Russia probes II -- The Mueller Report

[KingTomis]

19 hours ago, Gromdor said:

Still seems to be an overall good thing to me.  Trump stonewalled anything related to the investigation.  For him to come out and decide to declassify things because it might attack his foes is still releasing information that he was hiding before.  I have faith enough in our alphabet agencies that they operated properly- and if they didn't they deserve punishment.  Not seeing how it will affect Dems much though.  Other than a few people here and there, law enforcement agencies tend to be Republican.

Having previously worked in the IC and having dealt with hundreds of FISA applications there are people that are going to end up in prison over this if our laws and regulations are upheld.  That is a big IF, and more likely we won't see anything come of it.  People will be retired or shuffled around to other positions within their "alphabet agencies" for following orders and those who were behind all this have already been been fired, reassigned or resigned specifically within the FBI and DOJ.  What is now happening is an attempt to find out just how far up to totem pole this all goes.  Under any other administration the public would never see signs of any outcome because at the end of the day the D's and R's are all one and the same role-playing a public facade and ultimately trying to save their own asses and those of other politicians regardless of party.  Under Trump? Well it's going to be interesting and we already see top Dem's turning on each other or trying to shift the narrative with the willful help of the media.

 

As for the IC and law enforcement being mostly Republican, it's very true.  Your average agent/analyst/officer lean right but what you see is that for reasons I don't fully understand is that those in leadership positions lean left and lean more left the longer they are removed from actual work and have only managerial/leadership type of duties.  Education  plays a part in it.  The majority of civilian employees within the IC have a college degree but the higher levels of leadership will require first a masters and then potentially a PHD depending on what field you are in and for reasons I wont speculate on, we know that with higher levels of education comes statistically with a shift towards left leaning personal politics. 

[Harte]

1 hour ago, Gromdor said:

Hate to break it to you, but the police will investigate you even after you die if you aren't cleared of being a suspect in a crime.  You can tell em to p*** off all you want, but you can't stop them. 

Okay.

What crime has occurred?

The crime comes first, before the suspect.

Unless, of course, you're in some Tom Cruise movie

Harte

Edited May 24, 2019 by Harte

[Harte]

59 minutes ago, F3SS said:

And in 2025 when he's out of office he'll be a billionaire with precious few years to live and a lot of vengeance to seek. If I were him I'd hire 2 dozen lawyers and file frivilous lawsuits against all those who harrassed him for 8 years making their life miserable through bs litigation.

Throw in some good private detectives and the misery might not come from bs.

Harte

[F3SS]

54 minutes ago, Harte said:

Throw in some good private detectives and the misery might not come from bs.

Harte

That's funny cause I thought to add that very sentiment in an edit but didn't.

[Gromdor]

54 minutes ago, Harte said:

Okay.

What crime has occurred?

The crime comes first, before the suspect.

Unless, of course, you're in some Tom Cruise movie

Harte

Well in this case it was Russian interference in the 2016 election.  Trump wouldn't be having half his problems if he were truly "Exonerated" instead of "Hah, you couldn't get enough evidence to indict or convict".

Think his current list of crimes being investigated:

Bank fraud and insurance fraud courtesy of his former lawyer's testimony.

Campaign finance violations courtesy of his former lover Stormy Daniels.

Tax fraud/evasion courtesy of his "I didn't lose a billion dollars.  I am smart and fudged my tax numbers!" public statement.

On second thought, I'm feeling lazy, here's some links with all the legal/criminal proceedings he still faces:

https://www.citizensforethics.org/press-release/new-report-trump-appears-to-have-committed-multiple-crimes/

http://time.com/5557644/donald-trump-other-investigations-mueller/

 

[Merc14]

1 hour ago, Gromdor said:

Well in this case it was Russian interference in the 2016 election.  Trump wouldn't be having half his problems if he were truly "Exonerated" instead of "Hah, you couldn't get enough evidence to indict or convict".

Think his current list of crimes being investigated:

Bank fraud and insurance fraud courtesy of his former lawyer's testimony.

Campaign finance violations courtesy of his former lover Stormy Daniels.

Tax fraud/evasion courtesy of his "I didn't lose a billion dollars.  I am smart and fudged my tax numbers!" public statement.

On second thought, I'm feeling lazy, here's some links with all the legal/criminal proceedings he still faces:

https://www.citizensforethics.org/press-release/new-report-trump-appears-to-have-committed-multiple-crimes/

http://time.com/5557644/donald-trump-other-investigations-mueller/

 

OMG, this is a perfect example of the mushroom effect,  Congrats son, you win.

[Merc14]

5 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

AOC and Omar are two, but I would include those that I call the Young Turks, the hardcore Socialists but not necessarily only the freshmen Representatives.  And the majority of those running for President trying to out-Left the others.  When and how did we ever lose the Democratic Party to Socialism?  And now, we are starting to lose the Republican Party to the same poison.  It’s hard for me to envision how these people can get so caught up in Socialism even when the history is readily available?  I give them credit for at least identifying problems but I question their understanding and intentions.  We need to return civics to the schools and immerse everyone in the history of the Founding Documents and Founding Fathers.  People are not aware of the critical moments in the lives of the Founders that they were able to find the courage to distance us from Socialism and kindred forms of enslavement. 

… It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

 

This declassification, with the full support of the DoJ (Barr) is a new wrinkle.  I think everything depends on Barr and his willingness to take the slings and  arrows. 

Thanks for the quote on this special weekend:

… It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

The Gettysburg Address (Speech, 11/19/1863)

 

[Harte]

2 hours ago, Gromdor said:

Well in this case it was Russian interference in the 2016 election.  Trump wouldn't be having half his problems if he were truly "Exonerated" instead of "Hah, you couldn't get enough evidence to indict or convict".

Think his current list of crimes being investigated:

Bank fraud and insurance fraud courtesy of his former lawyer's testimony.

Campaign finance violations courtesy of his former lover Stormy Daniels.

Tax fraud/evasion courtesy of his "I didn't lose a billion dollars.  I am smart and fudged my tax numbers!" public statement.

On second thought, I'm feeling lazy, here's some links with all the legal/criminal proceedings he still faces:

https://www.citizensforethics.org/press-release/new-report-trump-appears-to-have-committed-multiple-crimes/

http://time.com/5557644/donald-trump-other-investigations-mueller/

 

What a load of crap.

Not one thing in the above represents any legal proceeding he will have to face.

The campaign violation one is precious.

Harte

[Gromdor]

2 hours ago, Harte said:

What a load of crap.

Not one thing in the above represents any legal proceeding he will have to face.

The campaign violation one is precious.

Harte

Suit yourself.  I you want to believe he did nothing wrong and all the evidence is bogus, then feel free.  You will just get a blank look from me though when you can't understand why he is under so much investigation.  The primary reason I haven't been posting much on this topic lately is the fact that the events that happen as time passes have been a much more effective truth stick than anything I have said.

I may not like Clinton, but there is one thing I have to give her credit for.  She took this for over a decade with a straight face whereas Trump is bawling like a baby after barely two years. I've heard so much "coup, coup" in the last month, I swear I walked into a flock of pigeons.

[acidhead]

MAGA 2020

[Gromdor]

10 minutes ago, acidhead said:

MAGA 2020

I certainly hope so.  It definitely didn't happen from 2016-2019...... 

[+DieChecker]

15 hours ago, hacktorp said:

Fat Jerry (Nadler) just passed out at a de Blasio presser today.  He's not well...at all.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Nadler-Congressman-Appears-to-Almost-Pass-Out-at-de-Blasio-Presser--510382851.html

Sorry Jerry, karma is tapping you on the shoulder...

Goodness... He certainly doesn't look well. If I saw someone like that at work, or the street, I'd call 911 for an ambulance.

[+DieChecker]

2 hours ago, acidhead said:

MAGA 2020

FOUR MORE YEARS! FOUR MORE YEARS!

I wonder what lows the Unemployment numbers will get to? Who will replace Ginsberg? If the immigrant surge will continue until Trump's Wall is completed?

If casual conversations will continue to  be Obstruction...

[Harte]

6 hours ago, Gromdor said:

Suit yourself.  I you want to believe he did nothing wrong and all the evidence is bogus, then feel free.  You will just get a blank look from me though when you can't understand why he is under so much investigation.  The primary reason I haven't been posting much on this topic lately is the fact that the events that happen as time passes have been a much more effective truth stick than anything I have said.

I may not like Clinton, but there is one thing I have to give her credit for.  She took this for over a decade with a straight face whereas Trump is bawling like a baby after barely two years. I've heard so much "coup, coup" in the last month, I swear I walked into a flock of pigeons.

Even the NYT admitted that what Trump did tax wise was perfectly legal.

A former head of the Federal Election Commission said much the same about his payoff to Daniels, along with several other lawyers.

We'll see about any banking violations, but those would apply to the corporation typically, and wouldn't involve Trump personally.

The straws you grasp here aren't even straws. They're capellini. Overcooked capellini.

Harte

[+DieChecker]

From last year...

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/fec-ruling-stormy-daniels-payment-could-take-year-or-longer-n860231

Quote

March 26, 2018

 

“I think it is almost impossible for FEC to finish by the end of year,” Potter told NBC News.

Former FEC Commissioner Ann Ravel agrees.

“The FEC is understaffed primarily in the enforcement division. So it does have an impact on the ability to aggressively enforce matters and bring them up before the commission in a timely fashion,” Ravel said.

Both Potter and Ravel point to another reason why FEC investigations are often delayed — partisan gridlock among commission members.

“The commission has deadlocked, split between Democrats and Republicans, on almost every issue in the last eight years. I don’t think the FEC will resolve this. There’s a possibility that the DOJ could step in if they thought this was worth directly investigating,” Potter said.

So, it has been a year... I wonder if they've decided anything. My guess is it will turn out to be another Nothing Burger.

Edited May 25, 2019 by DieChecker

[F3SS]

4 hours ago, DieChecker said:

FOUR MORE YEARS! FOUR MORE YEARS!

I wonder what lows the Unemployment numbers will get to? Who will replace Ginsberg? If the immigrant surge will continue until Trump's Wall is completed?

If casual conversations will continue to  be Obstruction...

Is she still around or what? 

[+DieChecker]

4 minutes ago, F3SS said:

Is she still around or what? 

The left will hook her up in a Darth Vader bodysuit/respirator setup if need be. She's skipped a few meetings here and there, but still an active Justice.

[F3SS]

And Clinton was lightly put through the wringer compared to what Trump's been up against. Trump's been facing unprecedented attacks, investigations and adversity while Clinton, except for maybe one, just one long day of questioning on Benghazi, has been treated with kids gloves within a moat of eggshells.

[F3SS]

Just now, DieChecker said:

The left will hook her up in a Darth Vader bodysuit/respirator setup if need be. She's skipped a few meetings here and there, but still an active Justice.

She's the damn crypt keeper anymore.

[Vorg]

We the Congress of the United States hereby Impeach President Donald J Trump for the following reasons:

To wit; Beating Hillary Clinton during the 2016 election

           Coming in the "back door"

           Maxine Waters doesn't like you

           Adam Schiff doesn't like you

           blah blah blah blah x 4,000 more blahs

                                                                                                                                               Sincerely

                                                                                                                                               Nancy Pelosi, Speaker of the House of Representatives.

Edited May 25, 2019 by South Alabam

[F3SS]

That pretty much summarizes the last 3 years of democrat politics. It really isn't any deeper than that.

[ian hacktorp]

6 hours ago, DieChecker said:

Goodness... He certainly doesn't look well. If I saw someone like that at work, or the street, I'd call 911 for an ambulance.

Or at least a fashion consultant...

[+susieice]

2 hours ago, Harte said:

Even the NYT admitted that what Trump did tax wise was perfectly legal.

A former head of the Federal Election Commission said much the same about his payoff to Daniels, along with several other lawyers.

We'll see about any banking violations, but those would apply to the corporation typically, and wouldn't involve Trump personally.

The straws you grasp here aren't even straws. They're capellini. Overcooked capellini.

Harte

The payoff to Daniels was cheap. Paula Jones cost Clinton $850,000. People remember Monica Lewinsky but not her.

[Merc14]

10 hours ago, Gromdor said:

Suit yourself.  I you want to believe he did nothing wrong and all the evidence is bogus, then feel free.  You will just get a blank look from me though when you can't understand why he is under so much investigation.  The primary reason I haven't been posting much on this topic lately is the fact that the events that happen as time passes have been a much more effective truth stick than anything I have said.

I may not like Clinton, but there is one thing I have to give her credit for.  She took this for over a decade with a straight face whereas Trump is bawling like a baby after barely two years. I've heard so much "coup, coup" in the last month, I swear I walked into a flock of pigeons.

You  seriously don't know what is going on?  Now be honest because I really think you are BS'ing us but if you really believe what  you are saying I'd like to know.

9 hours ago, Gromdor said:

I certainly hope so.  It definitely didn't happen from 2016-2019...... 

LMAO

 

Edited May 25, 2019 by Merc14

[+DieChecker]

3 hours ago, South Alabam said:

We the Congress of the United States hereby Impeach President Donald J Trump for the following reasons:

To wit; Beating Hillary Clinton during the 2016 election

           Coming in the "back door"

           Maxine Waters doesn't like you

           Adam Schiff doesn't like you

           blah blah blah blah x 4,000 more blahs

                                                                                                                                               Sincerely

                                                                                                                                               Nancy Pelosi, Speaker of the House of Representatives.

WHAT? I don't see the word "Triggered" in there anywhere. We need to include that they are being triggered, so Millenials know what you are going on about.