IRGC placed on terrorist list by Trump

[Sir Smoke aLot]

Trump has delivered his promise. Knowing that Iran has said how it will change it's policy and label US army as terrorist in return. Some few months ago Iran promised to target US assets in ME if Trump place IRGC on terror list.

Who would profit the most if USA gets dragged into jet another war, war which can't be won easily meaning it can't be won without many sacrifices. LINK to article on CNN.

Of course, first to congratulate on this move was the man who ordered it at first place, American politicians favorite - Mr. Netanyahu.

From the article :

Iran warned this weekend that if the US went ahead with the designation, Tehran would retaliate by designating the US military as a terrorist organization in return.

I truly hope that this wont lead to destruction but it's hard to expect such thing. Egypt is moved out of game and maybe they will even support so called ''deal of the century'' (in exchange for billions of $$$). LINK about some leaked information about the deal but there are many more of course.

Some parts of that deal include moving Palestinians to Jordan and Egypt  so we can say that Trump shares same views as Israeli most radical elements in their government. How can that lead to peace? Why does Trump put target mark over every US army personnel in ME (Iran has the means to attack them and they said that they will)?

How will US profit from removing every Israeli adversary from the picture? It seems to me that ''it's all about benjamin's'' is just that. AIPAC money wasn't wasted.

Opinions?

[RoofGardener]

1 minute ago, Sir Smoke aLot said:

Trump has delivered his promise. Knowing that Iran has said how it will change it's policy and label US army as terrorist in return. Some few months ago Iran promised to target US assets in ME if Trump place IRGC on terror list.

Who would profit the most if USA gets dragged into jet another war, war which can't be won easily meaning it can't be won without many sacrifices. LINK to article on CNN.

Of course, first to congratulate on this move was the man who ordered it at first place, American politicians favorite - Mr. Netanyahu.

From the article :

 

 

I truly hope that this wont lead to destruction but it's hard to expect such thing. Egypt is moved out of game and maybe they will even support so called ''deal of the century'' (in exchange for billions of $$$). LINK about some leaked information about the deal but there are many more of course.

Some parts of that deal include moving Palestinians to Jordan and Egypt  so we can say that Trump shares same views as Israeli most radical elements in their government. How can that lead to peace? Why does Trump put target mark over every US army personnel in ME (Iran has the means to attack them and they said that they will)?

How will US profit from removing every Israeli adversary from the picture? It seems to me that ''it's all about benjamin's'' is just that. AIPAC money wasn't wasted.

Opinions?

Well, I'm not surprised - or even particularly interested - in the Islamic Republican Guard Corps' response. We are accustomed to their deranged bombastic pronouncements. 

What I would be MORE interested in investigating is whether this classification (the IRGC being a terrorist organisation) is justified ? 

[Farmer77]

2 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

What I would be MORE interested in investigating is whether this classification (the IRGC being a terrorist organisation) is justified ? 

I'm truly curious as well but must admit that when viewed through the prism of our national relationship with Saudi Arabia it kind of feels like declaring anyone a terrorist is arbitrary and based on political convenience.

[Sir Smoke aLot]

2 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

Well, I'm not surprised - or even particularly interested - in the Islamic Republican Guard Corps' response. We are accustomed to their deranged bombastic pronouncements. 

I am not American but i would not like to see innocent young people die for nothing which is important for their own country. Iran has the means to do what they promised but since they were never aggressors i believe that they will wisely wait for US move alto i feel that Israel will try to escalate this because they just got green light  If you followed relation between what happens in ME and what US presidents say you should know that this is green light for attacks on Iran. Thing is, if any American asset gets damaged USA will attack Iran there is no doubt about it.

Only thing which is unclear to me is why USA didn't invade Bahrain and SA already...

5 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

What I would be MORE interested in investigating is whether this classification (the IRGC being a terrorist organisation) is justified ? 

If it was we would be speaking of how war against Iran is progressing.

[Piney]

2 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

I'm truly curious as well but must admit that when viewed through the prism of our national relationship with Saudi Arabia it kind of feels like declaring anyone a terrorist is arbitrary and based on political convenience.

The Philadelphia Yearly Meeting (Quakers) is the most spied on organization in the Delaware Valley by Homeland Security.

Quaker terrorists???????

[RoofGardener]

Well, if the Islamic Republican Guard Corps IS designated as a terrorist organisation, then it couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch  

I'm sick and tired of their belicose pronouncements about how they will crush America, France, the UK and Russia. It would be SO funny if - the next time they make such a statement - America bombs a few of their military bases. 

[Sir Smoke aLot]

1 hour ago, RoofGardener said:

Well, if the Islamic Republican Guard Corps IS designated as a terrorist organisation, then it couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch  

All i know of that could shape your opinion the way it is is those alleged violations against Iranian people which are allegedly committed by IRGC on daily basis. IRGC was holding most of the weight of revolution and 8 year war against Saddam and rest of the world on it's shoulders with Iranian people from all confessions.

Nice article to read, from time when Trump announced this ''logic'' of him and USA fighting for Iranian people, they also said that Iranian regime will fall by the end of the year. 40 year anniversary in Iran was attended by millions.

Did you have something else in mind maybe? Whom did Iran or their army attack since 1979, or since Persian empire for that matter?

1 hour ago, RoofGardener said:

I'm sick and tired of their belicose pronouncements about how they will crush America, France, the UK and Russia. It would be SO funny if - the next time they make such a statement - America bombs a few of their military bases. 

If you had pharmacy products banned from entering your country or if you had someone forbidding Red Cross humanitarian aid for disasters, you would be enraged too. But things we say, oh man the things we say but the things we do, that's what matters. Burning US and Israeli flags is not the same as killing their civilians, at least it's not the same by my standards.

Iran is on good terms with Russia BTW also with Turkey it seems, thanks to the Bush and those administrations after Bush, younger one

France owned Iran, then Britain got mad because Mosadech (if i remember right, democratically elected president in 1950's) nationalized oil industry which made French and British, possibly USA pockets a little emptier. After, it was asked of course for coup to be made. Then the infamous Shah got to power, all thanks to foreign intervention (well documented). Would you not be angry on nations who did that to your nation?

Maybe you can swallow that, i can't and most certainly the Iranians can't and won't of course.

There is always question to be made against every claim but usually, when it's about Israel or Iran for me it's enough to ask one thing, one word... ''Why?'' Why do Iranians dislike USA so much? Because they hate their freedoms and democracy? So shallow.

I respect Iran, to hold against many and enter into 5th decade of that... I can't remember who managed to do the same. If allegations against Islamic Republic were correct they would be long gone.

And let me provide icing on the cake so to say :

 

Check the products and civilian life there in video, hmm, those crazy and wild Muslims!

[edit] mmm lovely music too

Edited April 8, 2019 by Sir Smoke aLot

[Setton]

2 hours ago, RoofGardener said:

What I would be MORE interested in investigating is whether this classification (the IRGC being a terrorist organisation) is justified ? 

They back a lot of groups that the US (but no one else) considers terrorist organisations. 

What I can't understand is why now? The US is in the middle of a massive withdrawal from Syria, meaning a lot of US troops temporarily in Iraq. A country where most of the parliament and military is made up of Iranian proxies who answer to..... the IRGC. 

At this point it's like he's trying to get his people killed. 

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Well, I'm not surprised - or even particularly interested - in the Islamic Republican Guard Corps' response. We are accustomed to their deranged bombastic pronouncements

Pronouncements yes. But when their proxies have hundreds of US service men and women surrounded, I'd be more worried about how they respond than the IRGC itself. 

Trump just keeps pushing and pushing. At some point, Iran will push back. 

[Farmer77]

Just now, Setton said:

What I can't understand is why now? The US is in the middle of a massive withdrawal from Syria, meaning a lot of US troops temporarily in Iraq. A country where most of the parliament and military is made up of Iranian proxies who answer to..... the IRGC.

 

My guess is the map is the key. Bolton pushed hard in the early 2000's for our troops to meet in the middle. With the Syria withdrawal and negotiations with the Taliban ongoingish  It sounds like we may not have many willing forward operating bases, or at least none in those two strategic locations, for much longer. Perhaps they're setting the stage to strike while they still can?

[Sir Smoke aLot]

11 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

 

My guess is the map is the key. Bolton pushed hard in the early 2000's for our troops to meet in the middle. With the Syria withdrawal and negotiations with the Taliban ongoingish  It sounds like we may not have many willing forward operating bases, or at least none in those two strategic locations, for much longer. Perhaps they're setting the stage to strike while they still can?

That would accomplish a lot indeed. Most problematic issue right now, for the US at least is the fact that Iraq is leaning towards Iran and their relationship is getting stronger. While it is not only affiliated with events from Trump administration it seems that he did undermine efforts (and sacrifices) of prior administrations, regarding Iraq. This sentiment got fortified by Trump visit which was not announced to Iraqi officials (as i know it i might be wrong). Such move surely enraged many in Iraq but in reality it just shows who owns it since Saddam fell.

Maybe they still can but i am not so convinced. Of course, military might alone is on US army side, no doubt about it but what would be the cost?

I am trying to find one strategical/tactical evaluation which was done years ago by one US army general (not Wesley Clark). He said that because of terrain it would take a lot of air operations to make ground for troops to land on Iranian ground but even then it would just be start because of rough mountainous terrain (which makes it easy to conduct hit and run guerrilla style tactics by Iran) and we all know how that works, let's take Vietnam for example.

While US was stronger on paper (alto some say that they didn't send enough troops to win that war) it never get open fight. In open fight US wins but wasn't prepared for other tactics. I suspect that in case of Iranian army being demolished campaign would be at it's starting point and God knows how many lives would be lost by then.

Just my opinion.

[ExpandMyMind]

It's kinda funny.

Iran: I know you are, but what am I? 

The really idiotic part of it all is that if you judge the US, UK or other western nations using the same criteria, then Iran aren't wrong. Iran are doing what we've been doing for over 50 years.

It's like a murderer in prison saying 'ohh, better stay away from that guy, he totally killed someone'. ****ing stupid, is what I'm saying.

[Raptor Witness]

This is just another attempt to boost Netanyahu's election. Will it work? 

Anyone who lives in Israel, please chime in, on the eve of your election.

 

[Sir Smoke aLot]

7 hours ago, Raptor Witness said:

This is just another attempt to boost Netanyahu's election. Will it work? 

Anyone who lives in Israel, please chime in, on the eve of your election.

 

That's very interesting indeed, it surely seems that support for elections in similar manner has became great political tool in many regions, for many regimes and leaders. People need to move their standards a bit higher not just in Israel but everywhere i guess.

[Farmer77]

14 hours ago, Sir Smoke aLot said:

am trying to find one strategical/tactical evaluation which was done years ago by one US army general (not Wesley Clark). He said that because of terrain it would take a lot of air operations to make ground for troops to land on Iranian ground but even then it would just be start because of rough mountainous terrain (which makes it easy to conduct hit and run guerrilla style tactics by Iran) and we all know how that works, let's take Vietnam for example.

Ya know now that I think about it, for the last year or so there has been an absolute ton of military activity outside of my town.

home

 

Iran

 

Probably coincidence

[+and-then]

My guess is the IRGC won't do anything to cause Israel or the U.S. to break bad on them.  Sure, they have cells here and they have a ballistic missile capability to hit our bases in the M.E. but the price they'd pay would be too much to make it worth the tantrum.  What practical effect will this designation have?  Economic?  Trade?  

[Farmer77]

Just now, and then said:

What practical effect will this designation have?  Economic?  Trade?  

Stoking the base. This, Israel, abortion, socialism, illegal immigration, Trump is simply hitting the hard core base's talking points in the run up to 2020.

[Sir Smoke aLot]

22 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

Probably coincidence

I do not believe in coincidence but i hope it was coincidence. There is Afghanistan too, similar terrain so maybe it has more to do with that but timing supports your assumption i guess. Ongoing talks with Taliban could also lean to that conclusion.

Taliban can't be defeated and we all have seen that. Not because they are super strong but because they have the ability to conduct guerrilla operations which surely exhaust US troops, both physically and mentally. 

[Sir Smoke aLot]

11 minutes ago, and then said:

My guess is the IRGC won't do anything to cause Israel or the U.S. to break bad on them.  Sure, they have cells here and they have a ballistic missile capability to hit our bases in the M.E. but the price they'd pay would be too much to make it worth the tantrum.

True but i am more afraid of some false flag or something which would be out of Iranian hands. You know that Netanyahu promotes war with Iran for quite some time, also to reshape the ME (remember Condoleza Rice speech about new ME, '' you are with us or you are against us '' just before Iraq?). 

If that is up to Iran then there will be no war by my opinion. They would suffer greatly but so would Israel and the US.

Iranian conventional weapons (missiles) might be enough to wipe Israel because it's really tiny in tactical terms and Hezbollah is battle trained for years in Syria while IDF is only trained on unarmed civilians. Too much is at stake and when i think about it it seems that right now Bibi and Trump are largest threat to Israel too.

 

[edit] to add, but if they seek prophecy we should all be scared, remember this one:

Should it be in God's hands or in Bibi's?

Edited April 9, 2019 by Sir Smoke aLot

[RoofGardener]

15 hours ago, Sir Smoke aLot said:

That would accomplish a lot indeed. Most problematic issue right now, for the US at least is the fact that Iraq is leaning towards Iran and their relationship is getting stronger. While it is not only affiliated with events from Trump administration it seems that he did undermine efforts (and sacrifices) of prior administrations, regarding Iraq. This sentiment got fortified by Trump visit which was not announced to Iraqi officials (as i know it i might be wrong). Such move surely enraged many in Iraq but in reality it just shows who owns it since Saddam fell.

Maybe they still can but i am not so convinced. Of course, military might alone is on US army side, no doubt about it but what would be the cost?

I am trying to find one strategical/tactical evaluation which was done years ago by one US army general (not Wesley Clark). He said that because of terrain it would take a lot of air operations to make ground for troops to land on Iranian ground but even then it would just be start because of rough mountainous terrain (which makes it easy to conduct hit and run guerrilla style tactics by Iran) and we all know how that works, let's take Vietnam for example.

While US was stronger on paper (alto some say that they didn't send enough troops to win that war) it never get open fight. In open fight US wins but wasn't prepared for other tactics. I suspect that in case of Iranian army being demolished campaign would be at it's starting point and God knows how many lives would be lost by then.

Just my opinion.

The idea of the USA invading Iran is just a fantasy. They wouldn't have the ability to do it, for the reasons you mention above. 

The Islamic Republican Guard Corps IS - in my opinion - a supporter of terrorism, as they fund/support/arm Hezbollah and HAMAS. Plus they make ridiculous comments from time to time about nuclear lizards, spying Israeli seagulls, and boats that swim out of submerged tunnels to attack US aircraft carriers. (not submarines, mind you, but BOATS). 

[Raptor Witness]

2 hours ago, Sir Smoke aLot said:

That's very interesting indeed, it surely seems that support for elections in similar manner has became great political tool in many regions, for many regimes and leaders. People need to move their standards a bit higher not just in Israel but everywhere i guess.

According to their own religious texts, the greatest terrorists in all of history will be a couple of Christians. 

Given this, it’s seems hypocritical for a nation built on Christian ideas and values to point to Iran. 

Rome II wasn’t destroyed in a day. As I recall, she is destroyed by fire in about 30 minutes. That’s not 911 type stuff, that’s perhaps what Nostradamus called, “The King of Terror ..... from the sky.”

 

[Setton]

4 hours ago, and then said:

My guess is the IRGC won't do anything to cause Israel or the U.S. to break bad on them.  Sure, they have cells here and they have a ballistic missile capability to hit our bases in the M.E. but the price they'd pay would be too much to make it worth the tantrum. 

Which is why they'll keep any attacks deniable. 

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What practical effect will this designation have?  Economic?  Trade?  

Next to none. Complete waste of resources and pointless endangerment of personnel. 

[+and-then]

5 hours ago, Raptor Witness said:

the greatest terrorists in all of history will be a couple of Christians. 

?  Explain?

[+and-then]

5 hours ago, Raptor Witness said:

it’s seems hypocritical for a nation built on Christian ideas and values to point to Iran. 

Frankly, I don't care to "point to Iran" as though America is in some sort of competition to see who is more moral.  America has become a cesspool in many ways but if you can look at a nation as morally superior whose leaders cheerfully hang gay men for being gay men and imprison dissidents for years and allow them to die in prison for protesting government actions then I think maybe you have a strange worldview, yourself. 

As to equating the judgment against Babylon (I assume that was your point) with something from Nostradamus, he wasn't a prophet of God, nowhere near it.  If America IS modern Babylon - and I believe it's quite possible - then our fall will come in "one hour".  That could be by God's hand or he could allow our enemies to nuke us.  Either way, it will be over for us as a nation and the whole world will be freaked out over it.  I'm sure that many from other nations will gloat and rejoice in our demise until they realize that our judgment is just the beginning of His wrath against the earth.  After the lawlessness we've seen take hold over the past couple of decades, Americans must know where this is headed.  We have state legislatures giving themselves standing ovations for passing legislation that can allow infanticide.  We are without excuse and justice will be done in His good timing.

[+and-then]

7 hours ago, Sir Smoke aLot said:

Iranian conventional weapons (missiles) might be enough to wipe Israel because it's really tiny in tactical terms and Hezbollah is battle trained for years in Syria while IDF is only trained on unarmed civilians. Too much is at stake and when i think about it it seems that right now Bibi and Trump are largest threat to Israel too.

Iran won't unleash Hizballah and also salvo a massive missile attack against Israel because their leaders aren't really insane.  They are religious zealots but they will not push Israel so far that she would respond with tactical nukes.  Let's face it, Hizballah has over 100K missiles available for a war against Israel but that doesn't mean they would be allowed to use them.  If the more modern and accurate systems that have been slipped in through Syria were to take a toll on civilians and infrastructure, The IDF would lose all restraint.  The mullahs don't want to lose their nuclear infrastructure or their control over their people because Israel goes overboard in response. 

Israel has a real problem with how to handle Tehran.  That government has made it abundantly clear that they seek the end of the Jewish state and they are moving all the pieces into place to accomplish that.  Pushing a people who have survived a genocide attempt into a corner really isn't a wise move.  Eventually, that region is going up in some serious flames.  Israel has a knack for surviving situations where no one thinks they can.  

[Raptor Witness]

7 hours ago, and then said:

Frankly, I don't care to "point to Iran" as though America is in some sort of competition to see who is more moral.  America has become a cesspool in many ways but if you can look at a nation as morally superior whose leaders cheerfully hang gay men for being gay men and imprison dissidents for years and allow them to die in prison for protesting government actions then I think maybe you have a strange worldview, yourself. 

As to equating the judgment against Babylon (I assume that was your point) with something from Nostradamus, he wasn't a prophet of God, nowhere near it.  If America IS modern Babylon - and I believe it's quite possible - then our fall will come in "one hour".  That could be by God's hand or he could allow our enemies to nuke us.  Either way, it will be over for us as a nation and the whole world will be freaked out over it.  I'm sure that many from other nations will gloat and rejoice in our demise until they realize that our judgment is just the beginning of His wrath against the earth.  After the lawlessness we've seen take hold over the past couple of decades, Americans must know where this is headed.  We have state legislatures giving themselves standing ovations for passing legislation that can allow infanticide.  We are without excuse and justice will be done in His good timing.

“A male goat flies from the West, crossing the entire earth ...” Dan. 8

The power of manned flight has always been the clue to where the Tower of Babel is rebuilt.

Likewise, the eventual trampling of Persia from the air has always been the tripwire to a hell on earth. Why doesn’t matter.

Edited April 10, 2019 by Raptor Witness