Comedian front-runner in Ukrainian Elections

[Unusual Tournament]

On 4/2/2019 at 6:13 AM, aztek said:

he  made his career on making fun of politicians and showing how corrupt\useless they are, will see what he will become, imo more than likely he will become exactly the same as those he made fun of.

well aztec the way i see it the only positive impact that this new guy could have is to lay the foundations for Ukraine to be a truely democratic and a free market economy. there will not be any quick fix or happiness for the people of Ukraine. he'll have to come to an arrangement with Putin to stop Russia destabilising Ukraine. anything else and he'll just be perpetuating the corruption he campaigned against. not an enviable task. 

[Coil]

Poroshenko was so unpopular that he won only in one region and all the others voted for Zelenskiy:
https://www.cvk.gov.ua/pls/vp2019/wp301pt001f01=720.html

I was afraid that at the  debate Zelenskiy  would not be good to answer but he adequately answered Poroshenko and asked him questions from which the president’s face twisted. Poroshenko did not directly answer a single question that people actually asked through Zelenskiy.
The last three weeks before the elections Poroshenko lowered his rating even more with a short clip where Zelenskiy was knocked down by a truck and showed drugs allegedly used by Zelenskiy. And people suddenly realized that Poroshenko was in fact even worse than he had been thought of before. His political expert even joked that Notre Dame caught fire after Zelensky met in France with Macron and  had to apologize to the French for his words.  An Israeli political technologist was working for Poroshenko and now denies having worked for him because he does not want to harm his reputation. Zelenskiy even created a black PR website from Poroshenko, as there was a lot of such agitation:
https://blackpp.tech/

Among the members of the team of Vladimir Zelenskiy there are both technocrats and representatives of “big business”. The experts divided them into four groups and gave them half a year before the first wave of resignations, the newspaper Vesti writes in its material.

https://ubr.ua/ukraine-and-world/power/komande-zelenskoho-dali-polhoda-3882115

[bmk1245]

Few days passed and what Ukraine gets? Zebots, please elaborate the deeds of your elect?

[Helen of Annoy]

 

On 4/22/2019 at 10:25 AM, Coil said:

Poroshenko was so unpopular that he won only in one region and all the others voted for Zelenskiy:
https://www.cvk.gov.ua/pls/vp2019/wp301pt001f01=720.html

I was afraid that at the  debate Zelenskiy  would not be good to answer but he adequately answered Poroshenko and asked him questions from which the president’s face twisted. Poroshenko did not directly answer a single question that people actually asked through Zelenskiy.
The last three weeks before the elections Poroshenko lowered his rating even more with a short clip where Zelenskiy was knocked down by a truck and showed drugs allegedly used by Zelenskiy. And people suddenly realized that Poroshenko was in fact even worse than he had been thought of before. His political expert even joked that Notre Dame caught fire after Zelensky met in France with Macron and  had to apologize to the French for his words.  An Israeli political technologist was working for Poroshenko and now denies having worked for him because he does not want to harm his reputation. Zelenskiy even created a black PR website from Poroshenko, as there was a lot of such agitation:
https://blackpp.tech/

Among the members of the team of Vladimir Zelenskiy there are both technocrats and representatives of “big business”. The experts divided them into four groups and gave them half a year before the first wave of resignations, the newspaper Vesti writes in its material.

https://ubr.ua/ukraine-and-world/power/komande-zelenskoho-dali-polhoda-3882115

Congratulations  

May the changes you want and need really do happen.  

 

On 4/24/2019 at 2:16 PM, bmk1245 said:

Few days passed and what Ukraine gets? Zebots, please elaborate the deeds of your elect?

Hey, the guy wasn't sworn in yet.

[Coil]

On 4/26/2019 at 11:03 PM, Helen of Annoy said:

 

Congratulations  

May the changes you want and need really do happen. 

Thank you, now Putin has started issuing passports to the captured regions, so Ukraine has problems. The UN resolutions on the occupation of the Crimea and the Donbass are advisory in nature and do not help the liberation of Ukraine and the Russians frankly laugh in the face knowing that they will have nothing.
We need to enter peacekeeping troops on the border with Russia because under the guise of humanitarian aid they deliver ammunition for militants and if there is no supply of weapons, our troops would defeat and disarm them together with international forces.

I wrote but I don’t know if you are interested in the situation in Ukraine or only in elections. As long as nobody knows how Zelenskiy will act but as one social expert said, he doesn’t want to disclose his action plan before being appointed to the presidency. So far, in parliamentary conversations, they wanted to reduce his powers and make a law on impeachment but the matter has not moved yet, although there are various forces that are just waiting to pounce on Zelenskiy and crave revenge if he makes some mistake so that his words are carefully monitored and in Russia too.

We will have parliamentary elections in October so it is not known what alignment will be pro-presidential or oppositional parliament.

[Helen of Annoy]

2 hours ago, Coil said:

Thank you, now Putin has started issuing passports to the captured regions, so Ukraine has problems. The UN resolutions on the occupation of the Crimea and the Donbass are advisory in nature and do not help the liberation of Ukraine and the Russians frankly laugh in the face knowing that they will have nothing.
We need to enter peacekeeping troops on the border with Russia because under the guise of humanitarian aid they deliver ammunition for militants and if there is no supply of weapons, our troops would defeat and disarm them together with international forces.

I wrote but I don’t know if you are interested in the situation in Ukraine or only in elections. As long as nobody knows how Zelenskiy will act but as one social expert said, he doesn’t want to disclose his action plan before being appointed to the presidency. So far, in parliamentary conversations, they wanted to reduce his powers and make a law on impeachment but the matter has not moved yet, although there are various forces that are just waiting to pounce on Zelenskiy and crave revenge if he makes some mistake so that his words are carefully monitored and in Russia too.

We will have parliamentary elections in October so it is not known what alignment will be pro-presidential or oppositional parliament.

I'm very interested in the situation in Ukraine. Not just because I'm aware how important it is for us all, but also because I see so many similarities between our countries - only yours is much bigger, of course.

For example, Russian occupation of Crimea and Donbas is almost identical, in my opinion, to the situation Croatia had with Serbian occupation of Croatian Eastern Slavonia and Knin region. Croatia was pro-Western and pro-European, while Serbia was pro-Russian.

At first it was 'only' 'our' war, then, few years later, UN actually did something, sent observers and peacekeepers - we joked a lot with that, morbidly - and they actually made some difference, it wasn't quite the same to bomb civilians only or accidentally blow up an observer or ten of them. Of course, they couldn't actually liberate anything, these UN forces were more like a useful obstacle in the whole mess. 

 

I read a little about that Putin's idea with passports. Obviously, it was meant to Russify parts of Ukraine. Yeah, well, it will certainly create confusion, expenses and problems for common people, as it is usual, but it can't change internationally recognized borders. Russia will be able to claim they have certain number of Russian citizens living in Ukraine and that's it. It might even backfire, because so far they could b**** and moan about their minority, now they'll make that minority citizens of another country and I'm not sure why they think a foreigner will have more influence than the actual citizens. 

Anyway, it will be more than interesting to hear what are Zelenskiy's plans. It's little worrying, to be honest, that there's apparent secrecy about that.  

[aztek]

zelenski is in the same boat as trump, almost entire corrupt gvmnt machine is against him. will see how he'll come out of it. i wish him all the best, but the odds are low.

 

[MWoo7]

How many Zelenski Zelansky ?oh and even both  Zelenskiy    .... Zelensky(s) are there?  I mean the spellings are endless.

Anyway he'll never be as bad as Yukki / YUCK !

"Yanukovych fled Ukraine in February 2014 after bloody confrontations between his security forces and pro-democracy protesters killed over 100 of his citizens, and has lived in exile in Russia ever since. The extent of the damage he wrought on the Ukrainian people and their economy is still unknown. Ukraine’s chief prosecutor has accused him of fleeing with some $32 billion "

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/the-dirty-dozen-12-people-who-ruined-ukraine/

Edited May 2, 2019 by MWoo7

[Helen of Annoy]

40 minutes ago, aztek said:

zelenski is in the same boat as trump, almost entire corrupt gvmnt machine is against him. will see how he'll come out of it. i wish him all the best, but the odds are low.

 

So you wish to embarrass yourself with claiming you're so brainwashed you actually believe Trump, of all grifters, is fighting against corruption?  

It's true that he's not accepted by the professional politicians and diplomats, but that's because he's an imbecile, not because he has honest intentions. 

 

Never mind the real life moral story that is happening to the US right now, there's this another detail regarding Ukraine that worries me: you are always trolling for Putin or his assets, so if you're trolling for Zelenskiy, does that mean your employers are trying to cast some doubt on Zelenskiy's loyalty?  

That won't be enough. I can't believe you run out of ideas. Not you personally, of course, those who give you the script. They're waiting for the action plan too, huh? Well, understandable.

[aztek]

5 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

So you wish to embarrass yourself with claiming you're so brainwashed you actually believe Trump, of all grifters, is fighting against corruption?  

It's true that he's not accepted by the professional politicians and diplomats, but that's because he's an imbecile, not because he has honest intentions. 

 

Never mind the real life moral story that is happening to the US right now, there's this another detail regarding Ukraine that worries me: you are always trolling for Putin or his assets, so if you're trolling for Zelenskiy, does that mean your employers are trying to cast some doubt on Zelenskiy's loyalty?  

That won't be enough. I can't believe you run out of ideas. Not you personally, of course, those who give you the script. They're waiting for the action plan too, huh? Well, understandable.

you need professional help

http://en.ups-spa.org/

[Helen of Annoy]

46 minutes ago, aztek said:

you need professional help

Absolutely, but that's my problem. 

While your problem is that instead of arguments, all you've got is desperate tactic of claiming people who don't buy into your propaganda are insane. Which would be literally every president, prime-minister, diplomat except few Putin's dingleberries. 

 

Now, all you can achieve is another thread locked but your dingleberries are still going to the landfill of history.  

 

So, do you have any thoughts on topic, by some miracle?

[aztek]

Just now, Helen of Annoy said:

Absolutely, but that's my problem. 

While your problem is that instead of arguments, all you've got is desperate tactic of claiming people who don't buy into your propaganda are insane. Which would be literally every president, prime-minister, diplomat except few Putin's dingleberries. 

 

Now, all you can achieve is another thread locked but your dingleberries are still going to the landfill of history.  

 

So, do you have any thoughts on topic, by some miracle?

no, sorry hellen,  i do not want aggravate your problem.  my Kremlin scriptwriters forbid me to  do anything that can worsen your health, they like your posts, 

[Helen of Annoy]

18 hours ago, aztek said:

no, sorry hellen,  i do not want aggravate your problem.  my Kremlin scriptwriters forbid me to  do anything that can worsen your health, they like your posts, 

While I'm almost sorry you surrendered so fast and so pitifully 

[odas]

20 hours ago, aztek said:

zelenski is in the same boat as trump, almost entire corrupt gvmnt machine is against him. will see how he'll come out of it. i wish him all the best, but the odds are low.

 

No comparison at all. One is a very popular, hard working, honest individual and the other is - Trump.

[MWoo7]

Okay so maybe the last Hebrew/Israeli left alive there can save everyone. And how did a brassy Trumpet ? get ah ? oh well its you're story I guess, year of the pig and all that- so anything can happen, wide open-- oh that's 2020 my off rhetoric/propa/mistake.  Back to the savior: Maybe they are blessed but before that happens someone needs to say how his name is going to be spelled for the books and tomes of the future and I quote OH! myself " ... Zelenski Zelansky ?oh and even both  Zelenskiy    ... the spellings are endless. "

No reply necessary busy and all that but maybe with luck when I stop by, the name bit will be resolved okay! a wrap so laterzzzzzzzzz

Edited May 3, 2019 by MWoo7

[Helen of Annoy]

 

2 hours ago, MWoo7 said:

Okay so maybe the last Hebrew/Israeli left alive there can save everyone. And how did a brassy Trumpet ? get ah ? oh well its you're story I guess, year of the pig and all that- so anything can happen, wide open-- oh that's 2020 my off rhetoric/propa/mistake.  Back to the savior: Maybe they are blessed but before that happens someone needs to say how his name is going to be spelled for the books and tomes of the future and I quote OH! myself " ... Zelenski Zelansky ?oh and even both  Zelenskiy    ... the spellings are endless. "

No reply necessary busy and all that but maybe with luck when I stop by, the name bit will be resolved okay! a wrap so laterzzzzzzzzz

Володимир Олександрович Зеленський. 

I hope that resolves it for you. 

 

Now you resolve something for me: Why Hebrew or Israeli? Having Jewish parents indicates your family's religion, not necessarily Hebrew ancestry or Israeli citizenship.

Also, he was elected a president, not a pope, so why is his possible religious affiliation important to you? I said 'possible' because I don't remember him flaunting his religion or lack of it. 

 

[MWoo7]

4 hours ago, Helen of Annoy said:

Володимир Олександрович Зеленський. 

I hope that resolves it for you.

 So that's how his name is spelled, "Володимир Олександрович Зеленський." , all resolved great. Oh crystal clear. Okay, at least I now know I missed another way to spell that name: Zelenskȳĭ .... eh its a slow Friday, oh Happy Friday by the way.

Actually something I'd read some of the last Jewish left alive there today.  I'd fired that Hebrew Israeli in to see what would happen, I know I've had some discussions for like ever how Jews from 12 tribes Juden/Judah on and on and on are suppose to be only called Jews, so naturally I simply love bringing it up from time to time when I can, reminds me like other religions changing titles etc.  No biggy. Got some reaction though.  Didn't I say no reply? and that was triple insurance a reply would come back I love fishing its great hahaaLaterzzz oh lastly and I'm sure everyone would agree:  This kid has to be better than previous ones.

Edited May 3, 2019 by MWoo7

[Helen of Annoy]

8 hours ago, MWoo7 said:

 So that's how his name is spelled, "Володимир Олександрович Зеленський." , all resolved great. Oh crystal clear. Okay, at least I now know I missed another way to spell that name: Zelenskȳĭ .... eh its a slow Friday, oh Happy Friday by the way.

Actually something I'd read some of the last Jewish left alive there today.  I'd fired that Hebrew Israeli in to see what would happen, I know I've had some discussions for like ever how Jews from 12 tribes Juden/Judah on and on and on are suppose to be only called Jews, so naturally I simply love bringing it up from time to time when I can, reminds me like other religions changing titles etc.  No biggy. Got some reaction though.  Didn't I say no reply? and that was triple insurance a reply would come back I love fishing its great hahaaLaterzzz oh lastly and I'm sure everyone would agree:  This kid has to be better than previous ones.

Oh, giggles, giggles, how completely natural and not at all an awkward attempt to slip some agenda in the thread. 

Well, if 'but he's a Jew, you know' is the best you've got, you're rather desperate. Good.   

[bmk1245]

On 4/26/2019 at 11:03 PM, Helen of Annoy said:

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Hey, the guy wasn't sworn in yet.

I know, I know, yet his staff already declared that there will be no tax cuts (as zebots expected) right next day)))

Anyway, Ze (or whoever's behind him) made quite strong reply to putler's intentions to give russian citizenship to citizens of Ukraine.

[bmk1245]

On 5/2/2019 at 10:53 PM, aztek said:

zelenski is in the same boat as trump, almost entire corrupt gvmnt machine is against him. will see how he'll come out of it. i wish him all the best, but the odds are low.

 

Where do you put Kolomoiskij? Corrupt nongvmnt machine, or smthng else? Just out of curiosity.

[MWoo7]

10 hours ago, Helen of Annoy said:

Well, if 'but he's a Jew, you know' is the best you've got, you're rather desperate. Good.   

    Hmmm and what?!!? not even close.  On that last sentence ha! not even, I didn't say that, I said isn't it interesting how there are hardly any left there and its quite an interesting no amazing fact! that now one will be the president in that specific area where pretty much by Russia and other's most jewish families had moved out. Sheeze that's like trying to discuss history but its impossible if there are coloured people in the auditorium as they only see and hear in a selective way, amazing.  Again no reply necessary.

Edited May 4, 2019 by MWoo7
added one more !

[bmk1245]

24 minutes ago, MWoo7 said:

    Hmmm and what?!!? not even close.  On that last sentence ha! not even, I didn't say that, I said isn't it interesting how there are hardly any left there and its quite an interesting no amazing fact! that now one will be the president in that specific area where pretty much by Russia and other's most jewish families had moved out. Sheeze that's like trying to discuss history but its impossible if there are coloured people in the auditorium as they only see and hear in a selective way, amazing.  Again no reply necessary.

Dat haz not event closed. Fershteined?

[Helen of Annoy]

1 hour ago, MWoo7 said:

    Hmmm and what?!!? not even close.  On that last sentence ha! not even, I didn't say that, I said isn't it interesting how there are hardly any left there and its quite an interesting no amazing fact! that now one will be the president in that specific area where pretty much by Russia and other's most jewish families had moved out. Sheeze that's like trying to discuss history but its impossible if there are coloured people in the auditorium as they only see and hear in a selective way, amazing.  Again no reply necessary.

I don't do just that, what is necessary. Sometimes I have fun too, you know.

 

So, you dropped by and informed us, oh, so cheerfully, that Zelenskiy is a Jew. Like it matters.

Well, as long as a politician is not an idiot who would introduce a theocracy of any flavour, their religion is a private matter.  

 

Now you're complaining that it's impossible to discuss history in front of black people. Well, serve you right for obviously having alternative history to discuss, which makes blacks protest against it. And it's not hard to understand why, hell, I'm protesting against it! Keep your history objectively real and you'll have confidence to discuss it. Even in front of those mean blacks who rather wouldn't listen how yuuuge favour was done to them by slave owners. 

(By the way, I'm proud of my race and heritage, which means I can - I must, in fact - face its faults too. Whoever is teaching you to choose more comfortable alternative to the truth - it's still called lying in the non-alternative reality - is destroying us and our traditions, that were never cowardly. This recent snowflakery of American alt-right is an outright insult to the white race. Stop b****ing and moaning and lead by example. Or stop insisting on your whiteness while whining, you're embarrassing the rest of us.)  

 

Back on topic and the topic is the new Ukrainian president. 

From the little I've read about him, he seems loyal to his country, fairly progressive and I actually like the common sense approach he has.     

From the trolling I've seen here and in my part of the Internet world, it's clear that Russia is not pleased with him at all, but apparently has no real dirt on him, so they're clinging to the 'oh, but he's a Jew' shtick. Because there's shortage of Jews among Putin's oligarchs  

It will be most interesting to see how much Zelenskiy can do for his country.

(Of course I'm too old to actually expect much from any political option, but I'm trying to allow myself some hope.) 

[MWoo7]

  Okay,

((((((eeeehemails coming in.. this will be quick),

I have to say,

... well, I was going to say surprised, but then again I don't know you and what I do, eeeeh quite eh savvy and quick eh! I suppose shouldn't be jolted/shocked.

Thanks for being cordial.

Edited May 4, 2019 by MWoo7
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[Coil]

On 5/2/2019 at 10:30 PM, Helen of Annoy said:

I read a little about that Putin's idea with passports. Obviously, it was meant to Russify parts of Ukraine. Yeah, well, it will certainly create confusion, expenses and problems for common people, as it is usual, but it can't change internationally recognized borders. Russia will be able to claim they have certain number of Russian citizens living in Ukraine and that's it.

Anyway, it will be more than interesting to hear what are Zelenskiy's plans. It's little worrying, to be honest, that there's apparent secrecy about that.  

Putin wants to turn the Donbass into a pro-Russian region, so passporting is part of his plan. In Crimea, most of the population was pro-Russian, and this led to the seizure of the region, a referendum and joining Russia. Russian passports are also available in Transdniestria and South Ossetia, which are controlled by Russia, so in Ukraine it works out the same scenario. There is also an official motive to send troops at the right time to protect the population.

In response to the issuance of passports, Zelensky said that he was also not against issuing passports to Russians affected by the Putin regime  and Putin immediately supported the idea that citizens of Ukraine will have two passports and this will bring our peoples closer.

Western Ukrainians have Hungarian passports and this created a conflict because according to our law, a person has only Ukrainian citizenship but in Europe we were told not to oppress such citizens and then the authorities began to change their minds and this situation helped Putin so much as he saw that dual citizenship is no longer controversial and decided to introduce this in the Donbas but the situation here is different as Russia is an invader country.

Zelensky himself says that he is preparing several reciprocal steps to passport actions and at the moment, voices are heard from the authorities about depriving the Ukrainian citizenship of those citizens of the seized republics who will take Russian citizenship but experts see a threat that the region will then become truly pro-Russian.

Initially, Putin’s plan was to seize the Ukrainian territories (Novorossia’s plan) but they managed to capture only half of the two regions. Red marked areas to capture:

Spoiler

The inauguration date May 19 is also being discussed but on this day falls the date of the Day of memory of victims of repression and the Day of Europe in Ukraine, so it turns out a controversial date (apparently, this date was not chosen Zelenskiy by chance, since last month this number held a debate at the stadium and there Zelensky beat Poroshenko)

Now a wave of discontent has risen after the words of Kolomoisky that in the Donbas "civil conflict". Zelenskiy also wants to move the presidential administration somewhere far away from the center as the presidential motorcade stops traffic in the city center.

In the meantime, it seems to me that the ukrainian government is losing time without responding with some countermeasures for issuing passports because Poroshenko does not want to help Zelenskiy, and our parliament is also involved in unimportant laws.

The bad news is that fighting against Russia is like fighting against America: you cannot win with war but there is no success with diplomatic and political means.

Here is an article of pro-Poroshenko journalist about  Putin’s plans under the new president:

Spoiler

The opening of the first center in the Rostov region of the Russian Federation, in which Russian passports will be issued to residents of the occupied districts of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions, is a good confirmation that in its confrontation with the new Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelenskiy, the Kremlin is going to proceed to real action. Putin will not be just joking. And everyone who thinks about the situation in Ukraine after the change of power should understand this.
 It seems that Putin, like the Kremlin as a whole, can generally decide on any actions that until recently seemed unacceptable in the civilized world - from the Crimea to interference in American elections, from Donbass to Salisbury. That is why it can not be won with the help of simple propaganda, optimistic clips on the Internet and confident statements. Statements have no special meaning when they are answered with tanks, ”the journalist notes.
No one in the Kremlin set himself the task of bringing Vladimir Zelenskiy to power in Ukraine. No, the task, in his opinion, was different - to contribute to the defeat of Petro Poroshenko. And for the fact that the current Ukrainian president did not agree to agreements with Moscow on the Kremlin’s scenario, and simply because the Russian special services outweighed the idea that, under President Zelensky, it would be much easier for Ukraine to destabilize and ... integrate. “I am not going to assess now how justified such a position is. But the fact that the implementation of the task has already begun is a fact. Moreover, Zelenskiy is beginning to fight precisely for the electorate of the eastern and south-eastern regions of the country - that is, those areas where the positions of the new president are the strongest. And this is natural: with Poroshenko there was no point in fighting for this electorate, which did not support him from the start, which for the most part did not even go to the 2014 elections, because he did not see his candidate among the favorites.

The Kremlin will need to prove that Zelenskiy deceived the Ukrainian east. That he is not going to and cannot agree with Putin that the war will last is, of course, for a “non-constructive” Kiev, the tariffs will not fall, and wages will not rise. But the Kremlin, on the contrary, will do for the “friend of the people” in the east everything that it can - it will start by issuing passports to residents of the occupied territories, then, probably, will pass to mass passporting of all Ukrainian citizens. And it is clear that for the residents of the regions bordering on Russia this will be much more important than for those who live on the border with the countries of Europe. ”

According to the journalist, Putin has a simple goal, on the implementation of which he, apparently, will work in the near future. Voter Vladimir Zelensky should be his own voter, the voter of Vladimir Putin. And when the Russian president talks about the joint citizenship of the two countries, about one people - he is not joking, he doesn’t even scoff at his future colleague. He simply expounds the program of "quiet annexation" of the Ukrainian east, according to the apt definition of the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Latvia Edgar Rinkevich.

“The question is that, apart from words, Vladimir Zelensky can counterpose this“ quiet annexation ”, does he understand that he has been elected president of the country, which, apparently, simply wants to be turned into a region of a neighboring state?” The journalist concludes.

https://zik.ua/ru/news/2019/05/02/portnykov_v_protyvostoyanyy_s_zelenskym_kreml_sobyraetsya_perehodyt_k_1564007