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(Opinion) I Wonder About Democrats...

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OverSword

There is nothing wrong with the democrats and republicans that two more parties, one left and one right, won't solve.  When the republicans absorbed the tea party and when the democrats absorbed the Sanders people, both parties were forced away from their moderate base in order to satisfy their more extreme voters.  What is needed is for socialists to vote socialist and not democrat and libertarians to vote libertarian and not republican.  That should give a much healthier balance to our narrative and minimize the extreme views we are currently the victims of. This is the only thing that is going to fix our government.  As it is and if things stand we will go from one extreme to the other and the only moves made will p*** off 50% of the people all the time.

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Phaeton80
16 hours ago, Raptor Witness said:

Look, this is not an argument about how wonderful conservatism is, anymore, it's an argument about backwards vs. forwards, thinking. The GOP is living in the stone age on almost every issue I can think of.

I'm done with all of the GOP .....   DONE!


Voting Dems will not be any solution though.. The system is set up to facilitate corruption, it is set up in favour of corporations, not the people. Table is incredibly slanted. Thats the problem, not left, not right. This false left >< right dichotomy bs.. with either side thinking the other is the problem, this sh* will continue without end (because neither side is the solution). Possibly even culminating in full blown internal conflict. Nothing good will come from this.

Allright, sofar the awkward local tinfoilhatter comment nobody wants to hear.

Play on! :D

 

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CrimsonKing
9 minutes ago, OverSword said:

There is nothing wrong with the democrats and republicans that two more parties, one left and one right, won't solve.  When the republicans absorbed the tea party and when the democrats absorbed the Sanders people, both parties were forced away from their moderate base in order to satisfy their more extreme voters.  What is needed is for socialists to vote socialist and not democrat and libertarians to vote libertarian and not republican.  That should give a much healthier balance to our narrative and minimize the extreme views we are currently the victims of. This is the only thing that is going to fix our government.  As it is and if things stand we will go from one extreme to the other and the only moves made will p*** off 50% of the people all the time.

Perfectly stated! :tu:

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OverSword
11 minutes ago, Phaeton80 said:


Voting Dems will not be any solution though.. The system is set up to facilitate corruption, it is set up in favour of corporations, not the people. Table is incredibly slanted. Thats the problem, not left, not right. This false left >< right dichotomy bs.. with either side thinking the other is the problem, this sh* will continue without end (because neither side is the solution). Possibly even culminating in full blown internal conflict. Nothing good will come from this.

Allright, sofar the awkward local tinfoilhatter comment nobody wants to hear.

Play on! :D

 

This is also a big problem.  Big money. 

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Raptor Witness
17 minutes ago, Phaeton80 said:


Voting Dems will not be any solution though.. The system is set up to facilitate corruption, it is set up in favour of corporations, not the people. Table is incredibly slanted. Thats the problem, not left, not right. This false left >< right dichotomy bs.. with either side thinking the other is the problem, this sh* will continue without end (because neither side is the solution). Possibly even culminating in full blown internal conflict. Nothing good will come from this.

Allright, sofar the awkward local tinfoilhatter comment nobody wants to hear.

Play on! :D

 

Partly true, but the greatest natural disasters in recorded human history have only begun.

The number of “worst ever” events have recently begun to snowball. These will increase and lead to a real, new deal.

The worst fires, largest tornado, worst environmental catastrophe, worst nuclear accident, worst tsunamis, etc.

Some are historic on a local basis, but the costs will eventually bankrupt, first the insurance industry, and then the banking system that it supports.

Human intervention doesn’t stop this acceleration. It ends with massive changes on a global basis.

There is nothing particularly cynical about it, it’s just the way the table has been set. There will be new winners, and new losers.

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Phaeton80
4 minutes ago, Raptor Witness said:

Partly true, but the greatest natural disasters in recorded human history have only begun.

The number of “worst ever” events have recently begun to snowball. These will increase and lead to a real, new deal.

The worst fires, largest tornado, worst environmental catastrophe, worst nuclear accident, worst tsunamis, etc.

Some are historic on a local basis, but the costs will eventually bankrupt, first the insurance industry, and then the banking system that it supports.

Human intervention doesn’t stop this acceleration. It ends with massive changes on a global basis.

There is nothing particularly cynical about it, it’s just the way the table has been set. There will be new winners, and new losers.


I was focussing on the political situation, US specifically at that, but yeah; climate change is a real issue. Human intervention isnt going to stop it, because it didnt start it to begin with imo. But that for another thread Id think.

Based on what exactly do you base these predictions, Im curious.. just personal belief?

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CrimsonKing
15 minutes ago, Phaeton80 said:

 Human intervention isnt going to stop it, because it didnt start it to begin with imo. 

Your "lefty" card has been revoked!...

You shall now be known as "one of them" or "Trump Russian colluder!!! :w00t:"

:lol:

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aztek

that is pretty much the only thing i agree with him on, we did not start climate change. 

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Phaeton80
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Pure left and right dont exist (unless ofcourse youre living in lalaland, or straight up extremist), the terms are just used to indicate extreme sides of the spectrum. Its bullsh*.

Your two party system makes this such a head to head situation; turning everyone into left or right, democrat or republican, donkey or elephant.. dividing the nation in two opposing camps.

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CrimsonKing
7 minutes ago, Phaeton80 said:

Pure left and right dont exist (unless ofcourse youre living in lalaland, or straight up extremist), the terms are just used to indicate extreme sides of the spectrum. Its bullsh*.

Your two party system makes this such a head to head situation; turning everyone into left or right, democrat or republican, donkey or elephant.. dividing the nation in two opposing camps.

I 100% agree with you :tu:

But this left/right disease of labeling,bickering,and being nasty to "the other side" is going global...

I'm a Libertarian who held my nose and voted Trump more outta disdain for Hillary than love for Trump...i've been boxed in and labeled here by more non Americans than my own people :lol:

 

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OverSword
Just now, CrimsonKing said:

I 100% agree with you :tu:

But this left/right disease of labeling,bickering,and being nasty to "the other side" is going global...

I'm a Libertarian who held my nose and voted Trump more outta disdain for Hillary than love for Trump...i've been boxed in and labeled here by more non Americans than my own people :lol:

 

Yeah, I can't count how many times I've been accused of being a republican here.

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Phaeton80
4 minutes ago, CrimsonKing said:

I 100% agree with you :tu:

But this left/right disease of labeling,bickering,and being nasty to "the other side" is going global...

I'm a Libertarian who held my nose and voted Trump more outta disdain for Hillary than love for Trump...i've been boxed in and labeled here by more non Americans than my own people :lol:

 


Thats because that line up was ab so lutely dreadful. I havent seen so many absolute morons in a row for a long time. Ted Cruz, Jeb Bush.. I mean.. gddmn. And to have to choose between Hillary and Trump.. well.. thats an issue.

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aztek
6 minutes ago, OverSword said:

Yeah, I can't count how many times I've been accused of being a republican here.

that is because you seem more conservative than liberal progressive, and conservatives are usually republicans

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OverSword
1 minute ago, aztek said:

that is because you seem more conservative than liberal progressive, and conservatives are usually republicans

Libertarian.

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CrimsonKing
3 minutes ago, aztek said:

that is because you seem more conservative than liberal progressive, and conservatives are usually republicans

Hell full blown Republicans are no longer truly "conservative"...

They just want to blow massive amounts of money on  different things.

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aztek
Just now, CrimsonKing said:

Hell full blown Republicans are no longer truly "conservative"...

They just want to blow massive amounts of money on  different things.

yes, they sure do, money is always thrown at problems by our gvmnt,  but reps are not the ones that came up with new green deal, or whatever they call it, that would cost 90+ trillions,  even full blown republicans aren't that wasteful. 

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CrimsonKing
Just now, aztek said:

yes, they sure do, money is always thrown at problems by our gvmnt,  but reps are not the ones that came up with new green deal, or whatever they call it, that would cost 90+ trillions,  even full blown republicans aren't that wasteful. 

Can't argue that...

The preliminary vote yesterday was hillarious lol

All the Dems wanted to look hip,cool,and "with it"...they just didn't want their names attached to it :lol:

We are in for a wild ride these next couple of elections...not sure this country can withstand the wild swings coming its way.

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RavenHawk
1 hour ago, Raptor Witness said:

Partly true, but the greatest natural disasters in recorded human history have only begun.

The number of “worst ever” events have recently begun to snowball. These will increase and lead to a real, new deal.

The worst fires, largest tornado, worst environmental catastrophe, worst nuclear accident, worst tsunamis, etc.

Some are historic on a local basis, but the costs will eventually bankrupt, first the insurance industry, and then the banking system that it supports.

Human intervention doesn’t stop this acceleration. It ends with massive changes on a global basis.

There is nothing particularly cynical about it, it’s just the way the table has been set. There will be new winners, and new losers.

They have been going on for a long time.  Long before Man.  Even just a few hundred years ago, we only had a fraction of the population of today.  When these natural events occurred, they didn’t really affect that many.  It wasn’t that they have gotten worse, it’s that we are now able to view their total expanse and with more people in the way, the chances of bad things happening increases.  For manmade events like nuclear accidents, when you compare them to disasters in general, they really haven’t been that bad.  3-mile Island, Chernobyl, Fukushima and we’re still here.  Don’t take that wrong.  These are serious events but they are not the boogeyman that many have made them out to be.  As time goes by, we learn how to handle fissionable material and accidents like this fade away.  The growing fire disasters is because people think that forest management is leave it alone.  Before the Columbian Exchange, the indigenous would do periodic prescribed burns.  Maybe if we go back to that and keep fuels away from homes, fires won’t be so bad.  There are also incidents like Exxon-Valdez and Deepwater Horizon that dumped millions of barrels of oil into the environment, but don’t you think there have been earthquakes that have ruptured fissures that has allowed crude oil to spill out?  True, the frequency is probably higher under man but as with nuclear, Man learns from his mistakes, Gaia does not.  What will bankrupt insurance and banking will be that more and more people will move into disaster prone areas.  We need to learn how to step out of the way or hunker down when Mother Nature does her thing and not play the victim.

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RavenHawk
1 hour ago, Phaeton80 said:


I was focussing on the political situation, US specifically at that, but yeah; climate change is a real issue. Human intervention isnt going to stop it, because it didnt start it to begin with imo. But that for another thread Id think.

It depends on which ‘climate change’ you are talking about?  If it’s just 'climate change', then yes, human intervention isn’t going to make a difference.  If you are talking about ‘anthropomorphic climate change’, then that doesn’t exist.  Man effects his environment and maybe local weather patterns, but that is not climate.

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RavenHawk
58 minutes ago, Phaeton80 said:

Pure left and right dont exist (unless ofcourse youre living in lalaland, or straight up extremist), the terms are just used to indicate extreme sides of the spectrum. Its bullsh*.

You’re starting to sound like me.  The extremes are so far out that they are actually the same.  As I’ve said before, if you take the standard political spectrum and fold it in half, the two extremes end up traveling together.  What’s left are the true Conservative/Tea Party and Democrats that have left the party to become Independents or Libertarians.  This is what is left of the original Federalist/anti-Federalist, Classical Conservative/Liberal ideology.  Trump is right there but because the extremes are so far out that to them, he is extreme along with the rest of us Deplorables.

 

Your two party system makes this such a head to head situation; turning everyone into left or right, democrat or republican, donkey or elephant.. dividing the nation in two opposing camps.

Isn’t the Netherlands under a parliamentary system?  So ultimately you have coalitions that form two sides?  Sounds like a head to head situation.

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EnderOTD
20 hours ago, Gertdoggy said:

Speaking personally as a past Democrat - I will take today's GOP over today's Liberals any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

I second this, former bleeding heart liberal myself.  I’m pretty moderate and have convictions from both sides of the aisle but never again voting democrat.  Libertarian or gop from now on.

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and then
16 hours ago, ShadowSot said:

For the record, I too don't point a weapon I'm not ready and willing to use. And the steady hands to use them, if need be. 

That's good to hear.  Maybe we can compete in an IDPA match at some point.  As to the rest, I respond to what I consider to be important and leave the rest on the cutting room floor because it's usually just empty rhetoric.  You have a nice day.  :) 

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Raptor Witness
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6 hours ago, Phaeton80 said:


I was focussing on the political situation, US specifically at that, but yeah; climate change is a real issue. Human intervention isnt going to stop it, because it didnt start it to begin with imo. But that for another thread Id think.

Based on what exactly do you base these predictions, Im curious.. just personal belief?

Environmental change is how we came to be. That’s the scientific basis for what I see happening. The earth made a treaty with diversity long before human beings came into existence. Given this. do you really think that we can contain that power?

On the contrary, our own extinction is  environmentally certain, without outside help. Those who had sense enough to see this long ago, simply spelled it out in a religious text.

To paraphrase, ”if not, for the sake of the elect, there should no flesh be saved alive.” 

If you recall hearing those words, somewhere before, you would be correct. They were spoken to the Lord of the Earth as Abraham walked towards the cities on the plain.

The restraint we observe now, will be short lived. What happened at Fukushima is the fundamental basis for my belief.

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ShadowSot
5 hours ago, and then said:

That's good to hear.  Maybe we can compete in an IDPA match at some point.  As to the rest, I respond to what I consider to be important and leave the rest on the cutting room floor because it's usually just empty rhetoric.  You have a nice day.  :) 

Yes, I've noticed you have a habit of responding to single bits of post and lack of substance and a need for the last word. Except to harp on how you wish undesirables didn't vote, rail against the system when it doesn't benefit you, and and back down in a hurry when talking about the trash. 

 

Anyway, as I mentioned earlier there are threads exactly like this from the liberal side down to posts that look like someone just did a word swap. 

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ShadowSot
16 hours ago, aztek said:

very clear, what is unclear which half is trash and undesirables. 

When it was origiinally brought up, half the US, Republicans, were not dismissed as undersireables. 

 On this thread it starts with dismissing all liberals as a problem. 

 The media is labeled as hard for liberals but they were the ones that created the spin in the first place, that all Republicans were dismissed as undersireables. 

It's a good sound bite and one that was run into the ground. The constant news cycle brings us daily scandals before the facts are in and the confused informations leaves plenty of talking points and confusion for people to get lost in. 

Normal arguments and discussions are presented as slams, fights, and beat downs and sow division in the voting base. 

 And that's without adding in the conflicted and compromised venues people get their news from. 

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