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8 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

Trump stonewalled anything related to the investigation. 

Care to clarify that?  He's been investigated for over 2 years.  He made ZERO claims of executive privilege and allowed every member of his administration to sit down for hours with Mueller's thugs.  He turned over every piece of paper they requested.  How is that stonewalling, Sparky?  After ALL OF THAT... he sees the House wanting to do it all AGAIN for the next two years and he has told them to pound sand.  SCREW them and the horses they rode in on.

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Trump Orders FBI, CIA To "Fully Cooperate" With Barr; Grants "Full And Complete Authority To Declassify"

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President Trump on Thursday announced that he has directed the US intelligence community to "quickly and fully cooperate with the Attorney General's investigation into surveillance activities during the 2016 Presidential election," adding that Attorney General William Barr has been given "complete authority to declassify information pertaining to this investigation.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-23/trump-orders-fbi-cia-fully-cooperate-barr-authorizes-full-and-complete-authority

Things are about to get very real.

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35 minutes ago, and then said:

Care to clarify that?  He's been investigated for over 2 years.  He made ZERO claims of executive privilege and allowed every member of his administration to sit down for hours with Mueller's thugs.  He turned over every piece of paper they requested.  How is that stonewalling, Sparky?  After ALL OF THAT... he sees the House wanting to do it all AGAIN for the next two years and he has told them to pound sand.  SCREW them and the horses they rode in on.

Heh, you clarified it pretty well.  After Mueller's report said it was up to Congress decide, Trump clammed right up and is stopping any of his minions from speaking.  This declassifying to attack his attackers should give the public and congress some answers that he has been so recently working so hard to hide.  Mainly, "What were all the reasons why the FBI and intelligence agencies had to investigate him for in the first place?", "What all did they find that caused them to continue the investigation?", and "What were the thoughts of the professionals that were investigating him?"

Hearing them from the actual mouths of the investigators under oath should be interesting.

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1 hour ago, hacktorp said:

 

Trump Orders FBI, CIA To "Fully Cooperate" With Barr; Grants "Full And Complete Authority To Declassify"

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-23/trump-orders-fbi-cia-fully-cooperate-barr-authorizes-full-and-complete-authority

Things are about to get very real.

Yes indeed.  The substance is about to blow the boolshite completely away.  So be it.

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9 hours ago, Gromdor said:

That's weird.  Can't reveal the full Mueller report because it might reveal sensitive information and hurt the US, but declassifing anything that might help discredit his investigators won't?

Huh?  No.  These documents will be declassified in the same manner as the Mueller report, redacting the 4 categories: 1) Grand Jury material, 2) Information related to ongoing investigations, 3) Information that could compromise intelligence sources and methods, 4) material that could compromise the privacy of peripheral third parties.  Unlike what the Progs are wanting with Trump's taxes so they can go after peripheral third parties and destroy them if they don't say Trump is guilty of whatever.  Trump's investigators are already discredited, now we will see the extend of their guilt.

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9 hours ago, Gromdor said:

Still seems to be an overall good thing to me.  Trump stonewalled anything related to the investigation.  For him to come out and decide to declassify things because it might attack his foes is still releasing information that he was hiding before.  I have faith enough in our alphabet agencies that they operated properly- and if they didn't they deserve punishment.  Not seeing how it will affect Dems much though.  Other than a few people here and there, law enforcement agencies tend to be Republican.

Trump did not use EP once to stop Mueller.  He turned over millions of documents and allowed all his staff to testify when requested.  Compare that to Obama and his administrations behavior during their various scandals (see Fast and Furious) and you'll understand stonewalling. Declassifying this information is the furthest thing from stonewalling there could possibly be so don't see it there. If you are talking about trump telling Nadler to pack sand then I agree there is stonewalling but I also think it is exactly the correct thing to do, Nadler is a weasel looking for dirt to feed his enraged base.  Separate what you were led to believe by a corrupt medoia from what actually happened and stop listening to the usual suspects here, they have gotten it completely wrong again, hence the deafening silence from so many of the recently very verbose crowd of sanctimonious know-everythings

8 hours ago, Gromdor said:

Heh, you clarified it pretty well.  After Mueller's report said it was up to Congress decide, Trump clammed right up and is stopping any of his minions from speaking.  This declassifying to attack his attackers should give the public and congress some answers that he has been so recently working so hard to hide.  Mainly, "What were all the reasons why the FBI and intelligence agencies had to investigate him for in the first place?", "What all did they find that caused them to continue the investigation?", and "What were the thoughts of the professionals that were investigating him?"

Hearing them from the actual mouths of the investigators under oath should be interesting.

Sp drag all these people in again with the $1000/hour lawyers that they pay for so Nadler can harass them on TV?  That is what you call fair in this country? Read Mueller's report Nadler, you POS.  No president would put up with this, let Nadler take it to SCOTUS. 

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On 5/22/2019 at 5:50 PM, Hammerclaw said:

Trump wants to be impeached. It's to his political advantage to be impeached. It will be the partisan circus that will be on trial before the eyes and ears of the American people. Then impeachment will fail, abjectly. They'll look like fool's and will have wasted their most potent weapon for nothing and Trump will rub their noses in it, often and publically. Nancy knows it and fears losing all her gains in the vote of a fickle public that grows weary of the charade. The Adventure Continues.

I think you might be right. And Pelosi knows it. Apparently there's only like 30 Democrats in the House pressing for impeachment.

It isn't going to happen unless something major turns up soon.

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48 minutes ago, DieChecker said:

I think you might be right. And Pelosi knows it. Apparently there's only like 30 Democrats in the House pressing for impeachment.

It isn't going to happen unless something major turns up soon.

It depends on what 30 they are?  But Trump is holding all the cards.  If they Impeach him, it’ll fail and they end up with egg on their face.  If they don’t, Trump can tout the economy and the fact that the Progs haven’t done anything to help.  He’ll stonewall on the taxes and that’ll cause them to flip their lid.  They’ll push and push and push, then the taxes will be released and like the Mueller report, there won’t be anything there adding to the foolishness of the Progs.  He can point to the illegals, border, and sanctuary cities too.  Something major is going to happen and it’ll be the fault of the Progs.  Of course, they will deny it but they won’t be able to escape it.  It’s not a matter of if but when.  Diseases are on the increase here as well as violent crime and it’s all due to uncontrolled mass migrations.  The more the Progs fight it, the deeper the hole gets.

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1 hour ago, RavenHawk said:

It depends on what 30 they are?  But Trump is holding all the cards.  If they Impeach him, it’ll fail and they end up with egg on their face.  If they don’t, Trump can tout the economy and the fact that the Progs haven’t done anything to help.  He’ll stonewall on the taxes and that’ll cause them to flip their lid.  They’ll push and push and push, then the taxes will be released and like the Mueller report, there won’t be anything there adding to the foolishness of the Progs.  He can point to the illegals, border, and sanctuary cities too.  Something major is going to happen and it’ll be the fault of the Progs.  Of course, they will deny it but they won’t be able to escape it.  It’s not a matter of if but when.  Diseases are on the increase here as well as violent crime and it’s all due to uncontrolled mass migrations.  The more the Progs fight it, the deeper the hole gets.

Well you know AOC and the Israel hater are two of the 30.

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2 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

It depends on what 30 they are?  But Trump is holding all the cards.  If they Impeach him, it’ll fail and they end up with egg on their face.  If they don’t, Trump can tout the economy and the fact that the Progs haven’t done anything to help.  He’ll stonewall on the taxes and that’ll cause them to flip their lid.  They’ll push and push and push, then the taxes will be released and like the Mueller report, there won’t be anything there adding to the foolishness of the Progs.  He can point to the illegals, border, and sanctuary cities too.  Something major is going to happen and it’ll be the fault of the Progs.  Of course, they will deny it but they won’t be able to escape it.  It’s not a matter of if but when.  Diseases are on the increase here as well as violent crime and it’s all due to uncontrolled mass migrations.  The more the Progs fight it, the deeper the hole gets.

What will be most fun to watch is how long the MSM can avoid talking about what will be a very big scandal/crime.  what a quandary they have in that they have kept their mushroom like audience in the dark and fed them nothing but impeachment and Trump is going down ****e for two years and now, what we all knew two years ago is blowing up just as predicted and the mushrooms on the left, the loyal feeders ate the MSM trough, hasn't a clue it is coming.   Will they be angry at their exalted talking heads?  Will they feel embarrassed about being so utterly clueless when it was all right there to see?  

Should be interesting to watch but many of the fire breathers here have simply skulked away and withheld comment so I am guessing we will get no apologies nor admissions of error and the angry haters will simply wait to attack on something else.  Don't ever let them forget.

Noodle neck Schiff has this to say about declassifying. 

"While Trump stonewalls the public from learning the truth about his obstruction of justice,

Trump and Barr conspire to weaponize law enforcement and classified information against their political enemies.

The coverup has entered a new and dangerous phase.

This is un-American."

 

 

 

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11 minutes ago, hacktorp said:

Fat Jerry (Nadler) just passed out at a de Blasio presser today.  He's not well...at all.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Nadler-Congressman-Appears-to-Almost-Pass-Out-at-de-Blasio-Presser--510382851.html

Sorry Jerry, karma is tapping you on the shoulder...

That will be the most press De Blasio gets this campaign season. :lol:   That said, he is perfectly healthy, Hillary passed out constantly and I have been assured by the democrats on this forum that she is/was in perfect health and I am sure Nadler gets the same immunity.  :rolleyes:

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2 hours ago, hacktorp said:

Fat Jerry (Nadler) just passed out at a de Blasio presser today.  He's not well...at all.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Nadler-Congressman-Appears-to-Almost-Pass-Out-at-de-Blasio-Presser--510382851.html

Maybe him and Nancy have been drinking a few brewski's at break?

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27 minutes ago, South Alabam said:

Well you know AOC and the Israel hater are two of the 30.

AOC and Omar are two, but I would include those that I call the Young Turks, the hardcore Socialists but not necessarily only the freshmen Representatives.  And the majority of those running for President trying to out-Left the others.  When and how did we ever lose the Democratic Party to Socialism?  And now, we are starting to lose the Republican Party to the same poison.  It’s hard for me to envision how these people can get so caught up in Socialism even when the history is readily available?  I give them credit for at least identifying problems but I question their understanding and intentions.  We need to return civics to the schools and immerse everyone in the history of the Founding Documents and Founding Fathers.  People are not aware of the critical moments in the lives of the Founders that they were able to find the courage to distance us from Socialism and kindred forms of enslavement. 

 

… It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

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2 hours ago, Merc14 said:

Should be interesting to watch but many of the fire breathers here have simply skulked away and withheld comment so I am guessing we will get no apologies nor admissions of error and the angry haters will simply wait to attack on something else.  Don't ever let them forget.

They have but they are not far away.  Before it is done, events will occur from time to times that will appear to rekindle their spite but it will be short lived.  They will never admit their error.

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18 hours ago, and then said:

Care to clarify that?  He's been investigated for over 2 years.  He made ZERO claims of executive privilege and allowed every member of his administration to sit down for hours with Mueller's thugs.  He turned over every piece of paper they requested.  How is that stonewalling, Sparky?  After ALL OF THAT... he sees the House wanting to do it all AGAIN for the next two years and he has told them to pound sand.  SCREW them and the horses they rode in on.

That NOT ENOUGH!!! He's been uncooperative by hiding the evidence of all the crimes he's been commiting for decades right up through his presidency. He just won't admit the truth.

I'm still enjoying the hell out of this andthen.

17 hours ago, Gromdor said:

Heh, you clarified it pretty well.  After Mueller's report said it was up to Congress decide, Trump clammed right up and is stopping any of his minions from speaking.  This declassifying to attack his attackers should give the public and congress some answers that he has been so recently working so hard to hide.  Mainly, "What were all the reasons why the FBI and intelligence agencies had to investigate him for in the first place?", "What all did they find that caused them to continue the investigation?", and "What were the thoughts of the professionals that were investigating him?"

Hearing them from the actual mouths of the investigators under oath should be interesting.

Clammed right up. Scared I'm sure. So at what point to you tell the police to either charge you with something or screw off? Is it different for congress? Do they have the authority to harass someone until one side or the other dies of exhaustion? After a certain point, if they haven't presented a crime or a charge I believe it is withing anybody's, even the president's, God given rights to tell them to eat shlt.

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3 hours ago, Merc14 said:

That will be the most press De Blasio gets this campaign season. :lol:   That said, he is perfectly healthy, Hillary passed out constantly and I have been assured by the democrats on this forum that she is/was in perfect health and I am sure Nadler gets the same immunity.  :rolleyes:

See I told you he was just fine, didn't even faint according to his people.  :rolleyes: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/powerful-democrat-rep-jerry-nadler-has-health-scare-at-nyc-event

What is this miracle drug the democrats are all on that make us see them faint when it really never happened? 

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17 minutes ago, F3SS said:

That NOT ENOUGH!!! He's been uncooperative by hiding the evidence of all the crimes he's been commiting for decades right up through his presidency. He just won't admit the truth.

I'm still enjoying the hell out of this andthen.

Clammed right up. Scared I'm sure. So at what point to you tell the police to either charge you with something or screw off? Is it different for congress? Do they have the authority to harass someone until one side or the other dies of exhaustion? After a certain point, if they haven't presented a crime or a charge I believe it is withing anybody's, even the president's, God given rights to tell them to eat shlt.

Hate to break it to you, but the police will investigate you even after you die if you aren't cleared of being a suspect in a crime.  You can tell em to p*** off all you want, but you can't stop them. 

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18 minutes ago, F3SS said:

Do they have the authority to harass someone until one side or the other dies of exhaustion?

At this rate, Trump will outlast them.  First Hilary collapses, then Nadler.  Pelosi looks like she is on the verge.  The coroner will enter TDS on their death certificates.

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29 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

At this rate, Trump will outlast them.  First Hilary collapses, then Nadler.  Pelosi looks like she is on the verge.  The coroner will enter TDS on their death certificates.

When you take time to really consider the truth of these altercations he has with the press, politicians and scummy lawyers - but I repeat myself - has he actually LOST in any significant way?  He ALWAYS seems to come out on top, eventually.  It's almost uncanny.  If I were his enemy, I might be a bit wary of taking him on... :w00t:

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31 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

Hate to break it to you, but the police will investigate you even after you die if you aren't cleared of being a suspect in a crime.  You can tell em to p*** off all you want, but you can't stop them. 

There has to be a crime to investigate. What exactly are they investigating? They're not. They're just fishing.

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1 minute ago, and then said:

When you take time to really consider the truth of these altercations he has with the press, politicians and scummy lawyers - but I repeat myself - has he actually LOST in any significant way?  He ALWAYS seems to come out on top, eventually.  It's almost uncanny.  If I were his enemy, I might be a bit wary of taking him on... :w00t:

And in 2025 when he's out of office he'll be a billionaire with precious few years to live and a lot of vengeance to seek. If I were him I'd hire 2 dozen lawyers and file frivilous lawsuits against all those who harrassed him for 8 years making their life miserable through bs litigation.

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4 hours ago, Merc14 said:

What will be most fun to watch is how long the MSM can avoid talking about what will be a very big scandal/crime.  what a quandary they have in that they have kept their mushroom like audience in the dark and fed them nothing but impeachment and Trump is going down ****e for two years and now, what we all knew two years ago is blowing up just as predicted and the mushrooms on the left, the loyal feeders ate the MSM trough, hasn't a clue it is coming.   Will they be angry at their exalted talking heads?  Will they feel embarrassed about being so utterly clueless when it was all right there to see?  

Should be interesting to watch but many of the fire breathers here have simply skulked away and withheld comment so I am guessing we will get no apologies nor admissions of error and the angry haters will simply wait to attack on something else.  Don't ever let them forget.

Noodle neck Schiff has this to say about declassifying. 

"While Trump stonewalls the public from learning the truth about his obstruction of justice,

Trump and Barr conspire to weaponize law enforcement and classified information against their political enemies.

The coverup has entered a new and dangerous phase.

This is un-American."

 

 

 

So declassifying Russia probe documents and ordering intelligence agencies to cooperate in a legitimate investigation is "weaponizing law enforcement."  Nah, sounds like Schiff is starting to panic, because he knows the whole basis for the investigation into him is based on lies and set ups.

The Steele Dossier alleging "Russian" connection was all B.S tied to Trump.

FBI agents out to get Trump wanting to get a spy warrant renewed but how...

The DNC was supposedly hacked by "Russians" but the FBI never looked at the servers and instead relied on a 3rd party (who happened to know all about Russian hacking etc..) and names we all know, Nelly, Fusion GPS, CrowdStrike, ETC.. Just unprecedented happenings but not when Hillary Clinton is involved.

Trump Jr appears to have been set up by some, me included, before anyone in the media even said a word about it. Too much "RUSSIAN" crap kept popping up tying Trump to Russia, so It just looked to suspicious.  Even if the meeting had went down as described then Hillary might be sitting in jail, too good to be true. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-russia-lawyer_n_59624746e4b0615b9e922779

Papadopolous appears to have been set up.  https://patriots4truth.org/2019/03/28/papadopoulos-was-set-up-by-mifsud-and-halper/

And he hired a couple of sleazy people that didn't need to be in DC anyway and they got caught, too bad.

 

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44 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

Hate to break it to you, but the police will investigate you even after you die if you aren't cleared of being a suspect in a crime.  You can tell em to p*** off all you want, but you can't stop them. 

People start screaming harrassment.

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