"Terrorists" kill 200+ in Sri Lanka

[Phaeton80]

On 27-4-2019 at 11:03 AM, itsnotoutthere said:

I am indeed implying it is Islams fault, but not Muslims fault. The religion of Islam needs a long overdue reformation, something which most other religions have been through. The muslims that do kill hundreds if not thousands of innocent people every year do it in the name of their god, I don't know of any other religious group that do this. 

Oh and I do not believe that all muslims are terrorists, but the undeniable truth is that the majority of terrorists are muslim.

But if you are quite happy to be an apologist for this sort of behaviour then so be it.

What (non extremist) Islam needs most is for the US and GB to stop directly and indirectly financing the homeland / source of the main extremist ideology, thereby facilitating and consolidating its distribution throughout the ME region as well as the West. What Islam needs, is for thesame foreign powers to stop initiating wars of agression against Islamic nations, leaving them in utter chaos and dismay; in turn fomenting optimal terrorrist breedinggrounds.

Before 2001, Muslim extremism was not even close to a semblance of the global threat it is now. Why would that be.. it isnt 'globalisation', and it isnt 'multiculturalism'. Its so very easy to lament this religion based on the popular assenine stereotypical projections we in the West have been inundated with by the usual Islamophobish elements (backwards, terror, invasive, maltreatment of women etc etc), its not so easy to regard the situation in a broader sense, including our own hands in all this.

Imagine if Eastern nations would have pummeled the West and Christianity over several decades, supporting the political source(s) of extremist ideologies and leaving the Western nations in complete and utter destruction, in turn facilitatting the already present Christian extremism to flourish.. Only for an Eastern civilian on some forum lamenting Christianity giving it complete blame for the extremism that has arisen, completely ignoring such obvious outside factors, ironically coming from the Easterners own nation's foreign policies.

Heres an opposing view which might interest you.

Edited April 28, 2019 by Phaeton80

[RoofGardener]

8 minutes ago, Phaeton80 said:

What (non extremist) Islam needs ......

There is no such thing.

All "authentic" Islam - e.g. observing scripture - mandates violence against, and conquest of, unbelievers. 

As for ".. if Eastern nations would have pummeled the West and Christianity over several decades".. well.. welcome to the latter part of the 1st millennium, and most of the 2nd millennium. In "Europe", the muslim armies conquered Spain, Italy (well, bits of it) , and nearly conquered France. 

[Phaeton80]

49 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

There is no such thing.

All "authentic" Islam - e.g. observing scripture - mandates violence against, and conquest of, unbelievers. 

As for ".. if Eastern nations would have pummeled the West and Christianity over several decades".. well.. welcome to the latter part of the 1st millennium, and most of the 2nd millennium. In "Europe", the muslim armies conquered Spain, Italy (well, bits of it) , and nearly conquered France. 

No, it does not. The mere fact you state this in such a way proves you havent a clue what youre talking about. What effort have you honestly made to study this religion? Not very much, obviously.

[odas]

On 26/04/2019 at 12:14 PM, XenoFish said:

Maybe Islam need a hardcore update. It's a highly outdated belief system and a plagiarized version of Judaism anyway. 

Does Judaism need an update as well then?

[odas]

7 hours ago, RoofGardener said:

There is no such thing.

All "authentic" Islam - e.g. observing scripture - mandates violence against, and conquest of, unbelievers. 

As for ".. if Eastern nations would have pummeled the West and Christianity over several decades".. well.. welcome to the latter part of the 1st millennium, and most of the 2nd millennium. In "Europe", the muslim armies conquered Spain, Italy (well, bits of it) , and nearly conquered France. 

Unbelievers. According to the Quran, who are they?

What about the Christian armies who concquered the Americas, Australia, Africa...

After 500 years of "muslim" coquest, the number of "infidel population" was higher then prior the conquest. Those conquered nations still exist with their national name. 

How many original inhabitants of the Americas are alive after 500 years of christian conquest? How about Australia? Where are the free nations? Reserves. That's it. You gave them the bible and took their land, to this day.

I am very critical to Islam and muslims but I will never bow down to lies and hate and semi inteligent people like your ilk.

300 palestinians are killed every year by the nazi fasicst Israeli government. No one cares. Children as young as 7 are put in jail. No one cares. All done with the blessing of your ilk. Maybe, maybe, if muslims were not killed around the world, women, children, by the western governments, openly, systematicly, "according to the law", maybe, maybe, we would not have to live in fear of yet another muslim terrorist.

[+and-then]

4 minutes ago, odas said:

maybe, maybe, we would not have to live in fear of yet another muslim terrorist.

Or maybe those within that religion could see the violence called for in their holy book and denounce it and those who execute said violence in an attempt to be viewed as holy could be shunned and brought to justice?  Or is it easier just to muddy the waters and soothe your conscience by saying they were "driven" to commit their hatred?  

[+susieice]

22 hours ago, Kismit said:

I don’t think these shooters are any good at reason. Jew/Muslim/other is apparently a threat of some sort. Plenty of online information designed to make you believe it is a issue 

Someone just sent me the letter to read. It isn't long. This guy makes Tarrant seem calm. No way was this man a happy go lucky nursing student 4 weeks ago. 

[Kismit]

1 hour ago, susieice said:

Someone just sent me the letter to read. It isn't long. This guy makes Tarrant seem calm. No way was this man a happy go lucky nursing student 4 weeks ago. 

A quiet student outwardly and inwardly being radicalised online. How many more people are being radicalised? With each attack. 

And where does it start? Does it start with intolerance being spouted online? Is there any form of online information or “news” outlets pushing the intolerance? Are there chat rooms where you can support others who are also intolerant allowing people to believe that their hate is justified? Absolutely. Every idiot who pushes the subject of intolerance slowly contributes to the radicalisation of another shooter, and worse rather than condemning the horrific act these same intolerant people tend to blame the victims.

[RoofGardener]

12 hours ago, Phaeton80 said:

No, it does not. The mere fact you state this in such a way proves you havent a clue what youre talking about. What effort have you honestly made to study this religion? Not very much, obviously.

Yes, it DOES. 

“Allah has purchased from the believers their lives and their properties; in exchange for that they will have Paradise. They fight in the cause of Allah, so they slay and are slain” (Quran 9:111).

“Truly Allah loves those who fight in His cause in battle array…” (Quran 61:4)

“Kill them [unbelievers] wherever you find them… And fight them until there is no more unbelief and worship is for Allah alone” (Quran 2:191-193).

Oh, and this from Sahih Muslim 1:33

“The Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah” (Sahih Muslim 1:33).

I could go on and on and on, Phaeton80, as you know full well. 

[RoofGardener]

5 hours ago, odas said:

Unbelievers. According to the Quran, who are they?

Anyone who doesn't believe. 

6 hours ago, odas said:

What about the Christian armies who concquered the Americas, Australia, Africa...

After 500 years of "muslim" coquest, the number of "infidel population" was higher then prior the conquest. Those conquered nations still exist with their national name. 

How many original inhabitants of the Americas are alive after 500 years of christian conquest? How about Australia? Where are the free nations? Reserves. That's it. You gave them the bible and took their land, to this day.....

An interesting observation. Where did you get the population figures from ? 

In regards colonisation vs invasion... again, and interesting point. However, the colonials are not indulging in mass terrorism TODAY. 

[RoofGardener]

Hmmm... the Sri Lankan authorities have made an unfortunate (albeit kinda understandable) decision. 

They have arranged for the army to protect mosques, in order to deter would-be retaliation attacks. 

At the same time, in order to prevent injuries from any ADDITIONAL attacks on Christians, they have closed down all the churches !

The Islamists must he chortling over THIS one. What better result could they hope for ? 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6958333/Sri-Lanka-orders-Catholic-churches-suspend-services-wake-Easter-bombings.html

https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2019/04/26/sri-lanka-deploys-security-mosques-after-fired-official-said-protecting-churches-impossible/

[Black Red Devil]

Pregnant wife of Sri Lanka bomber detonates suicide vest during raids, killing her children and three police officers

Well, she definitely went out with a bang.  Sick *****

 

[Eldorado]

Some news...

"Sri Lanka has banned all kinds of clothing that covers the face and prevents identification, such as niqabs and burqas, a week after the Easter bombings that left more than 250 people dead.

The ban does not directly refer to Muslim female garb but is seen as a clear reference to the type of dress."

At the NZ Herald: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12226165

"On Sunday, a group of Muslim leaders called on community members to refrain from wearing clothing in a manner that obstructs identification of people."

[Setton]

On 23/04/2019 at 12:56 PM, Mr.United_Nations said:

Islamic state just claimed responsibility 

Well... they would, wouldn't they? 

On 23/04/2019 at 5:05 PM, Big Jim said:

Thank you.  I've been waiting years to hear something like that.  Part of what fuels anti-Muslim feelings is the silence of most Muslims when someone commits horrific acts in the name of their faith.  When the Catholic church had their pedophile scandal there were widespread reports about people leaving the church, a shortage of priests, churches closing, etc.  It was obvious the rank and file did not support what was going on.  But we've never seen the same reaction from Muslims.  No one is burning burkas in protest, no one is calling for change.  As the old saying goes, silence means consent.  The impression is that the majority of Muslims approve of terrorist actions and therefore should share the blame.  

The only reason you think there is silence is because you look in all the wrong places. 

[RoofGardener]

24 minutes ago, Setton said:

Well... they would, wouldn't they? 

The only reason you think there is silence is because you look in all the wrong places. 

Can you give us examples of Muslims worldwide taking action to condemn these attacks ? 

[odas]

11 hours ago, and then said:

Or maybe those within that religion could see the violence called for in their holy book and denounce it and those who execute said violence in an attempt to be viewed as holy could be shunned and brought to justice?  Or is it easier just to muddy the waters and soothe your conscience by saying they were "driven" to commit their hatred?  

Violence is called for also in the Torah.

According to the Quran muslims are allowed to defend themself by all means as long as no civilians are harmed as well as enemy soldiers who put down their weapons.

What terrorists of the islamic faith are doing is against Islam and those who condone it or do not speak out against it are also against the true teaching of the Quran.

[odas]

5 hours ago, RoofGardener said:

Anyone who doesn't believe.

Who are they, according to the Quran?

[XenoFish]

God won't wipe mankind out, mankind with destroy itself in the name of god.

[Big Jim]

2 hours ago, Setton said:

Well... they would, wouldn't they? 

The only reason you think there is silence is because you look in all the wrong places. 

I shouldn't have to look for it at all.  I didn't have to look for news about the Catholic church disintegrating, it was headline news everywhere.  If it's not a big story then it's not happening on a big enough scale to matter.  I haven't heard about an imam shortage, or mosques closing, or membership dwindling as a result of Muslims wanting to disassociate themselves from their church the way Catholics did.  When and if it happens it will also be headline news.  Until then I will take their lack of dissent and protest as tacit approval of what is being done in their name.

[RoofGardener]

16 minutes ago, odas said:

Violence is called for also in the Torah.

Good point @odas. But then, how often do you hear of Jews blowing innocent civilians up around the world ? 

19 minutes ago, odas said:

According to the Quran muslims are allowed to defend themself by all means as long as no civilians are harmed as well as enemy soldiers who put down their weapons.

What terrorists of the islamic faith are doing is against Islam and those who condone it or do not speak out against it are also against the true teaching of the Quran.

Yeeeeees. Umm... "defend themselves". So they Emigrate in the Name Of Allah to a non-Muslim nation, and then complain of oppression when that nation refuses to submit to their demands, and - hey presto - they can invite the Muslim armies in to "defend themselves against the Kufir". 

Well, historically anyway. That sort of thing doesn't QUITE happen like that today. 

It is curious how so very many Islamist organisations are operating "... against the true teaching of the Koran".  Astonishingly, Al Azhar University doesn't seem to have chosen to correct any of them in their mistaken beliefs. 

Al-Shabab (Africa)

Al Murabitun (Africa)

Al-Qeada (Afghanistan)

Al-Qaeda (Islamic Maghreb)

Al-Qaeda (Indian Subcontinent)

Al-Qaeda (Arab Peninsula)

Hamas (Gaza)

Palestinian Islamic Jihad (Palestine)

Popular Front for the Liberation of (Palestine)

Hezbollah (Lebanon)

Ansar al-Sharia-Benghazi (Lebanon)

Asbat Al-Ansar (Lebanon)

ISIS (Iraq)

ISIS (Syria)

ISIS (Cauacus)

ISIS (Libya)

ISIS (Yemen)

ISIS (Algeria)

ISIS (Philippines)

Jund al-Sham (Syria/Afganistan)

Al-Mourabitoun (Lebanon)

Abdullah Azzam Brigades (Lebanon)

Al-Itihaad al-Islamiya (Somalia)

Al-Haramain Foundation (Saudi Arabia)

Ansar-Al-Sharia (Moroccon)

Moroccon Mudjadine (Morocco)

Salafia Jihadia (Morocco)

Boko Haram (Africa)

Islamic movement of (Uzbekistan)

Islamic Jihad Union (Uzbekistan)

Islamic Jihad Union (Germany)

DRW True-Religion (Germany)

Fajar Nusantara Movement (Germany)

DIK Hildesheim (Germany)

Jaish-e-Mohammed (Kashmir)

Jaish al-Muhajireen wal-Ansar (Syria)

Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (Syria)

Jamaat al Dawa al Quran (Afghanistan)

Jundallah (Iran)

Quds Force (Iran)

Kata’ib Hezbollah (Iraq)

Al-Itihaad al-Islamiya (Somalia)

Egyptian Islamic Jihad (Egypt)

Jund al-Sham (Jordan)

Fajar Nusantara Movement (Australia)

Society of the Revival of Islamic

Heritage (Terror funding, worldwide)

Taliban (Afghanistan)

Taliban (Pakistan)

Tehrik-i-Taliban (Pakistan)

Army of Islam (Syria)

Islamic Movement (Israel)

Ansar Al Sharia (Tunisia)

Mujahideen Shura Council in the Environs of (Jerusalem)

Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (Libya)

Oneness and Jihad in (West Africa)

Palestinian Islamic Jihad (Palestine)

Tevhid-Selam (Al-Quds Army)

Moroccan Islamic Combatant Group (Morocco)

Caucasus Emirate (Russia)

Dukhtaran-e-Millat Feminist Islamists (India)

Indian Mujahideen (India)

Jamaat-ul-Mujahideen (India)

Ansar al-Islam (India)

Students Islamic Movement of (India)

Harakat Mujahideen (India)

Hizbul Mujhaideen (India)

Lashkar e Islam (India)

Jund al-Khilafah (Algeria)

Turkistan Islamic Party

Egyptian Islamic Jihad (Egypt)

Great Eastern Islamic Raiders’ Front (Turkey)

Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami (Pakistan)

Tehreek-e-Nafaz-e-Shariat-e-Mohammadi (Pakistan)

Lashkar e Toyiba(Pakistan), Lashkar e Jhangvi (Pakistan) Ahle Sunnat Wal Jamaat (Pakistan)

Jamaat ul-Ahrar (Pakistan)

Harkat-ul-Mujahideen (Pakistan)

Jamaat Ul-Furquan (Pakistan)

Harkat-ul-Mujahideen (Syria)

Ansar al-Din Front (Syria)

Jabhat Fateh al-Sham (Syria)

Jamaah Anshorut Daulah (Syria)

Nour al-Din al-Zenki Movement (Syria)

Liwa al-Haqq (Syria)

Al-Tawhid Brigade (Syria)

Jund al-Aqsa (Syria)

Al-Tawhid Brigade (Syria)

Yarmouk Martyrs Brigade (Syria)

Khalid ibn al-Walid Army (Syria)

Hezb-e Islami Gulbuddin (Afganistan)

Jamaat-ul-Ahrar (Afghanistan)

Hizb ut-Tahrir (worldwide caliphate)

Hizbul Mujahideen (Kashmir)

Ansar Allah (Yemen)

Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development (USA)

Jamaat Mujahideen (India)

Jamaah Ansharut Tauhid (Indonesia)

Hizbut Tahrir (Indonesia)

Fajar Nusantara Movement (Indonesia)

Jemaah Islamiyah (Indonesia)

Jemaah Islamiyah (Philippines)

Jemaah Islamiyah (Singapore)

Jemaah Islamiyah (Thailand)

Jemaah Islamiyah (Malaysia)

Ansar Dine (Africa)

Osbat al-Ansar (Palestine)

Hizb ut-Tahrir (group connecting Islamic Caliphates across the world into one world Islamic Caliphate)

Army of the Men of the Naqshbandi Order (Iraq)

Al Nusra Front (Syria), 111. Al-Badr (Pakistan)

Islam4UK (UK)

Al Ghurabaa (UK)

Call to Submission (UK) [this is global, and accessible online]

Islamic Path (UK)

London School of Sharia (UK)

Muslims Against Crusades (UK)

Need4Khilafah (UK)

The Shariah Project (UK)

The Islamic Dawah Association (UK) [ALSO IN THE U.S.]

The Saviour Sect (UK)

Jamaat Ul-Furquan (UK) [ALSO IN THE U.S]

Minbar Ansar Deen (UK)

Al-Muhajiroun (UK) (Lee Rigby, London 2017 members)

Islamic Council of Britain (UK) (Not to be confused with Official Muslim Council of Britain) [there are also Islamic Councils in the U.S.]

Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah (UK)

Al-Gama’a (Egypt)

Al-Islamiyya (Egypt)

Armed Islamic men of (Algeria)

Salafist Group for Call and Combat (Algeria)

Ansaru (Algeria), 133.Ansar-Al-Sharia (Libya)

Al Ittihad Al Islamia (Somalia), 135.Ansar al-Sharia (Tunisia)

Al-Shabab (Africa)

al-Aqsa Foundation (Germany)

al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades (Palestine)

Abu Sayyaf (Philippines)

Aden-Abyan Islamic Army (Yemen)

Ajnad Misr (Egypt)

Abu Nidal Organization (Palestine)

Jamaah Ansharut Tauhid (Indonesia)

[odas]

1 hour ago, RoofGardener said:

Good point @odas. But then, how often do you hear of Jews blowing innocent civilians up around the world ? 

 

The first terrorist attacks in the Palestine area were commited by Jews. No one blames the Bible for it or Judaism. Christians have commited so much crime in the name of Jesus but noone blames the Bible or Jesus. But when it comes to Islam..well this is the hipocricy. By blaming Islam you, in plural, are blaming all muslims. Everyeach one. It is just a nicer way to say" no not all muslims, but Islam".

Hey, guys. You are read and thrown away like yesterdays paper. Can not fool anyone anymore.

[RoofGardener]

17 minutes ago, odas said:

The first terrorist attacks in the Palestine area were commited by Jews. No one blames the Bible for it or Judaism. Christians have commited so much crime in the name of Jesus but noone blames the Bible or Jesus. But when it comes to Islam..well this is the hipocricy. By blaming Islam you, in plural, are blaming all muslims. Everyeach one. It is just a nicer way to say" no not all muslims, but Islam".

Hey, guys. You are read and thrown away like yesterdays paper. Can not fool anyone anymore.

The first terrorist attacks against British targets where indeed commited by Jews, as you say Odas. But that was 60 years ago. When was the LAST time you heard of a Jewish terrorist attack in the UK, or the USA, or France, or Sri Lanka ? 

Many people in history did indeed mis-use the name of Christ to promote various military bondoogles. I think the LAST time this was tried was WW1, over a hundred years ago. Can you give me any RECENT example ? I don't think you can. 

Now, how about the Islamist attacks ? Gosh... hundreds every year, and - I believe - at least one terrorist attack in a western city every year ? All of them with a scream of "Alluah Ahkbar", and other invocations to Allah. 

You state that - in blaming Islam - I am blaming all muslims. Well, that is not true. However, we have to acknowledge that Islam is the largest exponent of terror and murder - by far - off ALL religions currently extant. 

Edited April 29, 2019 by RoofGardener

[Phaeton80]

10 hours ago, RoofGardener said:

Yes, it DOES. 

“Allah has purchased from the believers their lives and their properties; in exchange for that they will have Paradise. They fight in the cause of Allah, so they slay and are slain” (Quran 9:111).

“Truly Allah loves those who fight in His cause in battle array…” (Quran 61:4)

“Kill them [unbelievers] wherever you find them… And fight them until there is no more unbelief and worship is for Allah alone” (Quran 2:191-193).

Oh, and this from Sahih Muslim 1:33

“The Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah” (Sahih Muslim 1:33).

I could go on and on and on, Phaeton80, as you know full well. 

 

Yes, and you think using a ~1300 yrs old holy scripture as an encyclopedia - cherrypicking the usual 'terror verses' with soul intent to confirm your negative disposition - will help you in gaining a real, balanced understaning of what Islam teaches. Let me just burst that bubble for you; it doesnt work that way.

Try again.

[XenoFish]

I will never understand the mentality of religious people. No matter how much I try. I get the whole 'meaning making' part, it's the rest I don't get. 

[Setton]

6 hours ago, RoofGardener said:

Can you give us examples of Muslims worldwide taking action to condemn these attacks ? 

Well here's one to start you off. I'm sure you can find more if you choose to look. 

https://mcb.org.uk/press-releases/easter-sunday-bombings-muslim-council-of-britain-condemns-attacks-in-sri-lanka/