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Setton
1 hour ago, RoofGardener said:

I am 70% confident that 67% of your statistics are only 35% accurate ! :D 

They're not my statistics, they're aztek's. Kind of what started this whole thing off. 

So I thank you for your support. 

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Ogbin
18 hours ago, Black Red Devil said:

Comparing, your front door can be similar to border control checkpoints that most countries have in place

Question. What good are check points on an unsecured border?

18 hours ago, Black Red Devil said:

and your alarm systems can be similar to drone and satellite surveillance that are probably what most countries will have in the future.

 We have both drones and satellites that we use to track down people who have found no resistance in crossing our border. Without an effective way of stopping/slowing down illegal border crossings nothing will change. How exactly are we stop illegal crossings? Do you have an alternative solution to the wall?

19 hours ago, Black Red Devil said:

Your fencing example doesn't have to be this 'big beautiful wall' Trump describes when you scale it up to a border,

Yes it does if it is to work effectively. We're not trying to stop the cows from getting out you know, we're trying to keep the cartels and other unsavory people from getting in. Our economy cannot sustain all these illegals for much longer, holding them in detention facility's, feeding them, clothing them, giving them jobs that would otherwise go to American citizens, medically taking care of them, fighting the crime that they bring with them, the money that they send out of the country, and everything else that comes with illegal immigrants. 

19 hours ago, Black Red Devil said:

but it can be simple fences, barriers, ditches that don't cost an arm and a leg.

I see.. you want to make it less of a challenge for people to illegally cross our border.

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2 hours ago, Ogbin said:

Question. What good are check points on an unsecured border?

 We have both drones and satellites that we use to track down people who have found no resistance in crossing our border. Without an effective way of stopping/slowing down illegal border crossings nothing will change. How exactly are we stop illegal crossings? Do you have an alternative solution to the wall?

Yes it does if it is to work effectively. We're not trying to stop the cows from getting out you know, we're trying to keep the cartels and other unsavory people from getting in. Our economy cannot sustain all these illegals for much longer, holding them in detention facility's, feeding them, clothing them, giving them jobs that would otherwise go to American citizens, medically taking care of them, fighting the crime that they bring with them, the money that they send out of the country, and everything else that comes with illegal immigrants. 

I see.. you want to make it less of a challenge for people to illegally cross our border.

Don't be naive.  You highlight two common problems everyone is aware of, illegal immigration and drugs.  Well drugs enter the US mainly via ports and cars crossing at checkpoints.  It's well documented that very few drug trails go via the desert or open land because they're easily picked up by surveillance.  Illegal immigration from Mexico is actually on the decline and has been since 2004 (before Trump) and many migrants come by overstaying their visas, via the Canadian border etc.  The border wall could cost 10's of billions of dollars and probably wouldn't even reduce the amount of drugs or illegals.

The cartels ARE a problem not only to the US but to the rest of the world.  More than half of the world drug distribution is Mexican cartel related and there is a lot of suspicion CIA agents have their muddy hands in it too.  As the POTUS Trump could do a lot more than erect a simple wall but because he committed himself to one of his main electoral promises of 'building this beautiful great big wall', he's stuck with it now.

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Farmer77
11 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

How ‘bout a barrier strategically placed along a 2000 mile stretch?  Doesn’t matter how big it is.  The integrity of a cell wall in any organism is obvious.  Without the individual cells, there wouldn’t be an organism.  This wall functions in very much the same way.

How bout a mixture of barriers and technology?

11 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

No one is suggesting otherwise.

Trump administration waives environmental laws to build border wall

11 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

Because you refuse to get into and/or ignore the details.

Yet between us im the one who knew he had already started waiving environmental laws to build the wall..........weird .

 

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Farmer77
9 hours ago, Ogbin said:

What is the better solution? Is there a more efficient way of securing the unsecured border area's? What is it that you in mind? And remember, no talking points allowed, only solutions.;)

All the things that are required with a wall: seismic sensors, drone and blimp surveillance, radar and of course manpower. Just without the cost,environmental destruction and negative connotations of a wall, particularly in environmentally sensitive areas.

10 hours ago, Ogbin said:

. But that involves both sides coming together to work for a common goal. I know.. to much to ask for,

You mean like congress offering a billion or so dollars to start the wall? That seemed like coming together. AKA compromise. 

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RavenHawk
19 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

How bout a mixture of barriers and technology?

Barriers are technology.  What do you think a wall is?  It is the whole kit’n’kaboodle.  Haven’t you seen my rants describing what a wall includes?  I’m sure I’ve done it a few times in this thread alone.

 

30 different environmental laws and regulations?  Are you serious?  We need fewer of each.  Imposing law after law does not conserve anything.  I really doubt that a wall will effect bird and butterfly migrations.  That doesn’t mean that I’m not concerned with wildlife and environments like the Santa Ana Refuge, but what do you do?  Now maybe if the Progs would come onboard and include their voice on how to deal with each situation, we can find workable solutions.  You can always build the wall up to the refuge on either side and incorporate the refuge itself into the wall.  But then, that is where illegals will traipse through destroying the environment anyway.  I think they are going to have to enlarge the refuge then if it is so important.  Some sacrifice will be needed.

 

Yet between us im the one who knew he had already started waiving environmental laws to build the wall..........weird .

Oh, I knew about that their would be waivers but that is hardly the details.  The details would be the complete list of what those waivers are?  Did you list them?

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Farmer77
7 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

We need fewer of each.

Yeah that speaks volume about you and your ability to comprehend the world around you. That's all.

8 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

Now maybe if the Progs would come onboard and include their voice on how to deal with each situation, we can find workable solutions. 

Im really curious do you think these faux cries for bipartisanship are fooling us or do ya'll just keep repeating them to make yourselves feel better?

Why Trump Isn’t Taking Democrats’ Offer For A Wall

 

 

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Dumbledore the Awesome

I don't know why everyone's getting so worked up about the Wall. Surely it must be obvious that, like every Trump promise (such as to introduce fascism to the United States), nothing seems to have as yet come  of it, and nothing will, because, like all politicians (and yes, he is like all politicians), everything that has and is ever likely to come out of the mouth of the Great Dictator is nothing but Hot Air. 

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Phaeton80
1 hour ago, Vlad the Mighty said:

I don't know why everyone's getting so worked up about the Wall. Surely it must be obvious that, like every Trump promise (such as to introduce fascism to the United States), nothing seems to have as yet come  of it, and nothing will, because, like all politicians (and yes, he is like all politicians), everything that has and is ever likely to come out of the mouth of the Great Dictator is nothing but Hot Air. 


A perfect closing comment to this thread, or.. well.. it should be. How about building said wall, make it three miles high, and keep all Americans in (that includes the US military). 

Id go for that.

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RavenHawk
10 hours ago, Farmer77 said:

Yeah that speaks volume about you and your ability to comprehend the world around you. That's all.

Well thank you.  It speaks volumes about you too.  You seem to think that big government is the solution to everything and that every other nation does the same, they must be right.  Yeah, I’d say that’s comprehending American history real well.

 

Im really curious do you think these faux cries for bipartisanship are fooling us or do ya'll just keep repeating them to make yourselves feel better?

It’s more like a pipe dream, wishing that the Progs would consider what’s best for the country instead of maintaining their dwindling power grab.  Trump is going to accomplish what he set out to do.  There is more than one way to skin a cat.  If things don’t change for the Progs by 2020, Trump will win a second term.  They will have no platform and will become more impotent than they are now.  And between TDS and the real collusion investigation about to start, I don’t see much hope for the Progs.

 

This is a poorly written article and out dated.  The current offer on the table is the one proposed by Trump.  Daca (more than what the Progs originally proposed) for the wall.  Not part of a wall but the whole thing.  To me, that sounds like a win-win all the way around.  But Progs don’t know how to negotiate a deal.  To them, a deal is ‘our way or the highway’.  Trump isn’t a moderate milk toast of the Establishment Republicans.  He understands the language of the Progs when they say, ‘let’s pass a bill for Daca now, and then later, we’ll discuss the wall’.  When later comes, there is no money for the wall.  That kind of negotiation is done.  I think most Conservatives are open to some kind of amnesty for Daca.  Most of these children *ARE* American and the crimes of their parents should not be used against them.  At the same time, most of these children know the truth behind their parent’s transgression and have not come forward.  That is conspiracy.  But, if a special one-time deal is made for a favorable disposition of Daca for closing the border, including building a wall (a big beautiful wall, whatever form it takes), the majority of Americans would be in favor of it.  But the Progs will never stand for it.  It takes two willing parties to properly go back and forth in negotiating a deal.  The Progs do not want one because the only way they can stay in power is to continually flood this nation with illegal immigrants.  Under Trump, you come in legally or you don’t come in at all.  That is one duty of the President.

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RoofGardener
9 hours ago, Phaeton80 said:


A perfect closing comment to this thread, or.. well.. it should be. How about building said wall, make it three miles high, and keep all Americans in (that includes the US military). 

Id go for that.

I'm reminded of a joke. 

An Australian and a Saudi are drinking in a bar. The Saudi absent-mindedly rubs his beer bottle, and WOOSH.. a Genie pops out and grants them each one wish. 

The Saudi says... "Inshallah.. I would like a Great Wall to be built around the Holy Lands, so that Muslims cannot be invaded or corrupted by the Kufir."

The Genie waves his hand, and intones... "IT IS DONE. 

It then turns to the Australian, and states "AND WHAT IS YOUR WISH, KUFIR ? "

The Australian ponders for a moment, and then says to the Genie... "Tell me a little about this wall ? "

The Genie intones..."IT IS 5 MILES TALL, COMPLETELY ENCIRCLES THE HOLY LANDS OF THE MUSLIMS, AND IS UTTERLY INVIOLATE FROM ANY PHYSICAL FORCE, OR ENERGY"

The Australian ponders further.. and then says..... "Genie ? My wish is....... "

"YES ? "

"My wish is that..."

"YEEESSSSS ? " 

"You should take this encircling wall..... "

"YEEEEESSSSSSSSSS  ?"

"... and fill it with water". 

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RavenHawk
13 hours ago, Vlad the Mighty said:

I don't know why everyone's getting so worked up about the Wall. Surely it must be obvious that, like every Trump promise (such as to introduce fascism to the United States), nothing seems to have as yet come  of it, and nothing will, because, like all politicians (and yes, he is like all politicians), everything that has and is ever likely to come out of the mouth of the Great Dictator is nothing but Hot Air. 

When did he promise to introduce fascism?  As I remember, he said that America would never be Socialist.  I know, you get confused with the terms, so let’s cut to the chase.  What’s the difference between Fascism and Socialism or any other type of government?  Only the manner in which it enslaves the people.  It is what they have in common that is important.  *ALL* governments over time become tyrannical, no exceptions.  Some take longer than others but they all do.  Even this one had begun to head in that direction.  It started under Wilson and it culminated under Obama.  They do this because there are no proper limits on government.  One did.  It is still the only one.  Many come close but this one is the only one.  And it was proved out when Obama/Hilary was defeated.  We now know that the type of government that our Founding Fathers gave us had the answer.  Socialism as a generic term is what Trump uses to name the Beast and he is turning the tyranny back on the government itself, freeing the people.

 

You can keep cherry-picking Trump’s accomplishments all you want.  I would think that as the more successful he is, the more severe wild-spread TDS arises.  Just this past Friday, I caught a report on the NBC Nightly news.  They had to talk about how well the economy is doing with 263,000 jobs added last month.  They couldn’t help but to mention Obama and how the unemployment rate started to drop under him.  This is the kind of dishonesty that just doesn’t hold water anymore.  The reason that the unemployment rate dropped under Obama was that people were leaving the workforce, being discouraged.  Now jobs are back and people are getting back into the workforce.  I suspect that as we near 2020, the unemployment will tick up a bit and the Progs will try to spin it that Trump’s economy is faltering, but the fact will be that in a healthy economy with full participation, the normal unemployment rate is between 4 and 5 percent.  And it is very transient.  People are staying unemployed for only a few months at most.

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Farmer77
11 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

This is a poorly written article and out dated.  The current offer on the table is the one proposed by Trump. 

OMG so the past doesnt matter at all? The dear leader didnt get what he wanted so its not an effort at compromise? Holy hell you're a special kind of cult member huh? :lol:

11 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

Well thank you.  It speaks volumes about you too.  You seem to think that big government is the solution to everything and that every other nation does the same, they must be right.  Yeah, I’d say that’s comprehending American history real well.

Yes...i am a robot....I think all the things that Tucker Carlson tells you I think....beep boop .

 

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RavenHawk
35 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

OMG so the past doesnt matter at all? The dear leader didnt get what he wanted so its not an effort at compromise? Holy hell you're a special kind of cult member huh? :lol:

You never go with the first offer.  That is key to making a good deal.  If Trump would have been happy with 60 (and only he knows that) but makes the offer of 100.  Then the other person will offer 50.  Trump comes back with 75 and then the other will counter with 70.  Deal!  The Progs don’t know how to negotiate.  It is in this process where Trump can see how serious someone is.  The Progs are not serious.  When they show that they are serious about the border, then he’ll reciprocate on Daca.  Q.E.D.  The pendulum is swinging back and the Progs are standing in the way.

 

Yes...i am a robot....I think all the things that Tucker Carlson tells you I think....beep boop

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I don’t always agree with Tucker.  I.e. I believe that the invasion of Iraq was necessary.  We stopped the proliferation of WMDs by getting the most dangerous one, Saddam.  But I would rather take what Tucker has to say rather then your cutie, Rachel Madcow.  you could spend all day suckling at her teet.

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Farmer77
3 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

The Progs don’t know how to negotiate.

You....you do understand that the republicans also agreed to that deal right?

Oh wait of course you do. Theyre just not your god emperor Trump so it doesnt matter :lol: OMG its truly becoming comical. Ok well the overall situation isnt but you little ****ers sure are

1 minute ago, RavenHawk said:

I don’t always agree with Tucker.  I.e. I believe that the invasion of Iraq was necessary.  We stopped the proliferation of WMDs by getting the most dangerous one, Saddam.  But I would rather take what Tucker has to say rather then your cutie, Rachel Madcow.  you could spend all day suckling at her teet.

You guys really need new bumper stickers. A rachel maddow joke? Sighhhhhhh

It is weird how she is more manly than he is though.

 

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RavenHawk
6 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

You....you do understand that the republicans also agreed to that deal right?

You mean the milk toast Establishment Rinos?

 

Oh wait of course you do. Theyre just not your god emperor Trump so it doesnt matter OMG its truly becoming comical. Ok well the overall situation isnt but you little ****ers sure are

I’m going to bed here shortly and dream of other things besides Trump.  Trump lives rent free in your head.  When you go to bed, you have wet dreams of hatred.

 

You guys really need new bumper stickers. A rachel maddow joke?

Between Madcow and Hirono making a joke of the Progs, Trump is a shoe-in in 2020. 

 

Sighhhhhhh  It is weird how she is more manly than he is though.

How can she be more manly?  Masculinity is toxic.

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Farmer77
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12 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

You mean the milk toast Establishment Rinos?

Again your lack of touch with reality is scary. Those same people you call Rinos are full fledged Trump sycophants.  Thats how the cult mind works though, i get it, they arent and cant possiblty be subservient enough to the Great One. Them agreeing to a deal that Trump didnt like is a threat to the dear leader in his cult members' eyes so you lash out. Its OK

You can rest easy and be nice to those poor folks in congress though as soon as Trump said no they all obediently packed up their briefcases and headed home for the day without it hitting the floor. 

But of course you know this right :rolleyes: (pssst I know that you didnt but ill pretend in public to be polite)

 

 

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RoofGardener
2 hours ago, Farmer77 said:

Yes...i am a robot....I think all the things that Tucker Carlson tells you I think....beep boop .

Hee hee.. well.. at least Tucker Carlson ENCOURAGES you to think, unlike CNN, MSNBC etc which TELL you what you SHOULD be thinking. 

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Farmer77
Just now, RoofGardener said:

Hee hee.. well.. at least Tucker Carlson ENCOURAGES you to think, unlike CNN, MSNBC etc which TELL you what you SHOULD be thinking. 

LMAO go away with that garbage no he doesnt he tells you exactly what to think  :lol:

I genuinely dont watch MSNBC so i cant speak for them but Tucker Carlson is absolutely every bit the evangelist for white supremacy and conservatism as any CNN host is for decency and liberalism.

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RoofGardener
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50 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

LMAO go away with that garbage no he doesnt he tells you exactly what to think  :lol:

I genuinely dont watch MSNBC so i cant speak for them but Tucker Carlson is absolutely every bit the evangelist for white supremacy and conservatism as any CNN host is for decency and liberalism.

ROFL... have you ever WATCHED the Tucker Carlson show ? 

Or for that matter, CNN ? :P 

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Farmer77
2 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

ROFL... have you ever WATCHED the Tucker Carlson show ? 

I have. I read a couple of articles on extremist groups earlier in the year and he is apparently the white supremacist oprah which really didnt match with my remembrances of the bowtie wearing dweeb so I did some catching up and holy hell he is an awful awful human being.

Menu Home Why Do White Supremacists Love Tucker Carlson So Much?      

White Nationalist Site Thanks Fox's Tucker Carlson for Primetime Shoutout, PayPal Conspiracy Theory

 

CNN, you cant make jokes like that, my masters will be mad that im not getting the message out well enough. :o

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Dumbledore the Awesome
1 hour ago, Farmer77 said:

LMAO go away with that garbage no he doesnt he tells you exactly what to think  :lol:

I genuinely dont watch MSNBC so i cant speak for them but Tucker Carlson is absolutely every bit the evangelist for white supremacy and conservatism as any CNN host is for decency and liberalism.

 I missed that bit. CNN is for Decency and Liberalism (and Truth, Justice and Apple Pie)?! :lol: Or were you being saracastic. "Tucker Carlson is absolutely every bit the evangelist for white supremacy and conservatism as any CNN host is for decency and liberalism!" ?  

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Farmer77
11 minutes ago, Vlad the Mighty said:

 I missed that bit. CNN is for Decency and Liberalism (and Truth, Justice and Apple Pie)?! :lol: 

I was wondering if anyone was gonna pick up on that :lol:

12 minutes ago, Vlad the Mighty said:

Or were you being saracastic. "Tucker Carlson is absolutely every bit the evangelist for white supremacy and conservatism as any CNN host is for decency and liberalism!" ?  

Well I made the decency part out of jest but remove that bit and the statement stands as true.

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RoofGardener
5 hours ago, Farmer77 said:

I was wondering if anyone was gonna pick up on that :lol:

Well I made the decency part out of jest but remove that bit and the statement stands as true.

I watch Tucker Carlson episodes on Youtube occasionally. 

He exposes the intellectual bankruptcy of "The Left".. but.. I've never heard him espouse views of "White Supremacy" @Farmer77

Here's a thing: either cite examples of where he evangelises for White Supremacy, or formally withdraw your comment ? :) 

Over to you :)

 

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Wall of the Week. 

The Indian-Bangladesh Wall 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladesh–India_border#India–Bangladesh_barrier

3400Km long. 

Intended to keep out migrants and drug smugglers. (hmmm... where have we heard THAT before ? )

success: yes. 

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/95-per-cent-work-on-new-fence-along-bangladesh-border-complete-bsf-dg/articleshow/60378098.cms

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