"Terrorists" kill 200+ in Sri Lanka

[Golden Duck]

16 minutes ago, susieice said:

Tarrant never claimed to be a Christian that I'm aware of. I didn't read the whole manifesto but I did find this link. Brevik apparently believed that a person could be a Christian agnostic or a Christian atheist. 

https://blog.acton.org/archives/107226-what-did-the-christchurch-mosque-shooter-believe-inside-the-mind-of-a-collectivist-killer.html

From link:

Did the Christchurch mosque shooter claim to be a Christian?

Answering whether Brenton Tarrant is a Christian is, in his words, “complicated. When I know, I will tell you.”The complication may be a semantic distinction derived from Breivik’s notion that it is possible to be a cultural Christian without believing in God. Breivik wrote that his followers “don’t need to have a personal relationship with God or Jesus to fight for our Christian cultural heritage. It is enough that you are a Christian-agnostic or a Christian atheist.”

How would a Christian respond?

Christianity begins with a belief in the divinity of Jesus Christ as expressed in the Apostles or Nicene Creed. Building on the divine commandment to “love your neighbor as yourself,” Christianity has led the way in affirming the innate human dignity of all life from conceptionto natural death, irrespective of ethnicity, religion, nationality, sex, or disability. Every murder, especially the mass killing of innocent civilians at prayer, is a tragedy that violates Western values.

Life must be taken only by lawful authorities after the commission of a crime, as determined by just laws rooted in natural law and right reason.

Speaking as a member of the Eastern Christian tradition, I am unaware of a single church canon forbidding marriage between members of two ethnic groups in the 2,000-year history of the Christian Church and its ecclesiastical law. However, ethnic separatism has been condemned as anti-Christian.

Tarrant didn't mention a single denomination of Christianity.  

He describes his family as apathetic and apolitical with interests in animal rights, environmentalism and tax.

He was about preserving European culture - code for white.

Any Christian tradition is the same secular Christianity Dawkins speaks of.

[+susieice]

3 minutes ago, Black Red Devil said:

Yes he did.  It may have not been the Christian that everyone aspires to be but then again, that was the point of my post.  Muslims can claim the same that Islamic terrorists don't represent Muslims.  Tarrant believed in reviving the Knight Templars.  I'm sure you know who they were and while they weren't your everyday pious Christian, they did claim to fight in the name of Christianity.

His reference to the Knight Templars seems to have also come from Breivik.

https://heavy.com/news/2019/03/brenton-tarrant-anders-breivik-knights-templar/

[Black Red Devil]

4 minutes ago, susieice said:

Not in so many words, no. He did bring up Christianity but didn't say he was one. I wasn't aware he mentioned the Knight Templars.

Apparently his hero Brevik was the one that inspired him in his Knight Templar quest.

Just saw your previous post now.

Edited April 24, 2019 by Black Red Devil

[Golden Duck]

4 minutes ago, Black Red Devil said:

Yes he did.  It may have not been the Christian that everyone aspires to be but then again, that was the point of my post.  Muslims can claim the same that Islamic terrorists don't represent Muslims.  Tarrant believed in reviving the Knight Templars.  I'm sure you know who they were and while they weren't your everyday pious Christian, they did claim to fight in the name of Christianity.

He said he got approval from a revived Knights Templars as if that's even a thing.

[+susieice]

1 minute ago, Golden Duck said:

Tarrant didn't mention a single denomination of Christianity.  

He describes his family as apathetic and apolitical with interests in animal rights, environmentalism and tax.

He was about preserving European culture - code for white.

Any Christian tradition is the same secular Christianity Dawkins speaks of.

No. He did mention the Knight Templars though. Posted the link. That seems to have come from Breivik also. It seems he talked to them before he committed the murders.

[+susieice]

1 minute ago, Black Red Devil said:

Apparently his hero Brevik was the one that inspired him in his Knight Templar quest.

Just saw your previous post now.

I wasn't aware of this Templar group until you mentioned it. Like I told Golden Duck, it seems he talked to them. Breivik was his hero.

[Black Red Devil]

1 minute ago, Golden Duck said:

He said he got approval from a revived Knights Templars as if that's even a thing.

Now compare that to suicidal Islamic terrorists being inspired by some abstract belief from something in the Quran.  Any different?

[Farmer77]

6 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

Any Christian tradition is the same secular Christianity Dawkins speaks of.

Anymore it sure feels like thats all thats left.

[Black Red Devil]

3 minutes ago, susieice said:

I wasn't aware of this Templar group until you mentioned it. Like I told Golden Duck, it seems he talked to them. Breivik was his hero.

My point being that Tarrant doesn't represent Christians but he thought he was fighting in the name of Christianity, similar to the Knight Templars. 

[+susieice]

1 minute ago, Black Red Devil said:

Now compare that to suicidal Islamic terrorists being inspired by some abstract belief from something in the Quran.  Any different?

The goal of the Knight Templars was to regain control of the holy lands during the crusades. As far as saying he was Christian, he was following Breivik's claims of Christian agnostics and atheists being able to act because of their Christian culture. There was no belief in God there, so it would be far from proper Christianity. Just use of the term of Christian, which does seem like how these terrorists use the term of Islam.

[Black Red Devil]

Anyway, I don't even know why I'm even getting involved in discussing good and bad Muslims and Christians.  I don't believe in any of that stuff.  There are only good people and bad people.

[Black Red Devil]

6 minutes ago, susieice said:

The goal of the Knight Templars was to regain control of the holy lands during the crusades. As far as saying he was Christian, he was following Breivik's claims of Christian agnostics and atheists being able to act because of their Christian culture. There was no belief in God there, so it would be far from proper Christianity. Just use of the term of Christian, which does seem like how these terrorists use the term of Islam.

Exactly

[Golden Duck]

11 minutes ago, susieice said:

No. He did mention the Knight Templars though. Posted the link. That seems to have come from Breivik also. It seems he talked to them before he committed the murders.

Reborn Knights Templar is an allusion to purported contact with Breivik - something that is said to be unlikely by Breivik's lawyer and could be easily substantiated by authorities.

The Reborn Knights Templar is fictional... for the time being. The idea only exists because of perceived Islamic immigration. There is no scripture per se.

[+susieice]

20 minutes ago, Black Red Devil said:

Anyway, I don't even know why I'm even getting involved in discussing good and bad Muslims and Christians.  I don't believe in any of that stuff.  There are only good people and bad people.

I know but religion is what's being used here. I don't understand Breivik at all. There are Christians all over the world in every nationality and so this had nothing to do with race. Yet he killed Norwegians. If I remember right, they were young people at some sort of political retreats. Was this a veiled attack on their political system because of immigration?

Edited April 24, 2019 by susieice

[Golden Duck]

23 minutes ago, Black Red Devil said:

Now compare that to suicidal Islamic terrorists being inspired by some abstract belief from something in the Quran.  Any different?

And Tarrant quoted which bits from The Bible?

Tarrant actually denies being anti-Muslim. Just a nationalist that says there shouldn't be any mixing. Purely secular white-supremacist terrorism

[Golden Duck]

24 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

Anymore it sure feels like thats all thats left.

Not sure what you mean. There's still people practicing religion - Dawkins doesn't. 

Secular Christian Tradition is just about holidays.

[+susieice]

1 minute ago, Golden Duck said:

Not sure what you mean. There's still people practicing religion - Dawkins doesn't. 

Secular Christian Tradition is just about holidays.

Yes. People who celebrate Easter for the bunnies and the baskets. Christmas for the presents. They aren't Christians and don't attend churches to worship as a Christian. 

[Golden Duck]

27 minutes ago, susieice said:

Just use of the term of Christian, which does seem like how these terrorists use the term of Islam.

But I'm guessing that they would have the same grievance if there was a perceived immigration problem with Christian Phillipino or Latino immigrants.

It's purely about the White European.

Edited April 24, 2019 by Golden Duck

[Black Red Devil]

3 minutes ago, susieice said:

I know but religion is what's being used here. I don't understand Breivik at all. There are Christians all over the world in every nationality and so this had nothing to do with race. Yet he killed Norwegians. 

He blamed lefties for supporting Islamic immigration.  Sound familiar?

[+susieice]

Just now, Golden Duck said:

But I'm guessing that they would have the same grimace if there was a perceived immigration problem with Christian Phillipino or Latino immigrants.

It's purely about the White European.

But Breivik's attack was on Norwegians. 

[Farmer77]

Just now, Golden Duck said:

Not sure what you mean. There's still people practicing religion - Dawkins doesn't. 

Secular Christian Tradition is just about holidays.

Largely it seems like the religion itself has become little more than a political movement. Yes they are practicing a religion in the sense that they are going to church on sunday and small group on Thursday but in my experience many if not the majority are walking a very fine line between having tribalistic views because of religion and just using religion as a cover for their tribalistic views.

 

[Golden Duck]

17 minutes ago, susieice said:

I know but religion is what's being used here. I don't understand Breivik at all. There are Christians all over the world in every nationality and so this had nothing to do with race. Yet he killed Norwegians. If I remember right, they were young people at some sort of political retreats. Was this a veiled attack on their political system because of immigration.

They were murdered because they supported multiculturalism. I suppose my children and I would be in the scope.

[Golden Duck]

8 minutes ago, susieice said:

But Breivik's attack was on Norwegians. 

Yes a Socialist Youth League. His grievance was against Muslims in Europe and called for their deportation. 

[Black Red Devil]

16 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

And Tarrant quoted which bits from The Bible?

Tarrant actually denies being anti-Muslim. Just a nationalist that says there shouldn't be any mixing. Purely secular white-supremacist terrorism

Well that's an oxymoron considering what he did.  Why didn't he target Maori's if he was a white supremacist?  Answer: because he believed in Knight Templars and what they believed in.  Translated into, fighting the Islamic invaders.

[Golden Duck]

Just now, Black Red Devil said:

Well that's an oxymoron considering what he did.  Why didn't he target Maori's if he was a white supremacist?  Answer: because he believed in Knight Templars and what they believed in.  Translated into, fighting the Islamic invaders.

No. He believed Muslims should stay in there original location. He draws the analogy of the world and a rainbow - everything should stay in its own place. 

The oxymoron is the European colonization.