Trump accuses FBI officials of Treason

[RavenHawk]

On 3/28/2019 at 2:43 PM, ShadowSot said:

Ooh yes, go after the families. Love torture porn.

I was referring to what Mueller was doing.

 

Frankly this reads as it's fine when my guys do it.

“My guys” have never done this.  No one has.  It’s gotten close several times but the Loyal Opposition knew when to pull back.

 

You have a point of view of how the country should be lead,

Absolutely!  It is about as close as possible to how the Founding Fathers intended it to be.  The problem is, everyone should have the same concern.  This issue is not multiple choice.

 

and anything goes so long as it's done by those you agree with. 

Tell that to the Progressives.

 

Let's note these people didn't suffer from their actions, they passed the sacrifice onto the people. And they regularly backtracked over policies they supported and undercut deals made that were part of a working government. 

That’s why we need term limits.  This is why the people sent Trump to Washington, to drain the swamp.  Politician should never be a profession.  When you serve, you are a Statesman and when your term is over, you retire and return back to your prior profession.

 

Government works through compromise,

And Progressives do not compromise.

 

and backtracking over policies you support and want done because you don't like the guy in charge just so you can undermine him attacks that foundation. 

You think?!  I don’t think Progs care about policy.  They crave power and Trump stands in their way.  Anything goes to usurp him.

 

Frankly I'm more than a little concerned over the precedents that have been set over the decade or so and how they'll play out in the future. 

We can actually trace it back to Reagan.  The attacks on Reagan, Bush 41, Bush 43, and now Trump have gotten progressively (pardon the pun) worse.  Socialism should make one concerned.  That, you can trace back to the election of Wilson.  The 16^th and 17^th Amendments where the first Socialist Amendments.  At their heart are the roots of the destruction of this country.

 

 The US is already much different than the founders intended. Right to representation, a standing army, voting rights, corporate rights, so on. 

Yes it is, but human nature is still the same.  Of the four you mention, I believe we have always had a right to representation??  Standing armies are different today.  They are professional and volunteer.  They have to be professional because the technology requires more training than a militia can provide.  Unless everyone joins a militia like Washington envisioned and have everyone offer one weekend a month, two weeks a year, then a standing army is the way to go.  I very much approve of Washington’s idea but have high school grads offer a two year period of service.  Not just military but simply service to the nation.  The military must have a high level of preparedness in today’s world.  What has changed is that armies back then where mostly conscripts from foreign lands.  Our military are of our own people, they are the sons, daughters, husbands, and wives of the people.  With the long-standing tradition of Posse Comitatus, there would be no real violation of the 3^rd Amendment.  This is what Obama was trying to get around by his desire to establish a NCSF that would be loyal to him and not the people.  Voting rights have gotten very diluted.  Voting rights should only be allowed for those that pay the bills.  Those that get handouts from the government will only vote for more handouts and not what’s important to the nation.  This corporate rights concept is very vague and not well defined.  Because of that there is room for abuse.  It’s just another wedge that Socialism uses to break this country apart.

 

Originalists have a very narrow and specific interpretation of what they mean when they interpret the founders intentions. 

As it should be.  The Founders intended on very limited government and very unlimited rights.  You stay within that narrow and specific interpretation, then you’ll be safe.

[Setton]

5 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

Voting rights should only be allowed for those that pay the bills. 

Funny, that's the argument they used in the 19th century to deny the working classes the vote. 

What an enlightened country you wish for. Perhaps you should consider a move to somewhere where you can just buy yourself some extra votes. 

[Raptor Witness]

Politics has always been a bloodsport, but when it comes to the FBI, I don’t think treason is the correct word.

Ever since they were founded, the FBI has had the job of protecting the people against internal enemies, who were beyond the reach of local law enforcement.

Trump invites people to believe that his self interests do not include the American people, and to the extent that this may be a crime, is not unreasonable.

 I’m glad that Trump got rid of Comey, because he was clearly a bad person in that position, but I don’t think what I’ve seen rises to the level of treason. I think this is just Trump blowing some smoke back in their faces.

[+and-then]

On 3/28/2019 at 3:29 PM, ShadowSot said:

Picking up opposition research started by a conservative team. Investigations tried to back up the Russian claims there and failed, as they did with trump and Russia

I've seen the accusation, I'm not sure it was as cut and dried as that but even if some "Never Trumpers" like McCain did pay for oppo research, it doesn't absolve what HRC's team did nor does it ,ake it okay for such research to be used to get a FISA warrant against someone INSIDE the campaign of the opposition candidate by the sitting administration.  Come on, man.  If Trump, Bush or any other Republican president did that to a Dem candidate, you'd be screaming injustice - and you'd be ABSOLUTELY correct.  The real investigation needs to be started now to find out who within the Obama administration took the initiative to use the levers of power of our government to ensnare a candidate and when that couldn't be done, to cripple a presidency.  If an investigation isn't completed that explains how this happened AND hold someone accountable, this country is on its way down.  Multi-tiered "justice" isn't justice, at all.

[+and-then]

11 minutes ago, Raptor Witness said:

 I’m glad that Trump got rid of Comey, because he was clearly a bad person in that position, but I don’t think what I’ve seen rises to the level of treason. I think this is just Trump blowing some smoke back in their faces.

The more appropriate charge would be Sedition.  They acted in concert, behind the scenes to use Federal resources to cripple a candidacy, then to cripple a presidency or pave the way for a soft coup.  If the evidence we now have of the way this thing unfolded proved that a Republican president had done this to a Democrat candidate/president, you'd think the world was burning down by the reactions from the LEFT.  This one has to be settled in the open or this country will never be the same again.  People are sick and fed up with these sleaze bags, BOTH parties.

[+and-then]

10 hours ago, Setton said:

Perhaps you should consider a move to somewhere where you can just buy yourself some extra votes.

Uninformed voters are emotional voters.  They are too easily swayed by purely emotional appeals.  Oregon's Democrats want to capitalize on this fact by giving the franchise to SIXTEEN-YEAR-OLD children.  We'll never go back to a system where only land-owners, or even taxpayers, are the only people allowed a vote.  At this point, I'd just feel better if the bustards on the Left weren't beginning to demand that non-citizens have the right.  THAT is pure effing insanity, bruh.  It would lead to the downfall of this nation and our politicians are power-mad enough to not even care about the consequences.  People outside the U.S. probably agree with anything they perceive that could damage us and cause us distress.  That's self-defeating though. Once this nation is done, good luck with what comes in the wake.

[Raptor Witness]

11 hours ago, and then said:

The more appropriate charge would be Sedition.  They acted in concert, behind the scenes to use Federal resources to cripple a candidacy, then to cripple a presidency or pave the way for a soft coup.  If the evidence we now have of the way this thing unfolded proved that a Republican president had done this to a Democrat candidate/president, you'd think the world was burning down by the reactions from the LEFT.  This one has to be settled in the open or this country will never be the same again.  People are sick and fed up with these sleaze bags, BOTH parties.

Intentional division, is strictly a Republican idea, at the moment. This began with President Obama’s birth certificate. I don’t see the same problem with the Democrats.

This idea of division, is also not new for the Republican Party, but it is for an American President, at least in my memory.  It is also the only basis I can see now, for impeachment.

It is also reasonable, to ask the question, has Trump been compromised, given his curious divisiory behavior.  Whether it’s just his soul, or a foreign power, makes little difference to me. 

 

[+and-then]

On 3/28/2019 at 2:50 AM, ShadowSot said:

Officials have been investigated over smoke in the past,

Yes, they have.  And it has been a waste of time before, for political reasons.  The difference this time is that these investigations were set in motion by one sitting administration to take down the candidate, then president of the opposition party.  If this isn't the case then a thorough look into the allegations by a special counsel and the complete de-classification of the FISA warrant application should be no problem.

[+and-then]

5 hours ago, Raptor Witness said:

Intentional division, is strictly a Republican idea, at the moment. This began with President Obama’s birth certificate. I don’t see the same problem with the Democrats.

Then you are blind to the reality of what was done by Obama's FBI and DNI on behalf of Democrat HRC.  With all the evidence we've seen showing what they've done, that makes you either in denial or a straight up political hack.  

[F3SS]

17 hours ago, and then said:

I've seen the accusation, I'm not sure it was as cut and dried as that but even if some "Never Trumpers" like McCain did pay for oppo research, it doesn't absolve what HRC's team did nor does it ,ake it okay for such research to be used to get a FISA warrant against someone INSIDE the campaign of the opposition candidate by the sitting administration.  Come on, man.  If Trump, Bush or any other Republican president did that to a Dem candidate, you'd be screaming injustice - and you'd be ABSOLUTELY correct.  The real investigation needs to be started now to find out who within the Obama administration took the initiative to use the levers of power of our government to ensnare a candidate and when that couldn't be done, to cripple a presidency.  If an investigation isn't completed that explains how this happened AND hold someone accountable, this country is on its way down.  Multi-tiered "justice" isn't justice, at all.

Who took the initiative? It came from the top.

[Raptor Witness]

On 4/2/2019 at 6:30 PM, and then said:

Then you are blind to the reality of what was done by Obama's FBI and DNI on behalf of Democrat HRC.  With all the evidence we've seen showing what they've done, that makes you either in denial or a straight up political hack.  

I have never been accused of being a political hack, for simply expressing my opinions .

As for being in denial, the problem with the FBI and the DOJ are that they too have political motivations, and they are easily tempted to abuse their authority.

If crimes were committed, then I agree they should be investigated and possibly prosecuted.

 

[Dark_Grey]

On 02/04/2019 at 12:08 AM, and then said:

Uninformed voters are emotional voters.  They are too easily swayed by purely emotional appeals.  Oregon's Democrats want to capitalize on this fact by giving the franchise to SIXTEEN-YEAR-OLD children.  We'll never go back to a system where only land-owners, or even taxpayers, are the only people allowed a vote.  At this point, I'd just feel better if the bustards on the Left weren't beginning to demand that non-citizens have the right.  THAT is pure effing insanity, bruh.  It would lead to the downfall of this nation and our politicians are power-mad enough to not even care about the consequences.  People outside the U.S. probably agree with anything they perceive that could damage us and cause us distress.  That's self-defeating though.

Right on all accounts. The Dems may have realized they can't depend on their platform to win votes so they are resorting to this. Get the impressionable to vote en mass. They are willing to throw all integrity of the voting system under the bus to score a win. Republicans have messed with votes in the past, there is no doubt. But never have they encouraged "non-citizens" to vote, much less children.

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Once this nation is done, good luck with what comes in the wake.

I hope to be long gone by then. At some point, you have to look around and ask yourself if it's worth saving when so few seem to care any more. I've seen enough flags being burned in the streets over the past 3 years to last a life time.

[Farmer77]

 

3 hours ago, Dark_Grey said:

I've seen enough flags being burned in the streets over the past 3 years to last a life time.

God I wish I'd see that in my streets. What I see is American flags being replaced by Trump flags.

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

2 hours ago, Farmer77 said:

 

God I wish I'd see that in my streets. What I see is American flags being replaced by Trump flags.

Well no wonder why you're bitter!   LOL       j/k

[aztek]

no, that is your eyes giving up from all that trump hating,  thus you see trump everywhere,  

damn, seems like TDS is serious condition, check it out before euthanasia is the only solution, lol

Edited April 5, 2019 by aztek

[F3SS]

On 4/5/2019 at 11:22 AM, Dark_Grey said:

Right on all accounts. The Dems may have realized they can't depend on their platform to win votes so they are resorting to this. Get the impressionable to vote en mass. They are willing to throw all integrity of the voting system under the bus to score a win. Republicans have messed with votes in the past, there is no doubt. But never have they encouraged "non-citizens" to vote, much less children.

I hope to be long gone by then. At some point, you have to look around and ask yourself if it's worth saving when so few seem to care any more. I've seen enough flags being burned in the streets over the past 3 years to last a life time.

That's because the media doesn't show you all the flags being waved. No reason to give up hope yet.