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7 minutes ago, Imaginarynumber1 said:
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Summary: In the 13-year period of January 1, 2005 to December 31, 2017, canines killed at least 433 Americans. Pit bulls contributed to 66% of these deaths. 

They are not any more dangerous than other breeds. A dog that bites is either poorly trained, scared, or frightened. 

The facts would disagree. Your position would depend on pit bulls being owned by bad owners by s factor of 5 or more to one.

What factors would you use to offset the higher death association by put bulls?

Problem isn't that a pit bull bites more often, but that when it bites, it is greatly more likely to kill. Maybe like the difference between a AK47 and a 9mm pistol. Both can kill you. Both are dangerous. But one is dangerous enough that many people fear it way more then the other. And with good reason.

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No dog whisperers in here eh?!  Liked how some say they're a dog god whisperer coke head dog dreamer and then they get their <snip>  tore up.

Be nice to hear or see stats from people that have tried to bring fighting dogs back around to being sociable again.

Prob a waste of air, we turned around Rotties but we never took in any of the stocky thick jawed bulldog types.

Suppose its possible but we'd never had calls or took in to turn around / save: Goldens, German Shepard or Irish setters.  UPDATE: or those bouncy ones ? Jack Russel I think, neighbors had some and they kind of levitated at times it seemed HA! no problem getting in the pickups!   And that's about the end of my two bits/bytes.  LAterzzzzzzzzz

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17 minutes ago, DieChecker said:

I'm not even saying we outlaw them, or require special licenses. Just that they are a dangerous (nasty) breed.

and I'm saying the well bred ones are not. You stats doesn't take in account bad breeders and puppy mills. 

It's like all those wannabe cowboys and backyard horse yuppies telling me "Arabs are crazy". Maybe that inbred trash peddled in the U.S. is but the 3 I brought from the UK and the 2 I imported from Eastern Europe sure as hell weren't. 

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24 minutes ago, DieChecker said:

So... not family dogs?

No

24 minutes ago, DieChecker said:

 

Should we group pit bulls into that category too? Because there's many people who are pushing that they are good family dogs. 

No, If they are well bred, they are. 

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14 minutes ago, MWoo7 said:

Be nice to hear or see stats from people that have tried to bring fighting dogs back around to being sociable again.

Let's hear from one.

@Iilaa'mpuul'xem  We need your 2 cents. 

 

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32 minutes ago, DieChecker said:

The facts would disagree. Your position would depend on pit bulls being owned by bad owners by s factor of 5 or more to one.

What factors would you use to offset the higher death association by put bulls?

Problem isn't that a pit bull bites more often, but that when it bites, it is greatly more likely to kill. Maybe like the difference between a AK47 and a 9mm pistol. Both can kill you. Both are dangerous. But one is dangerous enough that many people fear it way more then the other. And with good reason.

I will concede that a pit is more likely to kill when it bites, but only based on the strength of the bite. And often only on young or old people.

The problem is that there is not a good reason to fear puts anymore that any other breed. It is a vicious lie perpetrated, in part, by the horrible woman who co founded peta.

 

And I would absolutely say that the average pit owner is a bad owner by a factor of 5 or more.

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27 minutes ago, Piney said:
42 minutes ago, MWoo7 said:

Be nice to hear or see stats from people that have tried to bring fighting dogs back around to being sociable again.

Let's hear from one.

@Iilaa'mpuul'xem  We need your 2 cents. 

Oh, 

had no idea.

COOL@! WAiting with bated breath.      



I don't suppose there are any like RUSSIANS that tame bad dogs and a bunch of bear too ! now that would be cool**humour!!!!!******* Edited by MWoo7
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34 minutes ago, Imaginarynumber1 said:

And I would absolutely say that the average pit owner is a bad owner by a factor of 5 or more.

:nw:

and @DieChecker  Since moving to the burbs in November. I have only saw one responsible dog owner in this whole neighborhood of chuckleheads. 

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1 hour ago, Piney said:

and I'm saying the well bred ones are not. You stats doesn't take in account bad breeders and puppy mills. 

Yet those bad breeders and puppy mills are a reality, and causing the breed to get a bad name. Also people, like idiots, will cross a pit with a more aggressive breed. Perhaps this is what this dog is?

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46 minutes ago, Imaginarynumber1 said:

I will concede that a pit is more likely to kill when it bites, but only based on the strength of the bite. And often only on young or old people.

The problem is that there is not a good reason to fear pits anymore that any other breed....

I'd suggest your first paragraph as a reason for the fear in the second. The very fact the breed is physically superior is reason to fear them in regard to the elderly, or children.

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And I would absolutely say that the average pit owner is a bad owner by a factor of 5 or more.

:lol:

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46 minutes ago, MWoo7 said:

Be nice to hear or see stats from people that have tried to bring fighting dogs back around to being sociable again.

Not a Pit Bull, but a wolf German Shepherd mix. My step-dad brought home all kinds of animals. It was in the back fenced in the yard, chained to a tree, when I got home from school. My step dad had intended to be home when I got home and I was eleven years old. The dog weighed more than I did, but I had no fear. Lucky, the dog/wolf, had been used as a guard dog/fighter at a scrap yard and his owner was going to take him out and shoot him after it took four fingers completely off his owners right hand. I looked in his eyes and unchained him. We instantly connected.

After Lucky and I's initial meeting he was completely devoted to me. He was so big he played with a cinder block like it was nothing...batting it around. The only problem was, my mother was abusive. Lucky saw her back hand me across the face and he went for her throat. I called him down and he immediately obeyed me, not putting a mark on her. Unfortunately for him, he remembered it and never liked her. Mother started to do it again one day and Lucky grabbed her wrist. It wasn't enough to really hurt her, but she had him put down, not long after, while I was at school.

From then on, I've never questioned the unique bond animals and humans can have. You know it immediately.

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12 hours ago, Imaginarynumber1 said:

There are not a nasty breed of dog. They are more often owned by nasty people. 

That's been my experience as well.  I inherited one a few years back and he was the gentlest dog I ever owned.  He died from a heart problem at the age of two.  We put a stone marker out for him:                                   RANSOM

                                                  THE WORLD WAS HIS CHEW TOY

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1 minute ago, and then said:

That's been my experience as well.  I inherited one a few years back and he was the gentlest dog I ever owned.  He died from a heart problem at the age of two.  We put a stone marker out for him:                                   RANSOM

                                                  THE WORLD WAS HIS CHEW TOY

My best friend has had pits as long as I've know her. They have always been the best, most well behaved dogs. Never so much as nipped at anyone.

My most recent ex has 3 pits right now. 2 are abused rescues. they are the sweetest, most loving dogs I've had the pleasure to be around besides my own. 

 

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The simple fact is that any dog can be dangerous. They are still animals, domesticated or not. Pits have a bad reputation and any time they kill a person, it always makes national news. A golden-lab mix literally ripped a 2 month old baby apart in 2012. Should those breeds be considered dangerous? Studies show that Labs are the breeds that bite the most.

Spay and neuter your animals. Take the time to train them. Learn their personalities, what they like/dislike, what scares them, etc. Be a responsible owner. DO NOT get any animal if you do not have the time or are unwilling to sacrifice the time to give it the best life possible.

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23 minutes ago, Imaginarynumber1 said:

Spay and neuter your animals. Take the time to train them. Learn their personalities, what they like/dislike, what scares them, etc. Be a responsible owner/ DO NOT get any animal is you don not have the time or are unwilling to sacrifice the time to give it the best life possible.

The last Malamute I had was abused. I adopted him when he was a little over a year old and the humane society was about to put him down.. He was terrified of everyone and was 25 pounds underweight. It took over a year to bring him out and get his weight up to normal. He was so proud when we took him on vacation and on outings. Instead of cowering he would perk up when anyone walked by, like aren't I pretty and well behaved? Don't you want to pet me? He did let them come to him and didn't push it though. :lol:

They are on the ten most dangerous list too.

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i love dogs....many  years ago before pits were banned.....i got a severe bite off one....split my lip in half......just before he did that he was on the sofa next to me.getting stroked....by me!.....plus the gypsies used them  for betting in dog fights......a horrible thing to see

but those vids are online for the savvy searcher

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9 hours ago, Piney said:

Let's hear from one.

@Iilaa'mpuul'xem  We need your 2 cents. 

 

I will catch up with the thread and story later today, I have a day of dogs ahead of me at the moment.... 

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that is the problem with shelter dogs, you have no clue how aggressive they might be,  and it will not always show right away

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In the 70’s they blamed the Doberman, in the 80’s it was the German Shepherd that was the aggressive breed, in the 90’s they blamed the Rotweiller and today they pass the blame onto the Pit Bull….. when are we going to start to pass the real blame onto the owners?

First and foremost, “There is no such thing has an aggressive breed”, you can get aggressive dogs but that isn’t breed related, dogs bite for many reasons, they feel scared or threatened, they are reacting to a stressful situation or are fear aggressive, or they are unwell, I call this medical aggression. 

The problem you have with rescues centres is many don’t carry out a through evaluation of the dogs they have and are trying to rehome and when you add to that, the volunteers that work there are just enthusiastic dog lovers with absolutely no idea on dog behaviour and more often than not very little is known about the dogs they end up with and their background and therefore are rehomed to the wrong families or people.

The last time I checked the Chihuahua and Labrador were responsible for more mites to humans than any other breed. 

The Pit Bull is a banned breed here in the UK like many others but we do have them, I have two on my books, they were originally know has the Nanny dog, they were babysitters to families and were devoted to children and kept them safe but sadly has time went on people started to weaponise them, popular breed with gangs and dealers in the USA and between them dog fighting gangs and the media, they are now looked upon as a demon dog and then the breed gets branded.

I have had dogs all my life, mainly the German Shepherd but I have rescued smaller breeds, I have worked with security dogs, sniffer dogs and it was a natural move for me to choose to work with dogs when I left my old career behind. I live and breath anything dog especially when it comes to behaviour, they are my teachers and every-time I get a bad one on my books, I learn what I can from it, if I could thank them hundred times a day for what they teach me it wouldn’t be enough and what I learn from them helps another dog in the future.

I don’t turn a dog away, regardless to its behaviour or size. The reason every dog I have ever come across that needs behaviour modification is the owners or previous owners, dogs are not born aggressive, we make them that way, sometimes in all innocence, we teach them to play fly ball, to jump and clear 7ft fences, to go over and below objects, we play tug of war, we give them small squeaky toys that resemble small animals, we are creating the very thing we don’t want and when your dog jumps the fence and kills the new neighbours small Pomeranian dog ore acts to the neighbours small child speaking in the yard, we blame the dog and yet we have created that behaviour. 

Many TV celebrity dog trainers and experts always tell you to exercise your dog to remove the energy, put it on the treadmill, take it for a run or bike ride while it runs by your side? All we are doing is creating a dog that can become more reactive because its always going to want stimulating with exercise. 

To get a well balanced dog, it needs socialising, and not just with other dogs, it needs socialising with any animal you can come across. Sheep, birds, cattle, horses…. Everything, so that when you park up and open the car to let your dog out and there is an animal or person about, the stimulant to chase that, has been taken away by socialising.

I have dogs on my books that were given up on by many behaviour experts, the RSPCA, and even a vet told one of my clients to put their dog to sleep because it can not be helped, when a professional tells you to do that, then they have overstepped their professional boundary. 

Every single dog regardless to its problems can be helped, I have never met a dog that can’t if you are willing to put the time into them but sadly I have met many people that are not willing to put that time in. 

There is no such thing has an egressive breed, dogs are not born aggressive people make them that way, I have dogs that live a balanced life with families now that were given up on, I have dogs that were dog aggressive that now walk in packs with me and will not react to other dogs. 

I don’t use any harsh tools, or collars, I do have muzzles but don’t like to use them and if I do it will be for just one session or walk, I use a basic slip lead, I use a form of TTouch and energy to communicate, I have a lesson I call consequence theory, where I let them make their own decisions so they can learn from their mistakes, I allow my pack to teach them in hours what it would take me weeks to teach them, I let them play and act just like dogs when off leash and just step in when I need to, I take into consideration individual breeds instinctive behaviour because this can change the dynamics of a pack walk or play session

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2 minutes ago, Iilaa'mpuul'xem said:

There is no such thing has an egressive breed, dogs are not born aggressive people make them that way

 I think we do need to be somewhat careful in minimizing certain breed characteristics in this conversation, particularly for non dog people. American Bulldogs being a good example. Left on their own they are born aggressive,  being wary of strangers is even in their breed standard, its literally what they were made for.

That doesnt change the end result of it being the owners fault if those characteristics arent curbed , it just changes the path to get there for some.

 

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3 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

 I think we do need to be somewhat careful in minimizing certain breed characteristics in this conversation, particularly for non dog people. American Bulldogs being a good example. Left on their own they are born aggressive,  being wary of strangers is even in their breed standard, its literally what they were made for.

That doesnt change the end result of it being the owners fault if those characteristics arent curbed , it just changes the path to get there for some.

 

Instinctive behaviour in breeds can be worked with but not cured, many breeds are wary of strangers, that's just part of being a dog... A dog isn't born immediately thinking about biting people but I understand what you are saying.

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