Comedian front-runner in Ukrainian Elections

[spartan max2]

7 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

 Have you got no shame?

Your Trump... no, not him personally, he couldn't organize a fart... those who own Trump should pay for some provocateurs if they want some imaginary Antifa to scare the simplest among the Trumper herd. 

There's no aggressive Antifa except in the heads of American wannabe Nazis who really want 'both sides bad'. Because if the neo-Nazi Trumpers are committing acts of violence, it has to be the same among sane people, right? Wrong. Because sane people are sane, unlike you. 

Antifa, you morons, is short for anti-fascist. If you think they're against you, it means you actually do think you're fascist.

 

One more time, for you and those who pay you: 

 

 

Tell me again how scared you are of anti-fascism, you sad sack of paid, truly fascist propaganda. 

Just because a movement calls themselves antifascist dosent mean they are antifascist....

History is full of nice sounding names for bad things. 

The national socialist German workers party, the United socialist states of Russia. The people's republic of china. 

[aztek]

2 hours ago, RabidMongoose said:

The Eastern European posters here sure live in a strange terrifying world.

I suppose its because they lived behind the Iron Curtain. Thats why their views, particularly of Trump, are alien to us Westerners.

*snip*

it has 0 to do with living behind the curtain, my wife side of the family is from ussr, they are very anti socialism, and pro trump, cuz he stands against anything socialist, and pretty much 95% of ex soviets i know are for trump, not for what he is , but for what he is not,

*snip*

Edited August 27, 2019 by Kismit
personel attacks removed

[Helen of Annoy]

@aztek @spartan max2

Antifa does not exist as an actual organisation - not anymore.

Today, Antifa is a sentiment, a general stance of each individual that they do not accept fascism. 

 

Everyone willing to hide their neighbours when fascists come to imprison or murder them just because of their skin colour, religion or ethnicity, is an Antifa. 

Everyone determined not to vote for openly fascist wannabe dictators, who spew racial, religious and ethnic intolerance is an Antifa. 

There's no membership, fees or leaders. Just sane people who reject fascism. 

 

If a violent provocateur is claiming to be Antifa, there are only two options: either the moron has completely misunderstood what anti-fascism means, either the moron was paid by the fascists.

 

While the subject of anti-fascism can be controversial in certain European countries with complex history, it is outright bizarre for any American to spit on their country's very clear and consistent historic anti-fascism. 

 

One of the unspeakably horrible damages Trump did is this desperate attempt to invent some organised, violent 'left' to serve as the proof the both sides are bad. They're not. Objectively, the US today has huge problem with extreme, xenophobic right and the individual mass shooters whose terrorist acts were inspired, by their own admission, with Trump's bizarrely racist and panicky rhetoric.

 

Do not attack your neighbour because of the racist word salads of an desperate fraudster.         

[Phaeton80]

16 hours ago, RabidMongoose said:

The Eastern European posters here sure live in a strange terrifying world.

I suppose its because they lived behind the Iron Curtain. Thats why their views, particularly of Trump, are alien to us Westerners.

Erm.. no.

They are only alien to Trump supporters, which I see as a direct threat to me, mine and the human race (nothing personal [Im not sure if youre a supporter or not], but if you defend this kind of stupid, and believe in his anti establishment 'make US great again' mantra, youre a liability to all of us).

 

Edited August 28, 2019 by Phaeton80

[Duke Wellington]

2 minutes ago, Phaeton80 said:

Erm.. no.

They are only alien to Trump supporters, which I see as a direct threat to me, mine and the human race (nothing personal [Im not sure if you`re a supporter or not], but if you defend this kind of stupid, and believe in his anti establishment 'make US great again' mantra, you`re a liability to all of us).

Are you led by your emotions or something?

Lets think about this logically instead. Trump has done well over the last three years and no threat to world peace has materialised. In fact, not even the slightest hint of it. He should be nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize for North Korea and I suspect something will be worked out with Iran too.

When I then read claims that he is a direct threat to you or the human race it makes me think that you are.... well I dont mean this nastily... but it leaves me thinking that you are a crazy. There is simply no other way for me to reconcile your opinions of Trump with reality.

Do you believe things are true if you feel strongly about them? 

Do you question and investigate when the media claim Trump has said something to find out if he actually did? Like watching the relevant speech on YouTube?

Do you automatically believe in left-wing narrative because you are left-wing?

[Phaeton80]

Allright, maybe you and me are living in different dimensions.. But where I live, the world has never been so unstable, so close to a WWIII, as well as on the brink of an economic downfall.. (and thats not even touching upon the state of the States herself).

The US, and Trump in particular, have been playing a significant role in these developments (understatement). I have heard this man state things that are so unimaginably up side down, so untrue and tendentious it makes you confused as to break out in uncontrollable laughter or.. well.. be a very sad panda.

Besides apparantly missing all these rather straightforward observations, you deem it fit to conclude all manner of things about my person; how I process information, form my opinion, additionally supposing I am left wing. Because if I dont agree with you, if I dont think Trump is great, fighting the good fight against the establishment.. I must be one of those 'left wing liberal confirmation bias wielding crazies'.

Insightful reaction, thank you.

 

 

[Duke Wellington]

3 hours ago, Phaeton80 said:

Allright, maybe you and me are living in different dimensions.. But where I live, the world has never been so unstable, so close to a WWIII, as well as on the brink of an economic downfall.. (and thats not even touching upon the state of the States herself).

The US, and Trump in particular, have been playing a significant role in these developments (understatement). I have heard this man state things that are so unimaginably up side down, so untrue and tendentious it makes you confused as to break out in uncontrollable laughter or.. well.. be a very sad panda.

Besides apparantly missing all these rather straightforward observations, you deem it fit to conclude all manner of things about my person; how I process information, form my opinion, additionally supposing I am left wing. Because if I dont agree with you, if I dont think Trump is great, fighting the good fight against the establishment.. I must be one of those 'left wing liberal confirmation bias wielding crazies'.

Insightful reaction, thank you.

Well give us some examples.

[Coil]

Yesterday in Ukraine, the Prime Minister, other ministers and parliamentary committees were elected. Also, parliamentary immunity was removed(the third of September needs to be finally fixed in the law)
but the opposition threatens to sue. Poroshenko also spoke and apparently afraid for himself.

 

Spoiler

 

 

Edited August 30, 2019 by Coil

[Helen of Annoy]

56 minutes ago, Coil said:

Yesterday in Ukraine, the Prime Minister, other ministers and parliamentary committees were elected. Also, parliamentary immunity was removed(the third of September needs to be finally fixed in the law)
but the opposition threatens to sue. Poroshenko also spoke and apparently afraid for himself.

 

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And the exchange of prisoners is in progress! 

[Coil]

On 8/30/2019 at 11:23 AM, Helen of Annoy said:

And the exchange of prisoners is in progress! 

 

Not so simple:

Russia is delaying the exchange of prisoners, and provokes an information wave in order to push the Ukrainian authorities to a formula of exchange that is advantageous for itself. This opinion was expressed on Facebook by journalist Yuri Butusov.

"The fact is that Putin is demanding the extradition of Vladimir Tsemakh, the commander of a company of mercenaries in Snezhnoye in 2014, who is one of the suspects in the investigation into the death of the Boeing MN-17," he wrote.

The journalist recalled that on June 26, Tsemakh was abducted by Ukrainian special services from Snezhnoye.

“He was abducted with great risk to life, during the most complicated operation and transported  through Russian security services checkpoints and cordons, because Zemakh was identified as an important witness of the investigation, who earlier said in an interview that he was involved in the destruction of the aircraft. Zemakh is one of the main goals of the prosecutor’s office The Netherlands. It was the desire to take Zemakh and frustrate the investigation that made Putin go to negotiations on the release of prisoners, "Butusov added."

The court needs not only the conclusions of experts, but also witnesses. And Zemakh can talk if he is taken to the Netherlands and receives asylum guarantees. His extradition to the Netherlands is fundamental for investigators, which is why it is so important for Russia to strike an investigation and shift the responsibility to Ukraine. If Ukraine exempts Zemakh, we will receive claims from the Netherlands that a key investigation was thwarted through our fault and Ukraine helps Russia evade responsibility. Moreover, EU sanctions were introduced after the Russian Federation brought down a Boeing. And it’s in our interests that these sanctions be a negotiating position when discussing the new version of the Minsk agreements. EU sanctions are a powerful lever to force Putin, in principle, to agree on something with us in the future, " - the journalist wrote.

https://www.segodnya.ua/ukraine/cena-voprosa-ochen-vysoka-zhurnalist-obyasnil-pochemu-putin-sorval-obmen-plennymi-1323682.html

[Coil]

Today, deputies confirmed the removal of parliamentary immunity.
373 votes in favor and did not vote from the opposition-separatists -27 people. Finally, at least something that the people wanted was realized.

Spoiler

Also, the deputies were handed out versions of laws that should be adopted on time.

By the end of the year they want to lift a moratorium on the sale of land, develop a land law and preferences for Ukrainian farmers and next summer launch a sale of land since there is a lot of land without owners or people just do not live in the village or inherit it from their parents.

Now the price per hectare is somewhere between 1.5-2.5 thousand usd but there is land more expensive depending on the region.

 

Edited September 3, 2019 by Coil

[bmk1245]

On 9/3/2019 at 1:05 PM, Coil said:

[...]
By the end of the year they want to lift a moratorium on the sale of land, develop a land law and preferences for Ukrainian farmers and next summer launch a sale of land since there is a lot of land without owners or people just do not live in the village or inherit it from their parents.

Now the price per hectare is somewhere between 1.5-2.5 thousand usd but there is land more expensive depending on the region.

 

Lifting moratorium on the sale of land is a good thing, but the law should be worded very carefully, cause there is a danger of oligarchs from eastern neighbours (Kremlin puppets) buying out large swathes of Ukrainian land.

[bmk1245]

On 8/28/2019 at 12:04 AM, RabidMongoose said:

The Eastern European posters here sure live in a strange terrifying world.

I suppose its because they lived behind the Iron Curtain. Thats why their views, particularly of Trump, are alien to us Westerners.

Ukraine lived in non-terrifying world until 2014. Sakartvelo (Georgia) lived in more or less in non-terrifying world until 2008. Yeah, ruSSian federastion occupied lands of their neighbours, big deal, right?!

As for Trump... He tries to bring that $#!+ fascistic state back to G8. How that kind of stuff "lets talk" worked out before WWII? Right, assault on Europe. And who were the best friends of Hitler during 1939-1941? USSR, with the last freight train with the goods leaving to Germany on the night of June 21/22, 1941. Nowadays RuSSia is the same as Germany back in 1930's.

[bmk1245]

On 9/3/2019 at 1:05 PM, Coil said:

[...]

So, Coil, how you will comment Ze:

"I wanted to tell you about the prosecutor. First of all I understand I'm knowledgeable.about the situation. Since we have won the absolute majority in our Parliament, the next prosecutor general will be 100% my person, my candidate, who will be approved, by the parliament and will start.as a new prosecutor in September. "

Have you expected that?! Did you voted for THAT?!

[aztek]

10 hours ago, bmk1245 said:

So, Coil, how you will comment Ze:

"I wanted to tell you about the prosecutor. First of all I understand I'm knowledgeable.about the situation. Since we have won the absolute majority in our Parliament, the next prosecutor general will be 100% my person, my candidate, who will be approved, by the parliament and will start.as a new prosecutor in September. "

Have you expected that?! Did you voted for THAT?!

well in theory, if the people consider Ze; 100% their guy, anyone who is 100% his guy will be their guy as well, that is exactly what they voted for, but we know better, it does not work like that in real world.

[bmk1245]

9 minutes ago, aztek said:

/ell in theory, if the people consider Ze; 100% their guy, anyone who is 100% his guy will be their guy as well, that is exactly what they voted for, but we know better, it does not work like that in real world.

Well, from what I gathered, majority voted against Poroshenko, not for Ze.

[bmk1245]

UM, c'mon...

Edited October 5, 2019 by bmk1245

[bmk1245]

On 9/3/2019 at 1:05 PM, Coil said:

[...]

Have you voted for Ze?

So, what is Steinmeier formula?

[Coil]

On 9/28/2019 at 7:41 PM, bmk1245 said:

So, Coil, how you will comment Ze:

"I wanted to tell you about the prosecutor. First of all I understand I'm knowledgeable.about the situation. Since we have won the absolute majority in our Parliament, the next prosecutor general will be 100% my person, my candidate, who will be approved, by the parliament and will start.as a new prosecutor in September. "

Have you expected that?! Did you voted for THAT?!

n our country, each president nominates his attorney general and it is clear that this will not be a person far from the president’s plans.
And what's the difference whose person it is if only he did his job. Moreover, the people you know are always better than the people you don't know.
Zelensky had a lot of questions during his press conference and it is clear that all of these clerks-officials who have taken power are not doing their job well enough and everyone is waiting for the president to solve everything.

But all these prosecutor generals were afraid to put politicians in jail because they were afraid that after leaving the president, politicians would fall for them, so they prefer to create the appearance of work so that the opposition does not arrange a revolution-coup.
But you need to go to jail in bundles of corrupt politicians, judges, prosecutors, businessmen, etc. Put in jail and confiscate the looted property. But there is no courageous and fearless prosecutor general. Even Zelensky said, "I thought that on the second day we would put them in jail," but for some reason it doesn’t work out!

At least, if the Prosecutor General is “his own person”, then let Zelensky be personally responsible for everything.

 

On 10/5/2019 at 6:42 PM, bmk1245 said:

Have you voted for Ze?

So, what is Steinmeier formula?

 

As I understand it, this is the withdrawal of military forces to the agreed positions and the holding of elections in the Donbass as agreed upon in the text of the Minsk agreements. This point on the conduct of elections is the most controversial as it all looks so that we agree to the elections according to their scheme and it is not known whether Ukrainian parties will be present there and the experience of parliamentary elections shows that all their people voted for the opposition party, so it turns out that we agree to play the scenario of the separatists and here the bomb is laid in the Minsk agreements of 2014.

The problem of Ukraine is that without Russia, nothing can be solved, and if they do not agree to something, we cannot oppose anything. There are two ways: diplomatic and military. We cannot attack because there will be big losses and the resumption of war, and the diplomatic path did not lead to the liberation of territories and the punishment of Russia through sanctions. So power is at an impasse that nothing can be done.

The woman’s deputy from the Poroshenko party reproached Zelensky that there should be a “Ukrainian formula” but there is no formula for Transnistria, Syria, Abkhazia and Ossetia where Russia is hosting, so there is no answer how everything should be. And if such a “Ukrainian formula” were why it wasn’t Poroshenko took advantage of the power ...

(From Ukraine to the occupied territories, people drag bags full of food and sausages because there is nothing there but they continue to vote for the separatists. Here he is the people of Donbass.The traitorous people that we must support and pay them pensions and everything else.)

 

 

 

[Coil]

The first reading adopted a law on the sale of land and it allows the purchase of land only to Ukrainians but Ukrainian oligarchs and latifundists can buy large areas of land (you can buy up to 15% of the area's land) as there is no competition and the development of small-scale farming in Ukraine will not be as in law there are no restrictions as abroad in 400-500 hectares.

I like for the sale of land, but I want the law on the land market to be aimed at the development of farming and not a banal purchase of land with the lowest selling price.The bad thing is that Zelensky cannot receive letters, all the addresses are blocked, apparently, a flurry of critics fell or something else happened.