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What exactly is a Black Hole Event Horizon?

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Erno86
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"Recent findings suggest that black holes can rotate at speeds greater than the speed of light."

If Earthlings could harness that type of energy...the human race would be off to the stars.

Thoughts???

"On Wednesday (April 10) The international Event Horizon telescope project will release the first results from its plan to image black holes. But what exactly is an event horizon?

Source:

https://www.space.com/black-holes-event-horizon-explained.html

"Black Hole Quiz"

Source:

https://www.space.com/15906-black-hole-quiz-facts.html

"How to understand the image of a black hole"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUyH3XhpLTo


 

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The Event Horizon is the point of no return, and the place where matter gets torn apart and spread equally, before being absorbed by the singularity inside.

As far as the behavior of the singularity itself, we only have theories and speculation, since no data comes from it.

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25 minutes ago, Erno86 said:

"Recent findings suggest that black holes can rotate at speeds greater than the speed of light."

If Earthlings could harness that type of energy...the human race would be off to the stars.

Thoughts???

"On Wednesday (April 10) The international Event Horizon telescope project will release the first results from its plan to image black holes. But what exactly is an event horizon?

Source:

https://www.space.com/black-holes-event-horizon-explained.html

"Black Hole Quiz"

Source:

https://www.space.com/15906-black-hole-quiz-facts.html

"How to understand the image of a black hole"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUyH3XhpLTo

 

In physics there are several competing ideas over what a blackhole is and how they work. All are totally unproven, and currently they all violate what laws of physics we have.

There is absolutely no evidence to say they are holes in the universe. Quite the opposite in fact. They accelerate when approaching stars allowing us to calculate their mass, and of course must  have mass to give off gravity. They orbit other bodies and wobble as bodies pass them. I suspect they are just super dense stars which electro-magnetic radiation cannot escape from due to their strength of gravity. We know they leak Hawking radiation, I suspect there will be other types we have yet to identify.

The event horizon is believed to be the point at which gravity becomes too strong for light to escape. I`m going to go further and say I predict there is a maximum size a blackhole can reach before it explodes, and the last time that happened in this area of the universe is being mistaken for the big bang.

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Rlyeh
1 hour ago, Erno86 said:

"Recent findings suggest that black holes can rotate at speeds greater than the speed of light."

That's not even the correct quote.

"Recent findings suggest that black holes can rotate at speeds greater than 90 percent that of light, Loeb said."

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L.A.T.1961

Looking forward to the press conference from the Event Horizon telescope project  tomorrow. :)

Kip Thorne helped on the movie Intersteller and the digital model used was considered a good idea of what a real black hole would look like.

 

 

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docyabut2
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 To make it simple we just recently discovered we have a black hole in our galaxy:) and the out line has a sucken in, so could be billions of years our planet can be sucked in :) he thinks the universe is connected to another universe, but I`d like to think it was heaven

stephen-hawking-001.jpg

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Erno86
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My bad quote on the OP...

"Recent findings suggest that black holes can rotate at speeds greater than 90 percent the speed of light."

Animation Explained:First ever picture of a black hole"

Source:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsnjYC64RqA

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Erno86
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"National Science Foundation/Event Horizon Telescope Press Conference" - April 10, 2019

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnJi0Jy692w

 

"In the Shadow of a Black Hole" - April 10, 2019

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omz77qrDjsU

 

 

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Weitter Duckss

They have seen a black hole!

Let's look at the real size:

Supermassive black hole  ø 0.001–400 AU

Galactic Center  Milky Way ø 3000 -16000 ly

400 AU = 0,00635 ly;

Set the ratio 0.00635 ly (400 AU) as opposed to 3000 to 16000 ly.
1 AU = ~107 ø Sun. 
This multiplied by 236,220 to 2.512 million AU (=3000 to 16000 ly size of the center of the Milky Way). 

Between the instruments and so-called black hole there is an average of 1.4 million Sun (in all directions in volume). 
(all figures in the commentary are their official evidence)

We all test Jupiter exploration, Sun ..
Where are the photos of the body behind Sun or Jupiter (through the body)? 

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docyabut2

To me I`ve read many people that have out of body experiences of dying, claim they see of going through a black hole, or being sucked through a  black hole unafraid but back. Of course science says it just a eye vision. but  I would love to think it was a into another universe of heaven.")

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Weitter Duckss

It is not necessary to be on the verge of death in order to have out of body experiences.

The problem is that it is useless and unusable. It's just a personal perception or a viewing angle.

Walking through the "black hole" is just a "tunnel" from the north to the south of the center of the galaxy. Where would you go through the door inside the apartment? On Mars?

Volume has no shortcuts. From point A to B can travel less (through dense matter) or more safely (to avoid contact with visible material).

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bmk1245
On 4/13/2019 at 5:37 PM, Weitter Duckss said:

It is not necessary to be on the verge of death in order to have out of body experiences.

The problem is that it is useless and unusable. It's just a personal perception or a viewing angle.

Walking through the "black hole" is just a "tunnel" from the north to the south of the center of the galaxy. Where would you go through the door inside the apartment? On Mars?

Volume has no shortcuts. From point A to B can travel less (through dense matter) or more safely (to avoid contact with visible material).

I can't hold anymore... Where is the 'north' of the galaxy, and how you determined it?

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Weitter Duckss

It's hard to admit me, but this time you're right.

North and south have agreed values. I thus showing only at the poles of the body, where the cyclones (eye of cyclone). So, on the distance of 90 ° from the equatorial plane. Especially you are right because magnetic poles are changing in one body.

https://www.nasa.gov/missions/solarsystem/star2northpoles.html 

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bmk1245
On 5/5/2019 at 9:38 AM, Weitter Duckss said:

It's hard to admit me, but this time you're right.

North and south have agreed values. I thus showing only at the poles of the body, where the cyclones (eye of cyclone). So, on the distance of 90 ° from the equatorial plane. Especially you are right because magnetic poles are changing in one body.

https://www.nasa.gov/missions/solarsystem/star2northpoles.html 

So, where is your north-to-south tunnel? Show us how matter is entering Sun's north pole and exiting south pole, will yeah?

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"2.3. The Processes That Lead to the Acceleration and Deceleration of an Object's Rotation Around Its Axis 
The goal of this text is to point out the processes that lead to the acceleration and deceleration of a star's or a galactic rotation around the axis in the process of the constant growth and gathering of matter in the Universe. 
Due to rotation, stars and gaseous planets, as well as the centers of galaxies, create cyclones and whirlpools on their poles. The difference between a cyclone and a whirlpool is in the speed of rotation. 
A slower speed of an object's rotation creates whirlpools, which are relatively shallow and don't go deep into an object as cyclones do. Due to a very fast rotation, a lesser quantity of cyclones create one cyclone that has openings on the poles. Slower rotations of objects create lower speeds of rotation on their poles, compared to the speeds in the equatorial region. The opposite situation is when there is a very fast rotation. Only a very small quantity of stars, compared to their total quantity, have very fast rotations and they are mostly found in areas rich with matter (nebulae, etc.).
Acceleration and deceleration of the objects' rotation take place in two separate manners. The first one is caused by the constant influx of objects to the equatorial plane. A part of the objects that have retrograde orbits slow down a central object. A fair quantity of exoplanets have retrograde orbits. In the beginning of discovering the exoplanets, the astronomers have concluded that the ratio of normal and retrograde orbits is similar. It needs to be particularly mentioned that the change in the speed of rotation of a central object is more affected by the objects with prolate elliptical orbits and the objects that hit central objects, than the objects with steady circular orbits, which have already achieved orbital balance and the balance of a central object's rotation.
The acceleration of objects from whirlpools and cyclones is a constant, but very rarely existing process for gaseous planets, stars and the centers of galaxies. That can be concluded from a very low quantity of fast-rotating stars, O, B and A type 0,73003% [1], if F type is also included, then their quantity amounts up to 3,73003% of the total quantity of the main-sequence stars in the Milky Way
(Harvard spectral classification). The process of rotation acceleration through cyclones is more important in the galactic centers, where one third of galaxies are fast-rotating (elliptical ones,...). The reasons for such a disproportion depend on that very large cyclones "devour" large objects with high temperatures (stars), while smaller cyclones mostly suck smaller and colder objects in, after they have been attracted by gravity. 
Smaller objects heat up by passing through the atmosphere of a star and through a cyclone, but, when entering a cyclone, stars bring very high temperatures that are further affected by forces, which cause the temperatures to be even higher (acceleration, friction,...)." 

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Weitter Duckss

Pulsars 

image.jpeg.08917576470f957e4826c49cccba84ec.jpeg 

Quasars

image.jpeg.8149889f61b3f2ee520acbbcecf311c3.jpeg etc.

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bmk1245
1 hour ago, Weitter Duckss said:

Pulsars 

image.jpeg.08917576470f957e4826c49cccba84ec.jpeg 

Quasars

image.jpeg.8149889f61b3f2ee520acbbcecf311c3.jpeg etc.

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An astrophysical jet is an astronomical phenomenon where outflows of ionised matter are emitted as an extended beam along the axis of rotation.

[...]

They likely arise from dynamic interactions within accretion disks, whose active processes are commonly connected with compact central objects such as black holes, neutron stars or pulsars. One explanation is that tangled magnetic fields[2] are organised to aim two diametrically opposing beams away from the central source by angles only several degrees wide (c. > 1%).

(link; bolding mine)

Again, show inflow of the matter, not the outflow. And show the ""tunnel" from the north to the south".

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Weitter Duckss
6 hours ago, bmk1245 said:

(link; bolding mine)

Again, show inflow of the matter, not the outflow. And show the ""tunnel" from the north to the south".

 

Of course they claim (hypotheses without proof). There is nothing intricate about this and beyond the principle of physics.

„Let's look at the real size:

-          Supermassive black hole  ø 0.001–400 AU

Galactic Center Milky Way ø 3000 -16000 ly (30000-40000 ly  http://www.astrodigital.org/astronomy/milkywaygalaxy.html).

-          1 ly = 63019 AU;

-          400 AU = 0,00635 ly;  (100 = 0,0159 î)

Set the ratio 0.00635 ly (400 AU) as opposed to 3000 to 16000 ly.

1 AU = ~107 ø Sun. 
This multiplied by 236,220 to 2.512 million AU (=3000 to 16000 ly size of the center of the Milky Way). 

Between the instruments and so-called black hole there is an average of 1.4 million Sun (in all directions in volume). 
(all figures in the commentary are their official evidence)

We all test Jupiter exploration, Sun ..
Where are the photos of the body behind Sun or Jupiter (through the body)?“

„The emissions of radiation are measured on the poles that are 3.000 to 30.000 ly and more far from each other and that proves the existence of cyclones (cyclones and whirls on stars [29]). Cyclones (the eye of a cyclone) are the places of occurrence for all occurrences that have ever been measured (radiation emissions, star formations, etc.). Their existence have been confirmed on the poles of Sun, Jupiter, Saturn, etc. They are formed due to the rotation of an object – and galaxies, especially their centers, rotate.

„The speed of rotation affects the form of a galaxy and more dynamic processes inside such galaxies. With the increase of speed of rotation (including faster orbits of stars and changing the structure in the centers of galaxies) there is also the increase of intensity and quantity of radiation coming from the openings of a cyclone on the poles of a central structure of our galaxy.

"Stellar black hole    10 MSun  30 km; ø of pulsars and „neutron stars“ is ~20 km.

(Micro black holes, also called quantum mechanical black holes or mini black holes, are hypothetical tiny black holes, for which quantum mechanical effects play an important role.[1] The concept that black holes may exist that are smaller than stellar mass was introduced in 1971 by Stephen Hawking.)"

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Rlyeh
On ‎13‎/‎04‎/‎2019 at 6:21 AM, Weitter Duckss said:

They have seen a black hole!

Let's look at the real size:

Supermassive black hole  ø 0.001–400 AU

Galactic Center  Milky Way ø 3000 -16000 ly

400 AU = 0,00635 ly;

Set the ratio 0.00635 ly (400 AU) as opposed to 3000 to 16000 ly.
1 AU = ~107 ø Sun. 
This multiplied by 236,220 to 2.512 million AU (=3000 to 16000 ly size of the center of the Milky Way). 

Between the instruments and so-called black hole there is an average of 1.4 million Sun (in all directions in volume). 
(all figures in the commentary are their official evidence)

We all test Jupiter exploration, Sun ..
Where are the photos of the body behind Sun or Jupiter (through the body)? 

How are you getting 107 Sun?  Size =/= mass.  You realise the galactic center isn't just one black hole, right?

What body behind the Sun?

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Weitter Duckss
4 hours ago, Rlyeh said:

How are you getting 107 Sun?  Size =/= mass.  You realise the galactic center isn't just one black hole, right?

What body behind the Sun?

1 AU =  ~150 million km; Sun radius = ~ 1.4 million km; the result is ~ 107 diameters of the Sun or 1 AU.

The amount of 107 should be multiplied by 8000-15000 (1/2 size of the center of the galaxy) and 1 ly = 63o18.867925 AU. This is ~ 54 billion diameter of the Sun (for 8000 ly).

They (fake scientists) saw a black hole through the thick matter ~ 53,994,150,943 Sun diameter.

You probably understand the question: where are the photographs of the body (behind the sun) recorded through the Sun (can also be through Jupiter or smaller asteroid or comet).

It needs to be distinguished stupid malicious article of the real world. It does not have to spend energy on such stupidity.

P:S:

2.4. The formation of galaxies (link)
Matter attraction gathers objects into systems and rotation regulates these systems. When a large number of stars rotate around the common center in a relatively small volume (i.e., in the centers of galaxies), they act as a single object and create systems similar to star systems. A galactical disk is created on the same principles as the orbits of objects around stars and asteroid belts or gas disks; rotation, the speed of rotation, the force of attraction. [19]  In a large majority of situations, central objects represent almost the whole mass of a system (Sun 99,86 %).
There are different galactical centers inside the general process of growth. Slow rotations create centers made of stars and other matter that look like the spherical groups of stars (there is a big difference in the speed of rotation) and they do not create a familiar-looking center inside the galactical center. [20]  Cyclones, that break down a large part of stars and create a completely new and the largest object in Universe, are formed by fast rotation on the poles of the galactical centers. [21]  
The speed of rotation is not exclusively responsible for the size of an object (a galaxy, a star,...) because a fast rotation is a characteristic of both dwarf and giant galaxies. The same goes for a slow rotation. The same principle applies to stars. There are big stars with different speeds of rotation, and the same goes for small stars. There are hot stars with very small mass, but there are also hot giant stars. The same applies to cold stars and those stars, which temperatures are somewhere in between.

Table 7. galaxies, type / rotational speed

 

galaxies

type galaxies

Speed of galaxies

  Fast-rotating galaxies

1

RX J1131-1231

quasar

„X-ray observations of  RX J1131-1231 (RX J1131 for short) show it is whizzing around at almost half the speed of light.  [22] [23]

2

Spindle galaxy

elliptical galaxy

„possess a significant amount of rotation around the major axis“

3

NGC 6109

Lenticular Galaxy

Within the knot, the rotation measure is 40 ± 8 rad m−2 [24]

Contrary to: Slow Rotation

4

Andromeda Galaxy

spiral galaxy

maximum value of 225 kilometers per second 

5

UGC 12591

spiral galaxy

the highest known rotational speed of about 500 km/s,

6

Milky Way

spiral galaxy

210 ± 10 (220 kilometers per second Sun)

Table 7. galaxies, relationship: type galaxies / rotational speed of galaxies; No 1-3 Fast-rotating galaxies, No 4-6 Slow-rotating galaxies.

The speed of rotation affects the form of a galaxy and more dynamic processes inside such galaxies.

Table 8. Galaxies, type/ size ..

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Rlyeh
5 minutes ago, Weitter Duckss said:

AU =  ~150 million km; Sun radius = ~ 1.4 million km; the result is ~ 107 diameters of the Sun or 1 AU.

The amount of 107 should be multiplied by 8000-15000 (1/2 size of the center of the galaxy) and 1 ly = 63o18.867925 AU. This is ~ 54 billion diameter of the Sun (for 8000 ly).

Wrong.  The center of the galaxy is not solid and not just one black hole.  It's an area of space which includes stars.

 

7 minutes ago, Weitter Duckss said:

They (fake scientists) saw a black hole through the thick matter ~ 53,994,150,943 Sun diameter.

What thick matter?  See my first comment.

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Rlyeh

Do you think the galaxy is a solid object?

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Weitter Duckss
34 minutes ago, Rlyeh said:

Wrong.  The center of the galaxy is not solid and not just one black hole.  It's an area of space which includes stars.

 

What thick matter?  See my first comment.

I use diameter or radius of the body (the galaxy centers.) The galaxy centers are opaque bodies (in both cases).

This implies the existence of no less than two types of galaxy centers, which structurally differ from each other. The first type is created by the growth of stellar clusters and the start of cyclones in the center of an irregular galaxy, while the other is gaseous-liquid and is formed by the stellar growth.  With the increase  of the rotation speed and the formation of cyclones in the center, the first type galactic centers overgrow into a gaseous-liquid form (this implies the existence of transitional phases). (Addition 1)

The rotation speed of a galactic center determins the form of a galaxy an the ongoing processes.

A very fast cyclone rotation (in an elliptical galaxy) creates huge friction, whichheats up matter; that can be seen on quasars (Addition 1) and very fast-rotating small objects (stars) through the emission of radiation that takes place on the poles.“

 The mass of the galaxy center. we perform. from other smaller systems ( In a large majority of situations, central objects represent almost the whole mass of a system (Sun 99,86 % etc).

II No.

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Rlyeh
3 minutes ago, Weitter Duckss said:

I use diameter or radius of the body (the galaxy centers.) The galaxy centers are opaque bodies (in both cases).

The galactic center is an area of space, it's not one body.

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Weitter Duckss
2 minutes ago, Rlyeh said:

The galactic center is an area of space, it's not one body.

image.jpeg.81af35a66753a15dbbd436f469994b28.jpeg Slikovni rezultat za the galaxy center 

"If the diameters of a galactical central object are estimated to be a few tens of thousands of light-years, the nature of the Milky Way's bar is actively debated, with estimates for its half-length and orientation spanning from 1 to 5 kpc (3,000-16,000 ly [26]  or 40 thousand ly on the equator and 30 thousands ly (according to some other sources [27] ) from a pole to the other one."

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