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Donald Trump threatens to close US-Mexico border over immigrant dispute

President Donald Trump has threatened to close the US border with Mexico next week, potentially disrupting billions of dollars in trade, if Mexico does not stop immigrants from reaching the United States.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-30/trump-threatens-to-close-us-mexico-border-over-immigrant-dispute/10955842

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Gromdor

NAFTA 2.0 hasn't even been ratified by congress yet and he wants to trash his own deal?   Sounds about right.

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Lord Harry

Better late than never.  Well done Mr. President.

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Captain Risky
19 minutes ago, Lord Harry said:

Better late than never.  Well done Mr. President.

read an article that 1 in every 6 Salvadorians now lives in the U.S. would it be easier just annexing these regions and making them part of the U.S.?

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Lord Harry
2 minutes ago, Captain Risky said:

read an article that 1 in every 6 Salvadorians now lives in the U.S. would it be easier just annexing these regions and making them part of the U.S.?

No.  What needs to be done is a mass deportation back to El Salvador and any other Latin American country these illegal aliens hail from.

There is no constitutional right for the entire world to live in the United States, and the legal immigration process should be highly selective to ensure that only the best and brightest, those who will actually contribute to bettering the quality of American life should immigrate here.  If these people want a better life, then they need to figure out a way to make their country a place where they can better themselves.

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Just now, Lord Harry said:

No.  What needs to be done is a mass deportation back to El Salvador and any other Latin American country these illegal aliens hail from.

There is no constitutional right for the entire world to live in the United States, and the legal immigration process should be highly selective to ensure that only the best and brightest, those who will actually contribute to bettering the quality of American life should immigrate here.  If these people want a better life, then they need to figure out a way to make their country a place where they can better themselves.

no constitutional right for people to move to your country but there is.. 'give us your tired, poor... 

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Lord Harry
Just now, Captain Risky said:

no constitutional right for people to move to your country but there is.. 'give us your tired, poor... 

That ain't the U.S. Constitution. That is about as valid an argument as a law requiring all mountains in the country be spray painted purple due to the lyrics in the song "America the Beautiful."

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1 hour ago, Gromdor said:

NAFTA 2.0 hasn't even been ratified by congress yet and he wants to trash his own deal?   Sounds about right.

Cost/benefit analysis probably would still make it a net gain.  I doubt he's serious though.  Unless he IS, he should shut up about it.  If he actually put the forces down there to close that border, we'd see an insurgency by the Cartels.  No way he's stopping that business with force unless he's willing to go full Roman on the state of Mexico.

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10 minutes ago, Captain Risky said:

no constitutional right for people to move to your country but there is.. 'give us your tired, poor... 

You know that was just a POEM, right?  Do you realize that long after that platitude was placed on the statue, our government put very severe limitations on overall immigration from the early 20s to the mid-60s?  It was done primarily so that assimilation could occur.  We desperately need a generation of the same thing NOW.  People who show up at our borders waving the flags of their home countries need to be given some lessons in reality that include severe distress, pain, and potential DEATH.

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Tatetopa
19 minutes ago, Lord Harry said:

the legal immigration process should be highly selective to ensure that only the best and brightest, those who will actually contribute to bettering the quality of American life should immigrate here.

Aren't you afraid the best and brightest from around the world will replace you?

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susieice
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20 minutes ago, Captain Risky said:

no constitutional right for people to move to your country but there is.. 'give us your tired, poor... 

That's a poem on a statue that wasn't even written here. Just saying.

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Likely Guy

He threatens a lot of things, thankfully most haven't come to fruition.

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RAyMO
24 minutes ago, Lord Harry said:

There is no constitutional right for the entire world to live in the United States, and the legal immigration process should be highly selective to ensure that only the best and brightest, those who will actually contribute to bettering the quality of American life should immigrate here.

In this day and age the brightest and the best know to stay as far away from the US as possible.

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1 minute ago, Likely Guy said:

He threatens a lot of things, thankfully most haven't come to fruition.

He's been under constant political attack for two-plus years, he gets mostly cleared of wrongdoing and now he sees they're just shifting to new attacks.  I wonder if it ever occurred to the silly asses that HE just might decide to use his power to counterattack them?  He CAN summarily close the border, Federalize their state guards, flood the zone with dozens of executive actions that they cannot stop through judge shopping, at least not before he damages them substantially.  He actually IS the most powerful person on the planet in many ways.  Once he realizes he's on his own and no one is going to work with him he might well decide to ring everyone's bell for a wake-up call.  If he does, more power to him.  No other president in our history has been so disrespected or as restrained in dealing with his obvious political enemies.  He should go balls out UGLY on them for a change.

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7 minutes ago, RAyMO said:

In this day and age the brightest and the best know to stay as far away from the US as possible.

According to who?

https://www.h1b1.com/news-and-links/visa-waiting-list-quota/

 

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Captain Risky
9 minutes ago, susieice said:

That's a poem on a statue that wasn't even written here. Just saying.

Yes I know but it’s been the voice of America for such a long time that it might as well be part of your constitution. You built a nation with this credo, became famous for it. This welcome poem has become a beacon to immigrants. Now Trump and others are concerned that too many are coming. America is a victim of its own success.

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Likely Guy
8 minutes ago, and then said:

No other president in our history has been so disrespected or as restrained in dealing with his obvious political enemies.

Please tell me that you wrote that part just for fun.

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Captain Risky
20 minutes ago, and then said:

You know that was just a POEM, right?  Do you realize that long after that platitude was placed on the statue, our government put very severe limitations on overall immigration from the early 20s to the mid-60s?  It was done primarily so that assimilation could occur.  We desperately need a generation of the same thing NOW.  People who show up at our borders waving the flags of their home countries need to be given some lessons in reality that include severe distress, pain, and potential DEATH.

Not just a poem but a beacon for immigrants to follow. It will take many Trumps before that’s changed.

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susieice
15 minutes ago, Captain Risky said:

Yes I know but it’s been the voice of America for such a long time that it might as well be part of your constitution. You built a nation with this credo, became famous for it. This welcome poem has become a beacon to immigrants. Now Trump and others are concerned that too many are coming. America is a victim of its own success.

It also sits yards from Ellis Island. You know what that is, right?

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Captain Risky
46 minutes ago, Lord Harry said:

That ain't the U.S. Constitution. That is about as valid an argument as a law requiring all mountains in the country be spray painted purple due to the lyrics in the song "America the Beautiful."

its in some ways more important. in effect, America has been a sanctuary nation for 400 years. all you had to do in the past was make it to the U.S. be a good resident and then become a citizen. along comes one guy, deciding that a wall needs to be built and America redefined. Trump is trying to institutionalise that change by closing borders. this is the real battle.   

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Just now, susieice said:

It also sits yards from Ellis Island. You know what that is, right?

why do you keep telling me 'you know that right?' i get it.  i got it a long time ago. but thats not the issue. the issue is that i know it and I've never been to America. so it stands to reason that the world everywhere also knows that America is welcoming to immigrants. has been for 400 years. its hard to change that overnight like Trump is trying to do. 

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DarkHunter
1 minute ago, Captain Risky said:

its in some ways more important. in effect, America has been a sanctuary nation for 400 years. all you had to do in the past was make it to the U.S. be a good resident and then become a citizen. along comes one guy, deciding that a wall needs to be built and America redefined. Trump is trying to institutionalise that change by closing borders. this is the real battle.   

That's not true at all, the US has for most of its history had extremely strict immigration policy, for decades no one from a far east asian country was even allowed in, the European immigrants who were let it, assuming they passed health screening and could prove they could support themselves, were capped at letting in 2% of that nationality that was already in the US.

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susieice
Just now, Captain Risky said:

why do you keep telling me 'you know that right?' i get it.  i got it a long time ago. but thats not the issue. the issue is that i know it and I've never been to America. so it stands to reason that the world everywhere also knows that America is welcoming to immigrants. has been for 400 years. its hard to change that overnight like Trump is trying to do. 

It is still open to immigrants. They will just have to come legally. That's all.

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Captain Risky
2 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

That's not true at all, the US has for most of its history had extremely strict immigration policy, for decades no one from a far east asian country was even allowed in, the European immigrants who were let it, assuming they passed health screening and could prove they could support themselves, were capped at letting in 2% of that nationality that was already in the US.

well 44.5 million of your fellow American's are overseas born. factor in the kids of these immigrants and i think you get the picture. another important sat is that the largest ethnic grouping in the U.S. is German. another big one is Irish, Italian, Black, English, Latino and Jewish. for a country that was founded on English speakers it would seem the majority of your nation come from non English speaking backgrounds.  

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-data/u-s-foreign-born-population-swells-to-highest-in-over-a-century-idUSKCN1LT2HZ

 

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13 minutes ago, Captain Risky said:

well 44.5 million of your fellow American's are overseas born. factor in the kids of these immigrants and i think you get the picture. another important sat is that the largest ethnic grouping in the U.S. is German. another big one is Irish, Italian, Black, English, Latino and Jewish. for a country that was founded on English speakers it would seem the majority of your nation come from non English speaking backgrounds.  

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-data/u-s-foreign-born-population-swells-to-highest-in-over-a-century-idUSKCN1LT2HZ

 

The US was founded by the 13 British colonies. Spanish Florida has the oldest settlement in the US. Most of the southern US was Spanish. We expanded as states joined the union. 

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