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(Opinion) I Wonder About Democrats...

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CrimsonKing

You reckon you'll get a decent argument on this?

Good luck bud...

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Raptor Witness

There are many things I don't like about liberalism, but after what we've seen from the GOP .... NO THANK YOU, and yes I'm throwing out that baby, Donald Trump with all the bathwater, for the rest of my life!

Never again, and I mean not even if they managed to resurrect Ronald Reagan.

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31 minutes ago, Raptor Witness said:

There are many things I don't like about liberalism, but after what we've seen from the GOP .... NO THANK YOU, and yes I'm throwing out that baby, Donald Trump with all the bathwater, for the rest of my life!

Never again, and I mean not even if they managed to resurrect Ronald Reagan.

Then you'll deserve exactly what hell descends on you and yours when they take total control.  Getting rid of the EC outside of the Constitutional amendment process will cause a real fight.  So will attempting to circumvent the Constitution on 2A.  And that's all I got to say about that (in his best Forrest Gump)

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58 minutes ago, CrimsonKing said:

You reckon you'll get a decent argument on this?

Good luck bud...

I think a major part of the country is waking up, finally, to the very real danger the Left poses.  If they manage to get rid of the EC or flip Texas or Florida consistently blue, we become a one-party country overnight and there won't be any good options left.  I used to believe it would lead to violence, automatically but now I'm not so sure.  Even if the Left and their nasty 5th column control the airwaves and most of the major platforms for disseminating the message, they cannot force people to lie down for them.  Civil disobedience would grow - think Yellow Vests - and their political capital would shrink with their ability to provide goodies out of other people's pockets.  The thing about vultures is, they don't care who or what they eat.  Unfortunately, it would mean the de-facto dissolution of the America we grew up in.  There'd be no going back.  Qui Bono?

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Likely Guy
1 hour ago, CrimsonKing said:

You reckon you'll get a decent argument on this?

Good luck bud...

I'm glad that this was given as an 'opinion' piece and not the gospel. That way there might be a decent discussion.

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CrimsonKing
4 minutes ago, Likely Guy said:

I'm glad that this was given as an 'opinion' piece and not the gospel. That way there might be a decent discussion.

Yeah i remember a whole lotta gospel from our last BIG thread...

Don't want to see that again...

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Piney

 

1 hour ago, Uncle Sam said:
  • Attempting to Remove First, Second, and Fifth Amendments: This is the most frightening and scariest one of them all. They are wanting to remove our right to speak, to defend ourselves, or our right to due process. By basically enslaving our citizens and making it hard for them to fight back, the Democrats are basically trying to centralize power and making it easy for a Dictator or Tyrant to usurp United States citizens of their rights. And how they push for a dystopian future with a fever pitch.

 

They already took my gun rights, my right to vote and my Native American right to a joint citizenship with the Canada.  For defending my own property. They'll do it to the rest of you. Just watch. 

 

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susieice

And people think crime is rampant now :no:

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CrimsonKing
5 minutes ago, Piney said:

 

They already took my gun rights, my right to vote and my Native American right to a joint citizenship with the Canada.  For defending my own property. They'll do it to the rest of you. Just watch. 

 

Not a ANY kind of good emoji for that BS bro...

Just a straight up rotten goddamn shame...

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Likely Guy
9 minutes ago, CrimsonKing said:

Yeah i remember a whole lotta gospel from our last BIG thread...

Don't want to see that again...

Oh. The BIG thread. I asked a couple questions early on and left well enough alone.

But the premise of this thread, like most opinion pieces, is tainted in that it assumes all democrats/liberals/progressives to be Anti-American.

Like most opinion pieces though, you can take it or leave it for what it's worth.

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Raptor Witness
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39 minutes ago, and then said:

Then you'll deserve exactly what hell descends on you and yours when they take total control.  Getting rid of the EC outside of the Constitutional amendment process will cause a real fight.  So will attempting to circumvent the Constitution on 2A.  And that's all I got to say about that (in his best Forrest Gump)

Look, this is not an argument about how wonderful conservatism is, anymore, it's an argument about backwards vs. forwards, thinking. The GOP is living in the stone age on almost every issue I can think of.

I'm done with all of the GOP .....   DONE!

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Piney
8 minutes ago, Likely Guy said:

But the premise of this thread, like most opinion pieces, is tainted in that it assumes all democrats/liberals/progressives to be Anti-American.

If they are all about themselves and their profits. They are, and the ones I've seen running the ghettos in the sanctuary cities were.

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Gummug

The GOP has its faults,  I don't deny it,  but they are still light years ahead of the opposition and still closer imo to what the founding fathers had in mind when they wrote the constitution. 

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Likely Guy
10 minutes ago, Piney said:

If they are all about themselves and their profits.

Tammany Hall. Nothing's changed, the swamp enlarges.

To blame all the ills of your country on democrats alone, seems really short sighted.

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Gertdoggy
18 minutes ago, Raptor Witness said:

Look, this is not an argument about how wonderful conservatism is, anymore, it's an argument about backwards vs. forwards, thinking. The GOP is living in the stone age on almost every issue I can think of.

I'm done with all of the GOP .....   DONE!

Speaking personally as a past Democrat - I will take today's GOP over today's Liberals any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

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Likely Guy
6 minutes ago, Gummug said:

The GOP has its faults,  I don't deny it,  but they are still light years ahead of the opposition and still closer imo to what the founding fathers had in mind when they wrote the constitution. 

Except all of the amendments. Things have to change.

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spartan max2
33 minutes ago, Raptor Witness said:

Look, this is not an argument about how wonderful conservatism is, anymore, it's an argument about backwards vs. forwards, thinking. The GOP is living in the stone age on almost every issue I can think of.

I'm done with all of the GOP .....   DONE!

On what issues?

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57 minutes ago, Piney said:

If they are all about themselves and their profits. They are, and the ones I've seen running the ghettos in the sanctuary cities were.

When I was in school they didn't teach about  .org

I must be fortunate in only knowing the filthy rich libs and oh my goodness touchy touchy about their assets.  How many times have I heard "bottom line" oh and "turn around" or "flip ready" ? Lordy.  Oh, reminds me of another bunch of business people and in some states they are far from John the Baptist kid that came out of the desert in rags.

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Imaginarynumber1
8 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

On what issues?

Literally anything that pertains to women 

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RavenHawk
1 hour ago, Likely Guy said:

But the premise of this thread, like most opinion pieces, is tainted in that it assumes all democrats/liberals/progressives to be Anti-American.

Like most opinion pieces though, you can take it or leave it for what it's worth.

Not tainted.  There just isn't that much separation between the two.  And you see it clearly on this forum.

FYI, everything on this forum is opinion.  If I say that 2 + 2 = 4, that is still my opinion.  It is merely an excuse to distract with the label "opinion".

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RavenHawk

The Progs just want power and they are drunk with that desire.  It is irrational.  Socialism is the easiest mechanism to seize that power.  This is Munchausen by Proxy.  It is pure narcissism through and through.  Just look at those that wear the Prog label.  These are the most defective humans on the planet and their TDS just gets worse as time marches on and that it will assure Trump a second term.  Trump pushes their buttons at will.  Of course, that is just my opinion.

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ShadowSot
2 hours ago, Uncle Sam said:

Every proposition and every policy that the far left and establishment Democrats have push seems to be geared towards tearing down United States while stripping away citizens ability to fight back. I am not even kidding when I say this, but this seriously feels like an attempt to prime us for something. Either a coup with no chance of fighting back or an foreign invasion when we are caught at our weakest. Let's go through everything that they have tried to push upon us this past two years.

 

 

 

Good start, yes. Liberals are trying to Destroy the US! Fear us! 

2 hours ago, Uncle Sam said:

 


List of Policies, Bills, and Suggestions:

  • New Green Deal: Design to get rid of all cars, planes, and anything that is fossil fueled combustion. Many our power plants run off fossil fuel which powers, many of our food distribution requires semi trucks, cargo planes allow us to move products from coast to coast, our boats allow us to trade outside of United States, and finally our military's vehicles require massive amounts of fossil fuel to run. This would practically leave us crippled as a nation and defenseless against any offensive strike from foreign nation. Not to mention there is many social identity politics that will seperate people into classes and making everyone unequal.

 Been to the pump lately? Gas prices are going to dip, and increase. That's going to continue, despite massive subsidies from the government. 

 I do think extreme anti oil sentiment is stupid we depend very heavily on plastics, but flatly put continued reliance solely on fossil fuels will keep us moving to a backstep as other countries are investing and developing new sustainable technologies. And lack of funding in the US is leading to technologies that are developed in the US being bought and developed over seas. We can either invest here, or buy it from their companies later. 

 We are seeing a lot of jobs in the fossil industry field being lost to automation. This includes jobs that are meant to be done by people who are very good at simple, repetetive or non complex jobs. Subsidies can keep them afloat, but that grows greater costs, and as was seen with Trumps actions, the company will look at their bottom line and modernize to a automated facility given the chance. 

Just in my lifetime the factory I work for has gone from requiring a good fifteen to twenty people to running a day shift of five, occasionally expanding to eight with a night shift. Work that used to last months now can be completed in a couple of weeks. 

 The skill level and training required is much higher. And one thing I've noticed is a sharp decrease in spare time that used to be spent learning new skills, practicing new skills, problem solving or cross training. 

 And the jobs that come to replace them, if they appear, rarely match the wages and benefits the workers enjoyed. 

 Put frankly, it's not sustainable. We won't have a peak oil problem, but we will see increasing costs. 

 We won't see a sudden shut off, but a phase out and in. New career opportunities in New fields, by incentivizing companies towards these developing fields. 

Something unlikely to happen if you continue to prop up traditional energy sources, which themselves make for some problematic international allies. 

 

2 hours ago, Uncle Sam said:

 

  • Removing Electoral College: This allows Rural states have a say in what is done our state and allow them to get federal funding. Without the electoral college, all the power will be centralized in the cities when them having complete say in what is done in this nation. Not to mention there will never be a Republican president again since these cites are Democrat strongholds. All rural states would not get representation and the big cities would get it all, leading to collapse of rural areas which are our focal port of food and manufacturing. What would happen when the cities elect to receive all federal funding and dictate what is done in the rural states that they know NOTHING about? It would lead to a complete collapse of our food production due to our culture being massively different than other nation that rely on popular vote. Simply our nation would collapse and mass famine would happen. This would definitely weaken our nation.

Most of our food products come from California. Much as it's hated, agriculture is a large business there, and remember we spend a lot of money not growing crops. 

Meanwhile looking at who gives funding and who receives funding shows us that such states are usually terribly managed. 

 It also sets up high officials supported by a very small margin of voters, and not reflecting the will of the people. And sets up favored states, letting many states be completely ignored by the federal government. 

Not that I support getting rid of it, which those who do are very aware of the difficulty of doing so. 

 

2 hours ago, Uncle Sam said:
  • Stacking the Supreme Court: This would basically lead to a unbalanced Supreme Court, allow these people to push any legislation that they want through without any resistance. Coupled with Electoral Votes, it could be decades before a Republican president or senator could be elected. Even then because of the actions of the Democrats, the Republicans would probably retaliate with stacking their supreme court.

Please, both sides do this. It's a goal of both parties and nothing new under the sun. 

 

2 hours ago, Uncle Sam said:
  • Obstructing Funding to the Border: An wall is designed to slow or hinder any individual crossing the border, that is the main design of it. By itself, it will easily be scaled. That is why funding for border wall includes hiring new ice agents, upgrading existing infrastructures, repairing the roads, and placing a border along the wall. An well regulated border will allow us to control the flow of illegal immigration and force them to apply legally. Not only will this effectively help streamline the process, it would also help LEGAL immigrants and legit asylum seekers. Many times I see legit asylum seekers who are in real danger of being killed, dying because the asylum backlog is blocked by illegitimate asylum seekers. Legal immigrants are also pushed back every time illegal immigrants who jump the wall, because there is a certain amount of immigrants United States can accept at a time without destabilizing our economy. How can they benefit off United States if its economy is in shambles and the government can't get to them? This issue is completely different issue than visa overstays and that will be addressed after the border. By obstructing any attempt to secure our border, the Democrats are allowing god knows who to slip into our nation undetected and they could wreck havoc on us, not to mention legal immigrants and legit asylum seekers due to their actions. If you ask any legit asylum seeker and legal immigrant if we should secure our border, they answer with a resounding YES.

 The position of the Democrats is not to have a secure border, but that a wall doesn't adequately address the concerns in terms of costs in dollars or constitucional concerns of property seizure. 

Expanding existing border control was budgeted for, as was what they see as sensible additions. 

 But for the promises made of what the wall would protect, the actual costs in dollars has been under sold to the American public as has its effectiveness at preventing drug trade and sex trafficking which occurs through points of legal entry. 

 It's worth noting the most dangerous immigrants legal or otherwise, entered through the Canadian border, not the Mexican one. 

Meanwhile, making deals and then breaking them between Democrats and Republicans is not a way to get your funding secured. 

2 hours ago, Uncle Sam said:

 

  • Attempting to Remove First, Second, and Fifth Amendments: This is the most frightening and scariest one of them all. They are wanting to remove our right to speak, to defend ourselves, or our right to due process. By basically enslaving our citizens and making it hard for them to fight back, the Democrats are basically trying to centralize power and making it easy for a Dictator or Tyrant to usurp United States citizens of their rights. And how they push for a dystopian future with a fever pitch.

Yeah, this is frankly scare mongering. 

 I'm much more concerned over Justice Clarence Thomas' dissenting opinion over Gideon v Wainwright. 

 Attacks on the fifth are bipartisan. Have been, will be. Goverment finds it annoying. 

 As far as the second  goes, there's been no government speech that's been violated. Unfortunately business and universities are not bound by it. 

As for the first... It didn't take long to notice a Democratic pres is great for gun sales and not much else. 

 Relaxation of auto weapon bans, banning of gun stocks, and opening up guns to be purchased by the mentally ill are about all the changes we've seen. Democrats know regulations sounds good to their base, and also know it'll never go anywhere. 

(And historically speaking, relaxation of gun regulations were a boon to certain fascist states, despite the fear mongering.) 

2 hours ago, Uncle Sam said:

 

  • Obstructing Attempts to Secure Elections Through Voter ID: They have kept us from being able to verify people if they are citizens of United States through Voter ID, this makes it easier for anyone who isn't a U.S. citizens to vote. Couple this with new laws passed to give illegal immigrants driver licenses, the people at the voter poles simply assume they are citizens and allow them to vote. We already seen many instances of illegals voting in our elections, some of them been voting for decades. The right to vote in our elections is a right only reserved for the citizens of these nations, because they live here and know what it needs.

 

This keeps popping up, but despite repeated claims of this and a series of investigations by the Republican party the main cases of voter fraud uncovered were by their own people. 

 A classic case of everyone knows somebody, but can't present evidence of it. 

 The best they can make the case for is it happens, but not significantly enough to get anywhere. The same way Russians can be shown to have meddeled in our elections, but not shown to have much influence. 

 Seeing as how both are pretty serious forms of foreign influence of our election system, we don't see the meddling t be a big enough issue to do anything about. 

2 hours ago, Uncle Sam said:
  • Establishing Sanctuary Cities: Illegal criminals are given a pass and this puts the citizens of that city in danger. MASSIVE DANGER. Many instances have already cropped up of citizens either loosing their lives or badly hurt thanks to illegal immigrant criminals who were let free because ICE was coming for them. Who does the Democrats represent? The citizens of this nation or foreigners? These actions really hurts the community that they are implemented in.

 

 Yeah I'm split here. Illegal immigration is an issue. Not a national emergency, but an issue. 

 On the one hand we have many people here who arrived illegally but do benefit the community. And frankly, getting into costs going through each and every one is incredibly expensive and time consuming. Obama focused on active threats, and saw pushback from his base on the numbers he deported. But funding wise its more practical, and short of a "Papers please" situation like we're seeing starting the best. 

 On the other sanctuary cities was a dumb idea. 

2 hours ago, Uncle Sam said:
  • Abolishing I.C.E: Another big one. I.C.E. is responsible for capturing and deporting violent criminals off our streets. They take care of illegal immigrants who basically hurt United States citizens or commit violent crimes that puts people's lives in danger. By advocating this, this keeps I.C.E. from deporting these violent criminals who were originally not suppose to be there.

Ice is a recent development, the debate is whether it's needed or over kill, especially based on the issues of legal citizens experiencing abuse at their hands and their slow work to fix those cases. 

2 hours ago, Uncle Sam said:

 

  • Spent Years Eroding Trust in Our President: Basically these people has spent years destroying the character, smearing his name, trying to destroy his family, and attacking his supporters. Even with the report of no conclusion or obstruction of justice, they still are pushing for impeaching the President. This has gone on far enough and the attacks have been vicious towards him as well as his supporters. People live's have been destroyed, reputations destroyed, and career's ruined thanks to the Democrats. We'll they ever allow this nation to move on or will they keep dragging this nation while keep putting people through this nightmare? This will never end, this will keep going till our president is out of office. Their actions have destroyed trust in the DOJ, FBI, CIA, The House, Congress, and the News Media. Something has to give or will they continue down this road of scorched Earth campaign?

Oh please. Tan suits, coffee cups, Kenyan Muslim Socialist possibly married to a transsexual, he's coming to take your guns, so on. 

 I'm going to caveat that the files have not been released, though the statement was that the president was not charged nor exonerated by the results. 

Going in Trump had a credibility issue. Multiple spouses, multiple affairs. Several bankruptcies several accounts of not paying contractors and renegading on deals. Nepotism. All night Twitter tirades. Calling for a "second amendment solution" to his opponent. Visiting the changing rooms of teen pageants. Not to mention his repeated attacks on McCain, who I had no want to vote for or want as an elected official but served honorably in the military. 

 Frankly attack on gold star families sort of surprise me, but that's acceptable now, so whatever. 

2 hours ago, Uncle Sam said:

I am just naming a few things that they either propose, tried to implement, or actively campaigning to do. It feels like the Democrats either went off in the deep end, turncoat against United States citizen's interests, or working for a foreign government to weaken our nation. This thought has seriously crossed my mind many times, over and over, which has lead me to view this party disgenerious to its voting block and will sell us off down the road. I for one can't trust them, because their character and their demeanor screams that us Citizens do not mean a damn thing to them. I can't be the only that feels this way...

Amazing. I've read and listened to exactly the same things from Democrats. 

As someone who does deeply love the ideals of this country, I do not support origibalists. The Founders were very clear. That as wealthy, white, male, land owning gentry they had no intention of spreading the power to the common man. 

 We're watching technologies we could have been championing go away to Europe and China while we are so afraid of attack we increase our military at the expense of our infrastructure and social systems. 

 We work harder, longer, with less benefits and more stress than our neighbors. 

 These aren't partisan, both sides contribute. And to crib Churchill, if we don't have it then whater we trying to defend in the first place. 

 And as always, I'll take delight in the "not a true American ©" socialist atheist ******* crap. 

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4 hours ago, Piney said:

 

They already took my gun rights, my right to vote and my Native American right to a joint citizenship with the Canada.  For defending my own property. They'll do it to the rest of you. Just watch. 

 

Only where the people ALLOW it to happen.  Look at the 30 out of 33 New Mexico counties that declared nullification on new gun laws passed and signed by a Dem legislature and governor.  Screw them.  They can't arrest thousands and if they begin confiscation there will be a backlash they aren't capable of handling.  Once actual attempts at confiscation begins, I expect many of the more Conservative state's citizenry to get LOUD about nullifying this garbage.

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