Russia probes II -- The Mueller Report

[Farmer77]

7 hours ago, South Alabam said:

At one point, Rep. Matt Gaetz, R-Fla., asked if he can say whether the controversial anti-Trump dossier “was not part of Russia’s disinformation campaign.”

You, um ......have you ever watched Gaetz "perform" in session? He is the loonier right wing version of Maxine Waters

National embarrassment’ Matt Gaetz hit with wave of mockery for unhinged attack on Mueller: ‘The human embodiment of a Hannity monologue’

 

7 hours ago, South Alabam said:

“You can charge 13 Russians no one’s ever heard of, no one’s ever seen, no one’s ever going to see, you can charge all kind of people who were around the president with false statements, but the guy who launches everything—puts this whole show in motion—you don’t charge him. I think that’s amazing,” Jordan said.

Jordan is a clown show. What a disservice he is doing to the nation spreading this 2nd grade level logic in defense of his devotion to the dear leader

[Merc14]

I posted in this thread earlier that Mueller wasn't anything more than a figurehead and Weissman was actually running the show.  I think that after watching Meller's performance before congress we can accept that theory as proven.  The man was unfamiliar with the report itself, not up on the facts and oblivious to how biased and absurd the entire investigation was.  How could he not be familiar with Fusion GPS when the dossier was the supposed catalyst for this whole mess. 

[RoofGardener]

2 hours ago, Farmer77 said:

You, um ......have you ever watched Gaetz "perform" in session? He is the loonier right wing version of Maxine Waters

National embarrassment’ Matt Gaetz hit with wave of mockery for unhinged attack on Mueller: ‘The human embodiment of a Hannity monologue’

 

Jordan is a clown show. What a disservice he is doing to the nation spreading this 2nd grade level logic in defense of his devotion to the dear leader

Hmm.. not much of a website Farmer77 ? Two paragraphs of uncorroborated spiel, followed by a series of "twitter" like viewer response posts ? 

[Vorg]

If nothing else go to 2:51 on. It tells a lot.

[Vorg]

https://www.redstate.com/streiff/2019/05/27/bill-barrs-investigation-way-congress-america-will-learn-truth/

The talking heads who represent the parochial interests of the intelligence community, the Democrats, much of the media and similar proportion of the NeverTrumpers are currently on the verge of an aneurysm over the thought that Attorney General Bill Barr has been charged with getting to the bottom of how the Russia hoax started. According to these people lives are in danger (they aren’t, but if we lived in a just society, they would be), sources and methods are at risk (I’m sure you will still be able to hire Perkins Coie to subcontract to some random foreigner any time you wish) and precious national secrets will be exposed…like the pee tapes.

[Vorg]

3 hours ago, Farmer77 said:

You, um ......have you ever watched Gaetz "perform" in session? He is the loonier right wing version of Maxine Waters

National embarrassment’ Matt Gaetz hit with wave of mockery for unhinged attack on Mueller: ‘The human embodiment of a Hannity monologue’

 

Jordan is a clown show. What a disservice he is doing to the nation spreading this 2nd grade level logic in defense of his devotion to the dear leader

Hardly. When John Durham comes out with his report on the origins of the Russia probes and there is nothing in it, call him a clown.

 

[Vorg]

Rep. Devin Nunes, the top Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, said the CIA has "come clean" for his review of the early stages of the Trump-Russia investigation.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/devin-nunes-cia-has-come-clean-but-john-brennan-remains-a-concern

Host Maria Bartiromo asked the California congressman which agency, the FBI or CIA, was more likely to have lined up confidential sources to make contact with members of the Trump campaign, under suspicion for ties to Russia.

“Well, as you know, we have jurisdiction over both FBI and CIA and what they do overseas," Nunes said on Sunday Morning Futures. "We have lots of information about FBI people going overseas and doing things, we don’t really have any information from CIA."

He added, "So far, they’ve really come clean. I would say the only one who has questions to answer is John Brennan, because we now know that John Brennan briefed Harry Reid on the dossier in August 2016. At the same time he never briefed me or Paul Ryan who was the speaker of the House at the time.”

Nunes was chairman of the House Intelligence Committee at the time.

The dossier, put together by British ex-spy Christopher Steele, contained a litany of unverified claims about President Trump's ties to Russia and was used extensively in Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act applications before the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court to justify surveillance of former Trump campaign associate Carter Page. Steele compiled the dossier while he was hired by the opposition research firm Fusion GPS, which itself was being funded by Hillary Clinton's campaign and the Democratic National Committee. The possible misuse of the Steele dossier in the FISA Court is the subject of an investigation by Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz, whose report is expected to be released after Labor Day.

[Farmer77]

1 minute ago, South Alabam said:

Hardly.

LOL have you watched these guys in session? Its truly embarrassing for all Americans that enough people thought these guys were qualified to represent them in congress. Of course Gaetz is representing "Florida Man" so that seems to fit I guess.

Here is a good rebuttal their little propaganda sideshow  the other day. Honestly their willful lying and misleading the American public is doing serious damage.

 

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It doesn’t much matter to Nunes that, during the primaries, prior to DNC law firm Perkins Coie hiring the company Fusion GPS, it had been paid by the conservative Washington Free Beacon to conduct opposition research. It doesn’t matter that Steele didn’t write the first memo in his collection of intel reports until over a week after the Russia investigation had already begun. It doesn’t matter that 73% of Steele’s findings have been completely or partially confirmed by press releases and the Mueller report. It doesn’t matter that when Steele made his discoveries, he didn’t deliver them to Perkins Coie, the DNC, or the Clinton campaign—he gave them to the FBI. If the plan had been to release a bunch of made-up negative information about Trump, giving it to the people who ultimately fired him as a source because he had talked to the media and didn’t reveal anything until months after the election wasn’t the smoothest move. It doesn’t matter that the DOJ inspector general just this week revealed that he had found Steele to be credible after interviewing him for 16 hours.

Left and right have more than just a difference of opinion — it’s a difference of reality

The last sentence is really an important one.  This was known before their propaganda tantrum. They knew all of that when they were trying to say Steele should face charges. It would be truly laughable that they have the gall to stand up and do so in congress if it werent so dangerous.

[Vorg]

A top Republican investigator said accountability is coming for any of those individuals who may have committed crimes during the Trump-Russia investigation.

With the Justice Department conducting a review of that operation, Rep. John Ratcliffe said during a Fox News interview Sunday that he trusts Attorney General William Barr and Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz to provide answers.

And while Ratcliffe said he does not want to prematurely accuse any specific person of a crime — as Democrats have done with President Trump — he stressed that it is clear crimes were committed by people during the Obama administration, including government officials.

 

“I think the first thing we need to do is make sure we don’t do what the Democrats have done," the Texas Republican told host Maria Bartiromo on Sunday Morning Futures. "They accused Donald Trump of a crime and then they try and reverse engineer a process to justify that accusation. So I’m not going to accuse any specific person of any specific crime, I just want there to be a fair process to get there. What I do know as a former federal prosecutor is that it does appear that there were crimes committed during the Obama administration.”

“Now the things that Bob Mueller said he didn’t know about and his team clearly didn’t look at, those are things that would be fair for Bill Barr and the Department of Justice to look at. Because we know that things happened in the Obama administration that haven’t been answered. There’s been no accountability for that yet," Ratcliffe said.

“Well, the special counsel told us ... that they didn't do it. And if they didn't do it, the only place we can get the answers is from the Justice Department right now," Ratcliffe said. "The American people want that. Their faith and trust, Maria, has been shaken in our Justice Department, and the only way to get that back is for there to be real accountability with a very fair process. Again, I have supreme confidence in Bill Barr's ability to deliver that. And at the end of the day, wherever the outcome may be, as long as we know that the process was fair, the evaluation was fair, justice will be done. Look, the truth always defends itself.”

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/john-ratcliffe-ag-william-barr-will-deliver-justice-to-any-obama-officials-who-committed-crimes

[Farmer77]

2 minutes ago, South Alabam said:

Rep. Devin Nunes, the top Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, said the CIA has "come clean" for his review of the early stages of the Trump-Russia investigation.

Comeon MAN

Tell me Devin Nunes doesnt really still hold any credibility with you after the memo fiasco and youre just posting that to troll!!! Please please dear god tell me thats the case

[Vorg]

6 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

Comeon MAN

Tell me Devin Nunes doesnt really still hold any credibility with you after the memo fiasco and youre just posting that to troll!!! Please please dear god tell me thats the case

And Adam Schiff holds credibility with you? House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff (D-CA) said Tuesday that there is already sufficient evidence to warrant a criminal indictment of President Donald Trump.

https://hillreporter.com/adam-schiff-enough-evidence-to-indict-donald-trump-27359

I will say this. I voted for Trump, but don't really "support" him. His mouth is his biggest problem. Yet in this Russia probe there are two sides of the coin. The Mueller investigation is over, now we have the "Origins" investigation. I want to see the other side of that coin, before passing any judgment on anyone.

[Farmer77]

Just now, South Alabam said:

And Adam Schiff holds credibility with you? House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff (D-CA) said Tuesday that there is already sufficient evidence to warrant a criminal indictment of President Donald Trump.

Man how is he wrong? If anyone else in the entire nation did the below to obstruct a federal investigation they absolutely would have been served an indictment.

Sadly Mueller just didnt say it excitingly enough for the 21st century news cycle.

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Former special counsel Robert Mueller confirmed in testimony before the House Judiciary Committee Wednesday that President Trump directed staffers to falsify records connected to Mueller’s investigation.

 

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Asked by Rep. Cedric Richmond (D-La.) whether it was “fair to say” Trump “tried to protect himself by asking staff to falsify records relevant to an ongoing investigation,” Mueller responded, “I would say that's generally a summary.”

Richmond then asked if, in giving the order, Trump intended to “hamper the investigation.” In response, Mueller referred Richmond back to his office’s report.

The Louisiana congressman went on to specifically ask Mueller about Trump’s attempts to get then-White House counsel Don McGahn to create a written record falsely asserting Trump had not directed him to fire Mueller, which McGahn refused.

Richmond asked if the attempts “were related to President Trump's concerns about your obstruction of justice inquiry,” to which Mueller responded, “I believe that to be true.”

"So it's accurate to say the president knew that he was asking [Don McGahn] to deny facts that McGahn 'had repeatedly said were accurate.' Isn't that right?" Richmond asked Mueller, with the special counsel responding in the affirmative.

 

 

4 minutes ago, South Alabam said:

I will say this. I voted for Trump, but don't really "support" him. His mouth is his biggest problem. Yet in this Russia probe there are two sides of the coin. The Mueller investigation is over, now we have the "Origins" investigation. I want to see the other side of that coin, before passing any judgment on anyone.

I can wholly respect that. I dont personally believe the investigation into the investigators is legit but I can respect wanting to see the results if you did think it was.

IMO its a massive propaganda operation somewhat easily debunked by the facts. I do promise ill concede the point if the evidence dictates however!

[RoofGardener]

15 minutes ago, South Alabam said:

And Adam Schiff holds credibility with you? House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff (D-CA) said Tuesday that there is already sufficient evidence to warrant a criminal indictment of President Donald Trump.

https://hillreporter.com/adam-schiff-enough-evidence-to-indict-donald-trump-27359

I will say this. I voted for Trump, but don't really "support" him. His mouth is his biggest problem. Yet in this Russia probe there are two sides of the coin. The Mueller investigation is over, now we have the "Origins" investigation. I want to see the other side of that coin, before passing any judgment on anyone.

Yeeees... ummm.. is this the same Adam Schiff that stated - about a year ago - that there was ABSOLUTE definitive evidence that President Trump colluded with the Russians ? 

Whatever happened to THAT evidence ? He hasn't explained these comments, let alone apologised for them. 

And now we are supposed to take his word about "sufficient evidence to warrant...." ? 

I'm sorry, but if Adam Schiff said that there was evidence that the sun will shine tomorrow, I'd be looking for my umbrella. 

[Farmer77]

5 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

Yeeees... ummm.. is this the same Adam Schiff that stated - about a year ago - that there was ABSOLUTE definitive evidence that President Trump colluded with the Russians ? 

Linky?

[RoofGardener]

1 hour ago, Farmer77 said:

Linky?

Hmm.. struggling to find anything before 2019, but there is THIS.... https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/02/14/adam-schiff-there-ample-evidence-collusion-between-trump-campaign-russians/336786002/

This was from 2018. A key passage in it is... 

"... Schiff said there is evidence — heard by the committee behind closed doors —that he can't talk about publicly because it remains classified. But he said there is plenty of evidence of collusion that has been reported publicly, including:....."

He is clearly implying that he has seen 'evidence' of collusion, but can't talk about it. 

OK.. we've had the Mueller report. It's all out in the open now. 

WHERE IS THIS EVIDENCE HE TALKED ABOUT ?  

[Duke Wellington]

Trump is the best US President I have seen (I was too young to know what Reagan was like).

The extremists on the left hate him. They constantly lie and distort, they cry racist and bigot for valid criticisms, and have an obsession with trying to impeach him despite his innocence. Russia did not collude with Trump to bias the election in his favour. Accept it, and get over it.

The left are queuing up to attack his economic policies as he dismantles socialism. They are wholly negative about everything the guy does and they are an embarrassment. The American stock exchange is at its highest ever, Trump has done great on job creation, and poverty is down. Thanks to him only willing to trade as an equal party he is rebalancing the US trade deficit and as a result the economy of the USA is booming.

Well done Trump! I would wish you all the best getting re-electing but if I`m really honest I wish your were the PM of the UK. Cant he stand to be leader of both at the same time?

[Farmer77]

38 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

WHERE IS THIS EVIDENCE HE TALKED ABOUT ?  

 

You mean besides Jr. reading an email explicitly telling him the Russian government was trying to help get Trump elected and replying "I love it lets have a meeting"?

See you can choose to not think the evidence shows anything wrong but dont claim the evidence doesnt exist.

Now juxtapose that with the horrificly lied about for weeks Nunes memo and the lies and half truths therein and you can plainly see there is no comparison.

 

NOW with all of that said im not really a Schiff fan (shoulda clarified that with @South Alabam earlier) , he seems rather punchable IMO, but facts are facts.

Edited July 29, 2019 by Farmer77

[RoofGardener]

20 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

 

You mean besides Jr. reading an email explicitly telling him the Russian government was trying to help get Trump elected and replying "I love it lets have a meeting"?

See you can choose to not think the evidence shows anything wrong but dont claim the evidence doesnt exist.

Now juxtapose that with the horrificly lied about for weeks Nunes memo and the lies and half truths therein and you can plainly see there is no comparison.

 

NOW with all of that said im not really a Schiff fan (shoulda clarified that with @South Alabam earlier) , he seems rather punchable IMO, but facts are facts.

Ah right... so you're saying that Meuller was wrong when he said there was no evidence of criminal collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia ? 

[Harte]

With no crime, it is not beyond normal for an accused person to try and get out of the false charges.

There is no obstruction case for this reason (among several others.)

I believe that was in Meuller's report, wasn't it?

Harte

Edited July 29, 2019 by Harte

[Farmer77]

Just now, RoofGardener said:

Ah right... so you're saying that Meuller was wrong when he said there was no evidence of criminal collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia ? 

He never said that because collusion isnt a criminal offense.

[RoofGardener]

3 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

He never said that because collusion isnt a criminal offense.

Ah.. perhaps I mis-spoke ? He cleared the President of collusion, did he not ? 

[Harte]

Decided there was no evidence of conspiracy.

Harte

[Farmer77]

2 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

Ah.. perhaps I mis-spoke ? He cleared the President of collusion, did he not ? 

No he never investigated the president of collusion, he investigated for conspiracy, because collusion isnt a criminal offense.

Its a nuanced difference, and I would love to know who made the decision to run with that word in the first place, but collusion wasnt ever actually investigated

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

6 hours ago, Merc14 said:

How could he not be familiar with Fusion GPS when the dossier was the supposed catalyst for this whole mess. 

This is what tends to make me think the guy was stonewalling and playing dumb. It wastes time and reduces the number of questions that get tossed to him.

 

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

3 hours ago, Farmer77 said:

It doesn’t matter that the DOJ inspector general just this week revealed that he had found Steele to be credible after interviewing him for 16 hours.

I see. And did the IG interview the GRU officer that allegedly got much info in the dossier?