Sir Smoke aLot Posted May 17, 2019 #276 Share Posted May 17, 2019 21 minutes ago, RoofGardener said: Oh for pete's sake SSaL, you are not responding to my point. I'm not talking about "might making right". We talked about that point earlier. You do not have to explain it again as you did already and i did show you respect for your point there, earlier in this topic. As i said, you might have some sort of argument but only because legality which is, by my opinion, always an open subject - in terms of it not being constant over time. We have difference in opinion and yes, i was referring to Geneva Convention which is constantly attacked by many pro-Israeli figures, from book authors to politicians especially since 1980's in works of Dershowitz, Chesler or Schoenfeld for example. 34 minutes ago, RoofGardener said: As best I can make out, there is NO International Law that forbids Israel to remain in the Golan Heights FOR AS LONG AS SYRIA MAINTAINS ITS STATE OF WAR AGAINST ISRAEL. I can't make it any simpler, or any plainer. Yes, i understood that earlier but we have difference of opinion here. You said that it's Syrian fault because Syria is not willing to sign peace deal. I say that it is not. Because Israel prefers to hold on Golan as long as it can because such tactic was proven very profitable for Israel. Let's take West Bank for example. Given enough time and another generation of people born in illegal settlements... It will change political situation so much that those illegal settlements will actually have very solid legal claim to ''cities'',as Israelis call them, in the West Bank. Sure, Syria could have possibly done more in all these years but that doesn't change the fact that Golan is theirs. Time might change political and legal position. And that is problem, large problem and actually opens possibilities for others, like Russia, China, or anyone else to start to behave in similar manner. Now world faces threat of clashes on North Pole, South China Sea etc and political stunts like these will add up to the problem. Keep in mind that in older times (especially monarchies in Europe, kingdoms) claims were solidified by holding on territory for long periods of time and by making cultural reshaping of territory in question. My point is that the world has progressed since then but political reality shows us that progress was actually not what we are made to believe and double standards pollute our world. After all this conflict is political conflict. I hope that you have more understanding of my position about this issue now. I do not want to debate this at all because i respect your opinion which seems to be solid and fortified. We can have dialogue of course and that might benefit both. I like to think that it did, so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoofGardener Posted May 17, 2019 #277 Share Posted May 17, 2019 Hmmm... weeeelll.... my problem with THAT argument, @Sir Smoke aLot, lies in this concept of the Golan being 'valuable' to Israel. Other than as a defensive shield, I don't see any particular value to it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Smoke aLot Posted May 17, 2019 #278 Share Posted May 17, 2019 1 minute ago, RoofGardener said: Hmmm... weeeelll.... my problem with THAT argument, @Sir Smoke aLot, lies in this concept of the Golan being 'valuable' to Israel. Other than as a defensive shield, I don't see any particular value to it ? Link to Wikipedia, Genie Energy, link. There are also water springs but i am not sure about that much. I did not really research a lot about this but as i can remember it's also fertile land with a lot of water, when compared to the region and especially when compared to what most of Israel consists of, Negev desert. Since it was active volcanic region there might be other resources too and who doesn't love oil, resources and fertile land with a lot of water in that region? If it's ''free'', even better. Wiki article about Golan Heights say that it supplies about 15% of Israel's water which is quite a large percentage (by my opinion it is temporary replacement for Litani river which is seen as invaluable for future of the state of Israel, from early Zionists up to political figures these days). Very valuable indeed. Maybe it out weights the importance of Dead Sea and it's resources (since it's shared with Jordan). Interesting don't you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoofGardener Posted May 17, 2019 #279 Share Posted May 17, 2019 Pfffft... fertile land with ample water, and possibly oil ? What sort of thing is THAT for nations to fight over ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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