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Trump threatens to close US-Mexico border

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5 hours ago, bison said:

It will only succeeding in harming the economies of both the United States and Mexico

You assume he doesn't understand this?  Our choice is to enlist help in this venture or use a level of force that would be unseemly, even if justified.  Mexico might just get the message about helping to slow the flow if they begin to hemorrhage, economically.

4 hours ago, Piney said:

Have you ever traveled around Northern Europe? :whistle:

Nah, just Italy and Russia.  And, WE aren't satisfied to be like Northern Europe ;)   Most of the people that were responsible for our best productive years came as a brain-drain from those areas, in part.  Things have gone to hell in a handbasket since the primary source of immigrants became Latin America.  Make of that what you will.  It's the truth.

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Raptor Witness

Mexico isn’t a real country anyway, it’s a de facto province of the United States, and has been since the Spanish Americon War. We should just annex it. After all, who would or could stop U.S.?

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DieChecker
11 hours ago, Captain Risky said:

read an article that 1 in every 6 Salvadorians now lives in the U.S. would it be easier just annexing these regions and making them part of the U.S.?

No way! I only want the ones here who had to run, jump, swim, fight, buy, or sneak, their way in. I only want those here who WANT to be here. 

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DieChecker
3 hours ago, and then said:

...and Russia. 

Russia ehhh.... Comrade? Now we know who is buttering your biscuits.... :D :lol: :rofl:

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Piney
6 hours ago, and then said:

Things have gone to hell in a handbasket since the primary source of immigrants became Latin America.  Make of that what you will.  It's the truth.

The 1/3 of New Jersey that is "Third World" has remained unchanged since the 70s. Actually it's a little less dangerous than it was in the 80s.

 The only difference is the Central and South Americans came for the work, not the welfare. Just like the Koreans did, and they will work their way up and out, Just like the Koreans did. 

 

 

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8 hours ago, Raptor Witness said:

Mexico isn’t a real country anyway, it’s a de facto province of the United States, and has been since the Spanish Americon War. We should just annex it. After all, who would or could stop U.S.?

The Spanish-American war of 1898 was fought between the United States and Spain. Neither had any allies. It was fought over Cuba and the Philippines. Mexico was not involved.

I assume you mean the Mexican-American war of 1846-48. This was concluded in 1848 by the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. This treaty established the current border between the United States and Mexico.

Under the Constitution of the United States, treaties have the full force of law. The president swears to uphold the law and the Constitution when he takes his oath of office. We have no more right to 'annex' Mexico than a bank robber has to rob a bank.   

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Princess Bride
16 hours ago, Piney said:

and we didn't invite none of em! :yes:

That is absolutely not true.

http://nebraskastudies.org/1850-1874/who-were-the-settlers-who-was-daniel-freeman/the-immigrant-experience/

The Homestead Act of 1862 was a major pull that lured immigrants westward. The promise of "free" land proved to be a real inducement to peasants who had to eke out an existence on inadequate land holdings back in Europe. One requirement of the Homestead Act was that you had to be a U.S. citizen; however, you could also qualify by declaring your intention to become a citizen. Some Midwestern areas were anxious to increase their populations and encourage immigration from Europe by publishing pamphlets and newspaper advertisements about the wonderland on the American prairies. Some states like Nebraska even created an Immigration Bureau to "sell the state" to people living in foreign nations.

Also, companies signed up workers and paid their fare over. Before that, there were indentured servants and slaves who had no choice in the matter. The Spanish and French had their own immigration systems and inducements to come here as well. 

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5 hours ago, Piney said:

The 1/3 of New Jersey that is "Third World" has remained unchanged since the 70s. Actually it's a little less dangerous than it was in the 80s.

 The only difference is the Central and South Americans came for the work, not the welfare. Just like the Koreans did, and they will work their way up and out, Just like the Koreans did. 

 

 

I'm glad to hear it.  The % of immigrants doing that these days is much less than 50 years ago because at that time there were almost NO free bennies being given.  If you got in, legal or illegal, you worked or your family starved.  I don't hate brown people or immigrants of any color.  I never have.  I just don't respect anyone that kicks in my door and demands I feed, house, clothe and educate their kids.  #%#@@! them and the river they crossed to get here.  The latest immigrant wave from our friends down south is expected to be around 20,000.  I wonder when our politicians will decide it's a problem?  At 10000 daily?  5 million per year?  This country has room and the vitality to welcome a lot of people but it has neither for millions that don't want to be Americans.  If there were any Romans around today they could tell a story of how guest workers worked out for them.  

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11 minutes ago, and then said:

I'm glad to hear it.  The % of immigrants doing that these days is much less than 50 years ago because at that time there were almost NO free bennies being given.  If you got in, legal or illegal, you worked or your family starved.  I don't hate brown people or immigrants of any color.  I never have.  I just don't respect anyone that kicks in my door and demands I feed, house, clothe and educate their kids.  #%#@@! them and the river they crossed to get here.  The latest immigrant wave from our friends down south is expected to be around 20,000.  I wonder when our politicians will decide it's a problem?  At 10000 daily?  5 million per year?  This country has room and the vitality to welcome a lot of people but it has neither for millions that don't want to be Americans.  If there were any Romans around today they could tell a story of how guest workers worked out for them.  

I never said I liked socialism. I wish the influx will cause it to bite the welfare profiteers in the face. 

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Piney
17 minutes ago, Princess Bride said:

That is absolutely not true.

http://nebraskastudies.org/1850-1874/who-were-the-settlers-who-was-daniel-freeman/the-immigrant-experience/

The Homestead Act of 1862 was a major pull that lured immigrants westward. The promise of "free" land proved to be a real inducement to peasants who had to eke out an existence on inadequate land holdings back in Europe. One requirement of the Homestead Act was that you had to be a U.S. citizen; however, you could also qualify by declaring your intention to become a citizen. Some Midwestern areas were anxious to increase their populations and encourage immigration from Europe by publishing pamphlets and newspaper advertisements about the wonderland on the American prairies. Some states like Nebraska even created an Immigration Bureau to "sell the state" to people living in foreign nations.

Also, companies signed up workers and paid their fare over. Before that, there were indentured servants and slaves who had no choice in the matter. The Spanish and French had their own immigration systems and inducements to come here as well. 

I'm Native American. 6 Nations Delaware to be exact. 

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Piney
18 minutes ago, Princess Bride said:

That is absolutely not true.

I'm talking about Jamestown and the Mayflower if you want specifics. :lol:

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2 minutes ago, Piney said:

I'm talking about Jamestown and the Mayflower if you want specifics. :lol:

Their Royal Charters were their invitation because sadly they didn't respect or care about Native Americans back then. Sorry.

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RoofGardener

Hmmm... close the border ? 

That WOULD be interesting ! 

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Piney
3 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

Hmmm... close the border ? 

That WOULD be interesting ! 

Yeah, especially since there are Native tribes who live and work on both sides and there are ranches and farms on both sides. I'm guessing Monsanto and the King Ranch are going to be slightly upset. 

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Agent0range

Good job, Fox News.

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I guess they'll have to stop poking ze fun at Crazy Eyes Cortez, huh?

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Captain Risky
9 hours ago, DieChecker said:

No way! I only want the ones here who had to run, jump, swim, fight, buy, or sneak, their way in. I only want those here who WANT to be here. 

Ahhh... more olympic gold. ;)

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Big Jim
57 minutes ago, Agent0range said:

Good job, Fox News.

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Just one more example of the shortage of proof readers.  It bugs me when I see so-called professionals make 5th grade mistakes, and I see it a lot.

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Gromdor
1 hour ago, Big Jim said:

Just one more example of the shortage of proof readers.  It bugs me when I see so-called professionals make 5th grade mistakes, and I see it a lot.

Eh, this isn't a proof reading or grammar issue.  It's just a plain old flawed statement.  It might even be deliberate when paired with the threat to close the border with Mexico.

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5 hours ago, bison said:

The Spanish-American war of 1898 was fought between the United States and Spain. Neither had any allies. It was fought over Cuba and the Philippines. Mexico was not involved.

I assume you mean the Mexican-American war of 1846-48. This was concluded in 1848 by the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. This treaty established the current border between the United States and Mexico.

Under the Constitution of the United States, treaties have the full force of law. The president swears to uphold the law and the Constitution when he takes his oath of office. We have no more right to 'annex' Mexico than a bank robber has to rob a bank.   

My Post 52 above was a tongue and cheek comment on how Trump probably views the situation. It was not meant to be taken seriously ... at all.

Looking at Post 68 above, I guess Fox News took it very seriously.

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Big Jim
47 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

Eh, this isn't a proof reading or grammar issue.  It's just a plain old flawed statement.  It might even be deliberate when paired with the threat to close the border with Mexico.

Proof reading isn't just to correct spelling or grammar, it's also to catch mistakes of fact, like this one.  As far I know, Fox News hasn't threatened to close any borders.

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Tatetopa
23 hours ago, and then said:

He's been under constant political attack for two-plus years, he gets mostly cleared of wrongdoing and now he sees they're just shifting to new attacks.  I wonder if it ever occurred to the silly asses that HE just might decide to use his power to counterattack them?  He CAN summarily close the border, Federalize their state guards, flood the zone with dozens of executive actions that they cannot stop through judge shopping, at least not before he damages them substantially.  He actually IS the most powerful person on the planet in many ways.  Once he realizes he's on his own and no one is going to work with him he might well decide to ring everyone's bell for a wake-up call.  If he does, more power to him.  No other president in our history has been so disrespected or as restrained in dealing with his obvious political enemies.  He should go balls out UGLY on them for a change.

Is that how dictators are born, leaving the good of the country in the wings to settle personal vendettas?  

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Tatetopa
3 hours ago, Piney said:

Yeah, especially since there are Native tribes who live and work on both sides and there are ranches and farms on both sides. I'm guessing Monsanto and the King Ranch are going to be slightly upset.

Not to mention all of the automakers with down assembly lines waiting for parts.

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Piney
5 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

Not to mention all of the automakers with down assembly lines waiting for parts.

Your right. Ford has several truck plants in Mexico. 

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Tatetopa
3 hours ago, Agent0range said:

Good job, Fox News.

Now here is some logic I don't totally follow. 

We give money to large corporations in the form of tax breaks, in the hopes that they will provide more jobs.  There were no requirements, no contingencies that they only get the tax break if they do provide jobs.  Just a reward in the hopes they will be nice to us and help us out a little.

Now when much less money is involved, we give Central American countries  no money because we want them to do something and they haven't.  We could have made the aid contingent on stopping the exodus of citizens from their countries.  Balls out ugly I guess.

Bad dog training.  Punish one dog because he doesn't do what you want, reward another dog because maybe in the future he will do what you want.

 

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