RavenHawk Posted April 15, 2019 #26 Share Posted April 15, 2019 I agree that it is probably from renovation. Somebody was still drunk from the weekend. However, to consider other possibilities, Islamic Hijrah is one, but also it could be that the YellowJackets are responsible. But it could also be Macron trying to eradicate a backward religion and will fiddle while it burns and blame his political opponents. Not good in any case. It is a loss of world culture. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenWolf Posted April 15, 2019 #27 Share Posted April 15, 2019 (edited) 20 minutes ago, pallidin said: I could suggest exactly which ideologic group is responsible, but on this site it might be considered "insensitive" Of course it has to be a terrorist attack, it couldn't have started from the renovations or in the the kitchen. Edited April 15, 2019 by GoldenWolf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freetoroam Posted April 15, 2019 #28 Share Posted April 15, 2019 OMG. I am in shock. My mother is distraught. She is French, she can not believe this building which has survived wars and time is burning to the ground in our day and age. I have photos from when i was a child where i was dragged to the Notre Dame, to adulthood when i dragged my son there. This is a shocker. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewinn Posted April 15, 2019 #29 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Well, it's not beyond us to restore, repair and rebuild so it can last another 900 years. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pallidin Posted April 15, 2019 #30 Share Posted April 15, 2019 That remodeling scaffolding imight collapse on the firefighters. I'm sure, though, that they've considered that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wistman Posted April 15, 2019 #31 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Transcepts and their roses are gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pallidin Posted April 15, 2019 #32 Share Posted April 15, 2019 1 minute ago, stevewinn said: Well, it's not beyond us to restore, repair and rebuild so it can last another 900 years. Indeed, we've seen destruction restoration all around Europe after the wars. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freetoroam Posted April 15, 2019 #33 Share Posted April 15, 2019 22 minutes ago, pallidin said: I could suggest exactly which ideologic group is responsible, but on this site it might be considered "insensitive" If you can class workmen as ideological then its not sensitive at all. It was having a lot of work done, hence all the scaffolding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithisco Posted April 15, 2019 Author #34 Share Posted April 15, 2019 North Rose window South Rose window The Nave All gone??? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavenHawk Posted April 15, 2019 #35 Share Posted April 15, 2019 1 minute ago, stevewinn said: Well, it's not beyond us to restore, repair and rebuild so it can last another 900 years. The average life span is not long enough to be able to take in that many of the famous sites we know today have burned perhaps many times in the distant past and were rebuilt. What is usually lost is the original artisanship. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wistman Posted April 15, 2019 #36 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Western towers now burning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pallidin Posted April 15, 2019 #37 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Just now, The Wistman said: Western towers now burning. Oooo... that's not good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freetoroam Posted April 15, 2019 #38 Share Posted April 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, stevewinn said: Well, it's not beyond us to restore, repair and rebuild so it can last another 900 years. It is the artifacts inside which are not replacable. Would be best they do not try to rebuild it, i darent not think what the architects would suggest to replace it with. They will never be able to restore it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Grey Posted April 15, 2019 #39 Share Posted April 15, 2019 4 minutes ago, GoldenWolf said: Of course it has to be a terrorist attack, it couldn't have started from the renovations or in the the kitchen. Here's the thing: if this was committed by a migrant/Muslim/terrorist/minority, they probably wouldn't tell you for fear that some patriot would retaliate by burning down a Mosque. There are countless examples of under reporting or mis-reporting of migrant crimes to soften public tension. This fire may have been caused by renovators. Or it might have been caused by someone else, given the widespread desecration of cemeteries and Churchs in France. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoofGardener Posted April 15, 2019 #40 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Nooooooo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wistman Posted April 15, 2019 #41 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Flames in northwest tower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithisco Posted April 15, 2019 Author #42 Share Posted April 15, 2019 I guess the Choral Organ is lost as welll 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewinn Posted April 15, 2019 #43 Share Posted April 15, 2019 How is it so combustible? Its a massive empty air space made of stone. The roof might go but surely the rest is survivable. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pallidin Posted April 15, 2019 #44 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Wow. Never been there, but sounds historically tragic... as well as, apparently, key Christian relics destroyed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavenHawk Posted April 15, 2019 #45 Share Posted April 15, 2019 I'm seeing pictures that it appears that they have knocked down the fires on the NW tower. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/15/world/europe/notre-dame-fire.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wistman Posted April 15, 2019 #46 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pallidin Posted April 15, 2019 #47 Share Posted April 15, 2019 1 minute ago, stevewinn said: How is it so combustible? Its a massive empty air space made of stone. The roof might go but surely the rest is survivable. Weakening of ancient mortar due to excessive heat will essentially destroy the entire building. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewinn Posted April 15, 2019 #48 Share Posted April 15, 2019 6 minutes ago, freetoroam said: It is the artifacts inside which are not replacable. Would be best they do not try to rebuild it, i darent not think what the architects would suggest to replace it with. They will never be able to restore it. Rebuild for future generations. I'm sure we can replicate what's been lost and anything that needs replacing replace it because in 900 years it'll have a significance like that that's been lost today. Is this fire the worst event to happen to the cathedral in its history? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wistman Posted April 15, 2019 #49 Share Posted April 15, 2019 The ambulatory. Flames still showing in NW tower. Heartbreaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pallidin Posted April 15, 2019 #50 Share Posted April 15, 2019 1 minute ago, stevewinn said: Is this fire the worst event to happen to the cathedral in its history? Obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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