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Atheism is incompatible with science


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9 minutes ago, Will Due said:

 

Come on man! 

You want to know the properties of God?

Then with all your mind, all your heart, and all your soul; think of the man who said that it's better to give than to recieve, and you'll know much more than just science and properties.

 

 

I can at least admire your persistence Will.

But I don't believe in souls.

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Just now, Daughter of the Nine Moons said:

Knock off the made up accusations. Never once has psyche101 made the above statement regardless of your continuous tactic. 

Thank you. 

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Just now, Horta said:

I can at least admire your persistence Will.

But I don't believe in souls.

LOL, admiration is not where I ended up  :lol:

 

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8 minutes ago, psyche101 said:

It's not the people who love God that are the problem here. 

 

You're right.

It's the people who hate God, who are the problem.

Hate. It's worse than cancer.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Daughter of the Nine Moons said:

Knock off the made up accusations. Never once has psyche101 made the above statement regardless of your continuous tactic. 

 

Pardon me but psyche has asked me numerous times if I hate gays.

Isn't that true @psyche101?

He repeatedly has told me that if I don't hate gays, then I'm not doing what the Bible says.

Do you think his continuous tactic is alright?

 

 

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11 minutes ago, Horta said:

But I don't believe in souls.

 

That doesn't mean you don't have one.

Same as believing that God doesn't exist. 

That doesn't mean that God isn't working with you within your soul subconsciously. 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Will Due said:

 

Pardon me but psyche has asked me numerous times if I hate gays.

Isn't that true @psyche101?

He repeatedly has told me that if I don't hate gays, then I'm not doing what the Bible says.

Do you think his continuous tactic is alright?

You are the only one who keeps bringing up hating gays in this thread, I'm including all the posts that have been removed.

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1 hour ago, Horta said:

 

 

As a ps, see any inconsistency here?

 

None at all, it is not my ascriptions to God, but what is preached by religion e.g. "God made the world", which becomes "hidden chaos created all", in "newspeak".

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1 hour ago, Horta said:

But by your very own words, your personal claim is untrue.

What words, what claim ?

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28 minutes ago, Will Due said:

You're right.

That's not unusual. 

28 minutes ago, Will Due said:

It's the people who hate God, who are the problem.

No its not. They have little impact on anything. It's the people who say God is fact, and tell the masses who are ignorant of modern discovery that such is fact. It's usually for personal gain. 

28 minutes ago, Will Due said:

Hate. It's worse than cancer.

I don't know about that. Cancer kills a lot of people. It's pretty bad too. 

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25 minutes ago, Will Due said:

Pardon me but psyche has asked me numerous times if I hate gays.

Isn't that true @psyche101?

He repeatedly has told me that if I don't hate gays, then I'm not doing what the Bible says.

Do you think his continuous tactic is alright?

That's not right, you always quote me out of context to steer the discussion into a preaching session. You're very transparent. In the thread you started about doing God's will I said that is clearly the position that God takes as is well illustrated in the OT. I asked if you thought that was God's will, and do you follow it. You have brought it up here to flambait. 

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26 minutes ago, Will Due said:

That doesn't mean you don't have one.

Same as believing that God doesn't exist. 

That doesn't mean that God isn't working with you within your soul subconsciously. 

There's simply no good reason to believe that is true. It's only what you want to be true. 

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6 minutes ago, Daughter of the Nine Moons said:

You are the only one who keeps bringing up hating gays in this thread, I'm including all the posts that have been removed.

 

@psyche101

Will you man up and tell us all the truth about this issue of why something as degrading as asking if you hate gays got started by you? Because it's what you asked me many times. Although in another thread.

That you told me repeatedly that it was God's will to hate gays?

And that repeatedly you asked me if I did?

Let's clear this up because I have never reported anyone. Ever.

 

 

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1 minute ago, psyche101 said:

That's not right, you always quote me out of context to steer the discussion into a preaching session. You're very transparent. In the thread you started about doing God's will I said that is clearly the position that God takes as is well illustrated in the OT. I asked if you thought that was God's will, and do you follow it. You have brought it up here to flambait. 

 

Did you ask me repeatedly if I hate gays?

 

 

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11 minutes ago, Habitat said:

None at all, it is not my ascriptions to God, but what is preached by religion e.g. "God made the world", which becomes "hidden chaos created all", in "newspeak".

Hidden chaos has been described to you as subatomic dimensions and chaos the interaction of difference of potential and behavior of elementary particles  eunf the threshold of conservation of energy. 

So why are you being deliberately obtuse now? 

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2 hours ago, Horta said:

So far we have a self proclaimed fan of some vague "mysticism", who claims that while the paranormal exists it has no discernible pattern and therefore seems completely random, thus can never be scientifically documented because it relies on fluke, is immune to scientific study because scientific evidence isn't available, is also a non reproducible phenomena that is unable to be understood with logical reasoning. We also have a proposed god that is responsible for all of this, yet is given no properties whatever (funnily enough).

Therefore existence can never possibly be explained, but ghosts and god are real.

The only possible reason not to believe this, is foolishness.

The entire branches of science that do offer explanations (often based on experiment) for the paranormal can be dismissed as nonsense. The more popular proponents of modern cosmology and physics are not only fallible humans, but liars and delusionals. Endeavours involving evidence, experiment and reasoned argument are foolish within themselves wherever they applicably don't accept the paranormal.

Could anything really be less convincing?

The last word in arrogance, anyone who imagines they can "understand" existence, rationally. In that scenario, the claimant imagines himself to be the "God" he otherwise denies existence to. Re the so called paranormal, yes, it cannot be pinned down, it being the active party, you the passive recipient.  

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3 minutes ago, Will Due said:

Did you ask me repeatedly if I hate gays?

I said it's gods will according to his own alleged word. And that thread was on God's will. So why do you continue that discussion outside of that thread if your not seeking to flamebait? 

What has this thread got to do with that one? 

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5 minutes ago, Habitat said:

The last word in arrogance, anyone who imagines they can "understand" existence, rationally. In that scenario, the claimant imagines himself to be the "God" he otherwise denies existence to. Re the so called paranormal, yes, it cannot be pinned down, it being the active party, you the passive recipient.  

Don't you claim your mystics cracked this secret? 

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1 minute ago, psyche101 said:

Don't you claim your mystics cracked this secret? 

Not by rational apprehension. The prejudice that there is no other faculty of apprehension, causes people to be dismissive. But to be a true mystic, is an assignment few will enter into.

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12 minutes ago, psyche101 said:

What has this thread got to do with that one? 

 

What this has to do with is how incompatible with science atheism is when it's really just a disguise for misotheism. Which is something much worse than just denying that God exists.

It's misotheism that drives someone like you to proclaim (and preach) that it's God's will to hate gays. 

Hatred is the issue. And your hatred for God, is anything but opaque. 

 

 

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Just now, Habitat said:

Not by rational apprehension. The prejudice that there is no other faculty of apprehension, causes people to be dismissive. But to be a true mystic, is an assignment few will enter into.

So it's not arrogant to consider a few blokes have cracked the secret of existance, but it is to consider and accept supported modern findings that refute such unsupported claims? 

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14 minutes ago, Habitat said:

The last word in arrogance, anyone who imagines they can "understand" existence, rationally. In that scenario, the claimant imagines himself to be the "God" he otherwise denies existence to. Re the so called paranormal, yes, it cannot be pinned down, it being the active party, you the passive recipient.  

It is apparent why you are drawn to the irrational. This is a good example of it. Utter gibberish.

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3 minutes ago, psyche101 said:

So it's not arrogant to consider a few blokes have cracked the secret of existance, but it is to consider and accept supported modern findings that refute such unsupported claims? 

It is not a matter of rational apprehension. Only the subject knows what he has encountered, and it is not really transferable to others, but there is no doubt all the great religious figureheads were mystics, and all the religions that grew up around and after them, varying but largely inaccurate rationalizations of their experiences. Most religious texts are dual texts, the overt "message" rendered in a way intelligible or acceptable to the hoi-polloi, but a more covert message for those able to understand it, and that message is to follow the exemplar, not as the flock follow as a dog follows its master, but follow in mystical realisation.

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8 minutes ago, Horta said:

 

It is apparent why you are drawn to the irrational. This is a good example of it. Utter gibberish.

I am only drawn to the truth.

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34 minutes ago, psyche101 said:

Hidden chaos has been described to you as subatomic dimensions and chaos the interaction of difference of potential and behavior of elementary particles  eunf the threshold of conservation of energy. 

So why are you being deliberately obtuse now? 

Not me, I am just like the next person, who would say that does not explain existence, it just describes an aspect of it.

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