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Trump accuses FBI officials of Treason

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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-28/trump-accuses-fbi-officials-who-investigated-him-of-treason

President Donald Trump said former FBI employees Peter Strzok and Lisa Page committed treason when they took steps to investigate his possible ties to Russia during the 2016 campaign.

“They wanted an insurance policy against me,” Trump said Wednesday in an interview on Sean Hannity’s Fox News program, the president’s first since Attorney General William Barr announced on Sunday that Robert Mueller had found no coordination between his campaign and the Russian government. “And what we were playing out until just recently was the insurance policy. They wanted to do a subversion. It was treason. It was really treason.”

 

I told you the T word was coming.

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Piney
12 minutes ago, F3SS said:

I told you the T word was coming.

Trainwreck? :huh:

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Michelle
3 minutes ago, Piney said:

Trainwreck? :huh:

I don't know about you, but I've been fascinated at how Trump has brought out the true colors of both parties. :tu:

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Piney
8 minutes ago, Michelle said:

I don't know about you, but I've been fascinated at how Trump has brought out the true colors of both parties. :tu:

That's why I wanted to see him in. Monty Python couldn't write a script for this circus. :yes:

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Political Cartoons by Tom Stiglich

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2 hours ago, F3SS said:

 

I told you the T word was coming.

I don't think Treason is the appropriate charge but what they and others have done is the TEXTBOOK DEFINITION of Sedition.  Unless enough citizens get angry enough to get off their asses and hit the streets in large numbers, these bass-tards will get away with it and we'll see a trend towards worse behavior.  Like any other criminals, unless held accountable, they'll continue until they ARE stopped.

To wit:

A factious commotion of the people, a tumultuous assembly of men rising in opposition to law or the administration of justice, and in disturbance of the public peace. 

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ShadowSot

The same summary that exonerated Trump also indicates the Russians did attempt to influence the election in trumps favor. 

 At the same time trump had business interests in Russia, was approached by Russian officials, and in Eric's case met with a Russian official and lied about it. Mueller investigation turned out indictments against Russian officials. 

 In office trump reduced sanctions, refused to impose sanctions initially. Since the election no effort has been made to secure against foreign influence despite recommendations from security officials. 

Officials have been investigated over smoke in the past, 

 

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ShadowSot
55 minutes ago, and then said:

I don't think Treason is the appropriate charge but what they and others have done is the TEXTBOOK DEFINITION of Sedition.  Unless enough citizens get angry enough to get off their asses and hit the streets in large numbers, these bass-tards will get away with it and we'll see a trend towards worse behavior.  Like any other criminals, unless held accountable, they'll continue until they ARE stopped.

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A factious commotion of the people, a tumultuous assembly of men rising in opposition to law or the administration of justice, and in disturbance of the public peace. 

I'm curios, do you feel the same about officials who openly state their intent to undermine and sabotage a president? 

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Tatetopa
29 minutes ago, ShadowSot said:

I'm curios, do you feel the same about officials who openly state their intent to undermine and sabotage a president? 

Referring to Mitch and Barak?

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ShadowSot
8 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

Referring to Mitch and Barak?

That specific phrasing, yeah. But in general applied. There's a graph somewhere showing how policy changed in relation to who was attempting to implement in. 

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5 hours ago, ShadowSot said:

That specific phrasing, yeah. But in general applied. There's a graph somewhere showing how policy changed in relation to who was attempting to implement in. 

First off, Obama bent over backward to "have more flexibility" after "my last election" so Trump trying to improve relations with a nation that's potentially the greatest threat to our national survival is, on the whole, a positive thing and not treason.  Second, HRC dealt with Russia regularly through her campaign by proxy with Fusion GPS and the former Brit spy who was on record hating Trump.  Anyone that still believes Trump is in Putin's pocket is beyond ever being convinced otherwise.  He has slapped more, and more crippling, sanctions on Russia than any president before him.  Sure, early on he was pushed to do it but the important thing that should be recognized by those that hate him and simply isn't is that he HAS implemented harsh sanctions.  Short of taking us to the brink of a nuclear exchange, I'm not sure what more the Left would expect of him.

The 5th column is STILL yammering on about collusion and are now attacking an AG they heartily approved of for the job just a couple of months ago.  I'll go on record right now saying that they will never, ever give up trying to destroy Trump, his family, and anyone that works for him, not even if they could manage to remove him from office.  They (the establishment old guard) want to make a SERIOUS example of what will happen to an "outsider" that they haven't gotten control of before he or she gets that job.  

The hatred and venom from the Left has been so over the top and constant since 2016 that a lot more than just Trump voters have gotten tired of it and we may well see that hatred get him re-elected next year.  

Not to derail, but how do you feel about Trump declassifying and making public all the details around the FISA applications that started this whole "investigation"?  I think he should do it right now and he should also do the same with every syllable of the Mueller report including ALL investigative work by the FBI and intel agencies.  The single exception that should be kept secret is the actual names of agents who are under non-official covers - IOW, spies.  Even THEN, I think their "work product" should be made available.  It's past time for this septic tank to be pumped...

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RavenHawk
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8 hours ago, ShadowSot said:

I'm curios, do you feel the same about officials who openly state their intent to undermine and sabotage a president? 

If I may read between the lines…  There is a difference between loyal opposition and treason.  The Loyal opposition plays hardball on the field of gridlock.  This is how our system was designed to work.  Treason is the continuous attack on the President in what amounts to a soft coup.  furthermore, the nation is being assaulted by an ideology bent on taking over and usurping what the Founding Fathers had given us.  But like all coups that are found out and thwarted, the ring leaders are rounded up and dealt with.  I think it is a bit early to declare victory for the continuance of our nation but the end is near for the traitors.  Too bad the penalty isn’t putting them to death these days but make them spend their fortunes defending themselves in court.  Make their families suffer.  The example must be made so that this doesn’t happen again.

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Setton
4 hours ago, and then said:

I think he should do it right now and he should also do the same with every syllable of the Mueller report including ALL investigative work by the FBI and intel agencies.  The single exception that should be kept secret is the actual names of agents who are under non-official covers - IOW, spies.  Even THEN, I think their "work product" should be made available.  It's past time for this septic tank to be pumped...

So you want to give away your entire investigative capability and the identities of a number of your covert staff?

I'm sure the word treason was being bandied around earlier... 

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4 minutes ago, Setton said:

So you want to give away your entire investigative capability and the identities of a number of your covert staff?

I'm sure the word treason was being bandied around earlier... 

 

English... is it a second language for you?

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Setton
1 minute ago, and then said:

English... is it a second language for you?

If you make their work product public, you jeopardise their cover. That's not difficult to understand. 

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1 minute ago, Setton said:

If you make their work product public, you jeopardise their cover. That's not difficult to understand. 

If they aren't NOCs, I think it's well worth causing a few of them to be reassigned.  We're talking about a damned COUP that was attempted here.  In fact, it's still underway.  He should take whatever steps are necessary to secure covert agent's lives but the public have a right to know what the previous administration and its top level intel and FBI personnel attempted to do here.  The truth is in those documents and they should be made available with NO redaction whatsoever.  It's past time for the truth.  Those bass-turds need holding accountable to the extreme.

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ShadowSot
4 hours ago, and then said:

First off, Obama bent over backward to "have more flexibility" after "my last election" so Trump trying to improve relations with a nation that's potentially the greatest threat to our national survival is, on the whole, a positive thing and not treason.  

Never said it was. 

4 hours ago, and then said:

Second, HRC dealt with Russia regularly through her campaign by proxy with Fusion GPS and the former Brit spy who was on record hating Trump. 

Picking up opposition research started by a conservative team. Investigations tried to back up the Russian claims there and failed, as they did with trump and Russia. 

4 hours ago, and then said:

Anyone that still believes Trump is in Putin's pocket is beyond ever being convinced otherwise.

Partially because it's a good story, partially because of the administration having folks arrested about lieing over the involvement or lieing about meeting with Russian proxies. 

 Meeting privately and seizing transcripts doesn't help matters. 

4 hours ago, and then said:

  He has slapped more, and more crippling, sanctions on Russia than any president before him. 

Not really true, he keeps making that claim, but no political fact checker has backed this up. He's actually backed off of things by the previous administration to restrict interference in the elections. 

4 hours ago, and then said:

 

The 5th column is STILL yammering on about collusion and are now attacking an AG they heartily approved of for the job just a couple of months ago.  I'll go on record right now saying that they will never, ever give up trying to destroy Trump, his family, and anyone that works for him, not even if they could manage to remove him from office.  They (the establishment old guard) want to make a SERIOUS example of what will happen to an "outsider" that they haven't gotten control of before he or she gets that job.  

Frankly, Trump is more than capable of destroying himself. He's a business man who couldn't get loans from domestic banks before the election and been shown to have misrepresented his worth and holdings in the run up. A normal person would be charged for that. 

As for his family, normally putting your family into positions of government would be seen as pure nepotism. 

4 hours ago, and then said:

 

Not to derail, but how do you feel about Trump declassifying and making public all the details around the FISA applications that started this whole "investigation"?  I think he should do it right now and he should also do the same with every syllable of the Mueller report including ALL investigative work by the FBI and intel agencies.  The single exception that should be kept secret is the actual names of agents who are under non-official covers - IOW, spies.  Even THEN, I think their "work product" should be made available.  It's past time for this septic tank to be pumped...

Actually, I agree. 

 Though Trump can of course just go ahead and make the names public, eh? 

 I'd like more details concerning this part personally :

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After making a “thorough factual investigation” into these matters, the Special Counsel considered whether to evaluate the conduct under Department standards governing prosecution and declination decisions but ultimately determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment. The Special Counsel therefore did not draw a conclusion - one way or the other – as to whether the examined conduct constituted obstruction. Instead, for each of the relevant actions investigated, the report sets out evidence on both sides of the question and leaves unresolved what the Special Counsel views as “difficult issues” of law and fact concerning whether the President's actions and intent could be viewed as obstruction. 

This language is similar to what excused Hillary, and previously the AG stated that he does not believe a sitting president could be indicted. I'd like to see that cleared up. 

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ShadowSot
4 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

If I may read between the lines…  There is a difference between loyal opposition and treason.  The Loyal opposition plays hardball on the field of gridlock.  This is how our system was designed to work.  Treason is the continuous attack on the President in what amounts to a soft coup.  furthermore, the nation is being assaulted by an ideology bent on taking over and usurping what the Founding Fathers had given us.  But like all coups that are found out and thwarted, the ring leaders are rounded up and dealt with.  I think it is a bit early to declare victory for the continuance of our nation but the end is near for the traitors.  Too bad the penalty isn’t putting them to death these days but make them spend their fortunes defending themselves in court.  Make their families suffer.  The example must be made so that this doesn’t happen again.

Ooh yes, go after the families. Love torture porn.

Frankly this reads as it's fine when my guys do it. You have a point of view of how the country should be lead, and anything goes so long as it's done by those you agree with. 

 Let's note these people didn't suffer from their actions, they passed the sacrifice onto the people. And they regularly backtracked over policies they supported and undercut deals made that were part of a working government. 

Government works through compromise, and backtracking over policies you support and want done because you don't like the guy in charge just so you can undermine him attacks that foundation. 

Frankly I'm more than a little concerned over the precedents that have been set over the decade or so and how they'll play out in the future. 

 The US is already much different than the founders intended. Right to representation, a standing army, voting rights, corporate rights, so on. 

Originalists have a very narrow and specific interpretation of what they mean when they interpret the founders intentions. 

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F3SS

Let's see how this unfolds. Trump has a habit of coming out on top. FTR, I think there will be Republicans implicated in this as well and not just John McCain and it might have to do with more than the Russia issue.

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Ashotep
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I'm glad we have a president that has a mouth and knows how to use it.  I get really tired of hearing politicians talk around a subject without ever addressing it.

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ShadowSot
7 minutes ago, Ashotep said:

I'm glad we have a president that has a mouth and knows how to use it.  I get really tired of hearing politicians talk around a subject without ever addressing it.

Trumps tendency to talk without thinking has presented some wonderful comedy nuggets, certainly. 

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Ashotep
14 minutes ago, ShadowSot said:

Trumps tendency to talk without thinking has presented some wonderful comedy nuggets, certainly. 

He has presented some wonderful truth which sometimes is funny.

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ShadowSot
6 minutes ago, Ashotep said:

He has presented some wonderful truth which sometimes is funny.

Certainly, especially showing how the office should be held responsible until he held it, for example. Or how important it is to spend all night mocking a woman for being overweight. 

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Michelle

I'm sick of both parties! Democrats mock Sarah Sanders because of her weight and talk down to minorities like they are stupid. Republicans have their whole Bible thing going. albeit, not as much as they used to.

Hypocrites...all of them.

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