448/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pallidin Posted March 31, 2019 #502 Share Posted March 31, 2019 Please pass the parmesan and hot pepper sprinkles, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horta Posted March 31, 2019 #503 Share Posted March 31, 2019 Bumper sticker time. "Schrodingers cat walks into a bar... and doesn't." 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pallidin Posted March 31, 2019 #504 Share Posted March 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Horta said: Bumper sticker time. "Schrodingers cat walks into a bar... and doesn't." Dang, I must be old, but that's funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted March 31, 2019 #505 Share Posted March 31, 2019 8 minutes ago, pallidin said: https://science.howstuffworks.com/science-vs-myth/everyday-myths/quantum-weirdness.htm Hi Pallidin Thanks and yes I did do some reading the first time you told me to go google myself but why do you think this answers my question about how atheists and agnostics not accepting science? There was nothing about atheists or agnostics in the link you gave so what there is qw how does it have an impact on this discussion others than not getting anywhere? jmccr8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habitat Posted March 31, 2019 #506 Share Posted March 31, 2019 9 hours ago, Horta said: Similar assumptions could well be underlying your firm belief in god. Were you well acquainted with the faux philosophy of "mysticism" before your paranormal experience? You are still assigning values, it seems, to that which have no data, with "faux" an obvious rejection that there could be anything of value in mysticism. You are just a person firmly, but not unshakeably lodged in rational thinking, and your feeling the need to go on the attack by assigning total nullity to mysticism, signals that. Broaden your outlook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pallidin Posted March 31, 2019 #507 Share Posted March 31, 2019 Just now, jmccr8 said: Hi Pallidin Thanks and yes I did do some reading the first time you told me to go google myself but why do you think this answers my question about how atheists and agnostics not accepting science? There was nothing about atheists or agnostics in the link you gave so what there is qw how does it have an impact on this discussion others than not getting anywhere? jmccr8 Hey, that's ok. Not EVERYTHING is on a plate. In the meanwhile, hand me another slice of pizza... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horta Posted March 31, 2019 #508 Share Posted March 31, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Habitat said: You are still assigning values, it seems, to that which have no data, with "faux" an obvious rejection that there could be anything of value in mysticism. You are just a person firmly, but not unshakeably lodged in rational thinking, and your feeling the need to go on the attack by assigning total nullity to mysticism, signals that. Broaden your outlook. That's a "yes" then? You were into mysticism before your experience? Edited March 31, 2019 by Horta 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pallidin Posted March 31, 2019 #509 Share Posted March 31, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, Horta said: That's a "yes" then? Edited March 31, 2019 by pallidin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pallidin Posted April 1, 2019 #510 Share Posted April 1, 2019 Gotta go for a few... getting some pizza... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horta Posted April 1, 2019 #511 Share Posted April 1, 2019 1 minute ago, pallidin said: Sorry for the confusion. It was a response to habitats habit of avoiding the point via ad hominem. The quote function did't work, so I edited it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habitat Posted April 1, 2019 #512 Share Posted April 1, 2019 27 minutes ago, Horta said: That's a "yes" then? You were into mysticism before your experience? "into" ? I can see your tactic here, assign nullity to mysticism, try to value my experiences as similarly void, because I am enthralled by the "fakery" of mysticism. Wrong again ! Neither mysticism nor my experiences are "faux", but I don't see any great connection between the two, save the possibility that it may be that those that deny the "beyond", are given no hint of it. I have never been a mystic, but I am well aware of it, and its place. You, on the other hand, have ignorantly declared it to be "faux". Some scientist you turned out to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenWolf Posted April 1, 2019 #513 Share Posted April 1, 2019 5 hours ago, pallidin said: Science provides for extraordinary possibilities. Both atheists and agnostics will have none of that. What are you smoking? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onlookerofmayhem Posted April 1, 2019 #514 Share Posted April 1, 2019 (edited) Crack, it seems, laced with PCP, sprinkled with meth and dipped in formaldehyde. @GoldenWolf Edited April 1, 2019 by onlookerofmayhem @ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horta Posted April 1, 2019 #515 Share Posted April 1, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Habitat said: "into" ? I can see your tactic here, assign nullity to mysticism, try to value my experiences as similarly void, because I am enthralled by the "fakery" of mysticism. Wrong again ! Neither mysticism nor my experiences are "faux", but I don't see any great connection between the two, save the possibility that it may be that those that deny the "beyond", are given no hint of it. I have never been a mystic, but I am well aware of it, and its place. You, on the other hand, have ignorantly declared it to be "faux". Some scientist you turned out to be. There is obviously a lot of emotion attached to your belief habitat. As shown in the lashing out via ad hominem towards those you deem (guess) to be ignorant (ie. those whose views don't support your own), rather than offer anything of substance that could support your belief. This is understandable, given the subject. This seems very common among paranormal proponents, and is possibly one reason why Psychology (and resulting studies) view paranormal belief the way they do. This is one of the reasons why I see it more likely to be a subject more relevant to cognitive science than anything else. It could be construed as acceptance based on an emotional need for something to be true (to support a personal world view), rather than whether it really is true or not. Something people convince themselves of, despite the obvious problems and simpler explanations, simply because they desperately want it to be. It happens among all humans to some extent, scientists too with pet theories and so on. Thankfully they have developed a method to minimise this. Edited April 1, 2019 by Horta trouble with quote function. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Walker Posted April 1, 2019 #516 Share Posted April 1, 2019 On 31/03/2019 at 12:29 PM, jmccr8 said: Hi Walker What exactly would an agnostic have doubts about when one neither knows or cares if there is a god? Don't they just say Frank Sinatra My Way - Live 1971 on Vimeo jmccr8 Agnostics can care Basically an agnostic says, "I am not going to guess or believe. I will wait until I can know" Some may be happy never knowing. Others may think about it a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Walker Posted April 1, 2019 #517 Share Posted April 1, 2019 On 31/03/2019 at 12:33 PM, jmccr8 said: Hi Walker With or without people? Lots of people feel alone surrounded by people and make themselves un-noticeable without contact. jmccr8 The example asked how you would know, and what evidences you would use to KNOW, if you were alone and had no one else to support tor validate your experience We don't need the company of others to know what we are eating or doing. The personal evidences are clear and obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Walker Posted April 1, 2019 #518 Share Posted April 1, 2019 23 hours ago, jmccr8 said: Hi Walker What is a god with a capital g for you and what 100,000 or 50,000 yr old experiences have you had and why haven't you shared them in the past? So misdirection and confusion are viable ways of expressing a truth? My god isn't an alien by ant definition but if it thinks and realizes potential then we are driven by the same evolutionary processes so for me just more others like me that are not identical to me or each other. I can conceive aliens however that is not sufficient proof for me to believe that they have been here so no I am not unless properly vetted paper is given to show that any of these entities have had real physical in reality as described by you in the last few posts. It is not known if it is real or not and at this time, well actually for quite a while members have questioned and butted you and it is, for the most part, a fantastical story designed to affirm your construct as that is your position that all men create constructs. jmccr8 god is a name like dog. no. I am trying to be clear and honest if it walks like a god, talks like a god, and has the powers of a god, then a sensible human might think of it as a god. But god, like dog, is only a word/label human attach to beings with certain qualities the rest is irrelevant to the point i was making You have to decide for yourself if such things are real. I am just telling you about my experiences with them Humans make mental constructs about all real things. We also build constructs about unreal things.The trick is how to work out which is which. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horta Posted April 1, 2019 #519 Share Posted April 1, 2019 12 hours ago, Piney said: In the Christian Mysticism I encountered, (Quaker) there was no set philosophy or should I say "doctrine". Just a group of people worshiping or meditating in silence, holding their own personal beliefs. But then again I was born into a "Non-Theistic" Meeting with many atheists. There's probably as many forms of mysticism as their are mystics. Christian or otherwise. Some of the new age versions are interesting, though not for the mysticism itself. It's like the "urethritis" of the philosophical world, in that it can be very non specific. Though I do have some idea of the mysticism that habitat alludes to. I certainly know that he bases a paranormal world view on it, or at least finds it supportive. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Walker Posted April 1, 2019 #520 Share Posted April 1, 2019 23 hours ago, Sherapy said: Please post the post of Pysche’s that states this. The path you promote works best for your survival in a very religious based environment., it certainly has no value for me. Change the world, making it a better place well J., has a daughter and a grandchild this is a wonderful and noble way to do this. For one who prides himself on understanding and embracing others perspectives since he was 3 how did you miss the obvious. I get for you, you have to find ways to better the world and I think prostelizing the biblical way of life is your way. No need to. He will not deny it and if you don't believe me then YOU go to the trouble of looking for it. I've got better things to do No my "path" is scientifically proven to work in any environment. Although some studies show it works best in a place where others share your belief So it would work well for you in America Sorry but having kids doesn't change the world for the better. That requires specific planned behaviours to minimise your effect on the environment and to make the world a more equal and kinder place by helping others as much as you can. I would NOT go so far as to say that having children is selfish, because a certain number are needed to maintain the population but it is basically morally neutral . I don't proselytise the biblical way There are many good things about the bible's way of living. Western society has already incorporated many of them in our laws and moralities, but it is not written for modern people and it has flaws. i would promote a secular humanist lifestyle using ethics and moralities which are found in the bible but not exclusive to it PLUS living a balance of spiritual and materiel lifestyle. Any faith or belief which is positive and constructive is as good as any other and most people pick one found in their local community Are yo saying that you have no interests in making the world a better place? You have children. It should be one of the most important things for you to try to achieve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted April 1, 2019 #521 Share Posted April 1, 2019 6 minutes ago, Horta said: Though I do have some idea of the mysticism that habitat alludes to. I certainly know that he bases a paranormal world view on it, or at least finds it supportive. He's very evasive on the subject. 8 minutes ago, Horta said: There's probably as many forms of mysticism as their are mystics. When Quakerism first developed many early Quakers were actually raving lunatics. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horta Posted April 1, 2019 #522 Share Posted April 1, 2019 21 hours ago, jmccr8 said: THIS IS A PUBLIC NOTICE I am all out of likes. jmccr8 I generally don't give likes at all lol. So apologies to the posters who go to such effort. It isn't that I don't like the posts, I do, and it's nothing personal. Similar things have been shown to have detrimental effects in social media studies. It also does help marginalise those with weird or non mainstream beliefs and helps form "cliques" (which are probably unavoidable when 3 or more humans interact with each other lol). I have been trying to find a way to disable the entire function. Perhaps I should just lighten up a bit lol. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horta Posted April 1, 2019 #523 Share Posted April 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Piney said: He's very evasive on the subject. Meister Eckhart is one oft quoted favourite I think. 3 minutes ago, Piney said: He's very evasive on the subject. When Quakerism first developed many early Quakers were actually raving lunatics. Lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habitat Posted April 1, 2019 #524 Share Posted April 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Horta said: There is obviously a lot of emotion attached to your belief habitat. No, I am quite comfortable with facts. But if you feel the need to discredit what you say is "faux", you'd be better employed asking yourself where that drive comes from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Walker Posted April 1, 2019 #525 Share Posted April 1, 2019 3 hours ago, Horta said: Bumper sticker time. "Schrodingers cat walks into a bar... and doesn't." And he walked in through the wall, not the door . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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