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5 hours ago, and then said:

Can you not see the obverse of your argument?  Seriously.  Iran is the one making the bellicose statements on a regular basis and Iran is the one who is building up a powerful offensive force on Israel's border.  Taken together, what do suppose Israel should take away from that behavior?  You do not think it rational that they'd worry about such rhetoric coinciding with the growth of enemy forces on their border?  You are absolutely correct in your analysis of the relative pool of manpower that each nation could bring to bear.  The ONLY defense Israel would have if Iran launched the war of aggression that they appear to be preparing for would be the threat of a nuclear strike.  Is it your premise that Israel would be at fault for striking against an existential threat?  As to the idea of "safe and sound" Israel has had the bomb for about 50+ years and has overtly threatened exactly NO ONE.  Tell me that you don't think Israel should accept their own annihilation before they'd use nukes.  Just say it.  Israel would be justified in nuking an enemy that attacks them with the intent of annihilating them.  If you can't agree with that premise then I think it's safe to say that you believe they have no right to exist anywhere.

Mate you are so off target its not funny.  You're like a horse wearing blinkers.  You're just incapable of seeing anything else except what you need and want to see.  Israel has made just as many threats towards bombing Tehran and facilities where they're accusing Iran of building nukes.  What if Tehran started to threaten to strike Dimona, how would that sit? You talk about a powerful offensive force on Israel's border!! Who Hezbolah?  :lol:

Going back to the nuclear threats, where is the evidence?  If there was Bibi would be flashing the info around the world on prime time television.  So what, you expect the world to go along with the rhetoric just because he says so?  The guy lies through his teeth and has continuously broken promises with the Palestinians so he can achieve his ultimate Zionist dream of Eretz Israel.  This is the guy you expect the world to believe.  Typical right wing warmonger who seems to have forgotten his own peoples history.

 

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5 hours ago, and then said:

You have zero evidence to back this claim of Israel being the aggressor that would use nukes except in a last ditch effort to save their nation.  They've threatened no one with those bombs and could easily have captured and kept large tracts of surrounding nations if that had been their goal.  You unjustly accuse them of exactly the plans and schemes that their enemies want to perpetrate against them.  As for "not allowing" them to have nukes, that ship sailed about 50 years ago and the world has no say in the matter.  I'll say it again for those who might actually be unbiased about the situation in the M.E. - all Iran has to do to be safe from a nuclear strike by Israel is to refrain from assaulting them.  Why is that so difficult to understand?  Put another way, what damned right does Iran have to threaten Israel with annihilation just for being in the region and being Jews?  This is what you seem to be supporting.  Do you?

Just the bold part shows your ignorance.  Who the f. is Israel, who gives them the right to possess nukes in the first place while other countries are sanctioned for even thinking about them and above all, why are they given this power to determine who to strike willy nilly?  Luckily this is just your silly idea and 'hopefully' the world wouldn't stand by for such carnage to take place but then again, with the likes of Trump and Netanyahu roaming the scenes anything's to be expected.

How about the second part of your post 'all Iran has to do to be safe from a nuclear strike is refrain from assaulting them'   This is a country which has been politically interfered with from the 1950's, has had it's major resource, its oil, undermined for decades, is currently being sanctioned for who knows what reasons and has the same amount of threats thrown at it by Israel as its given back.  Above all, Israel has nukes aimed at it but your claiming they're threatening to annihilate Israel with Hezbolah.  :lol: 

The Govt of Iran is as bad as those fat blobs in charge of Saudi Arabia but I stand by what I said.  If anyone is going to cause massive carnage in the region its Israel.

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So, you aren't willing to simply admit that Israel has a right to exist and in addition, you feel that they should voluntarily allow another nation to destroy them rather than be able to defend themselves.  Thank you for making your hatred of Israel crystal clear.  That says everything that needs to be said about your lack of humanity and any sense of morality.  You asked, "who is Israel?"  They're the nation that people like you will never destroy.  Twist in that hatred, hope it keeps you warm.

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1 hour ago, Black Red Devil said:

the world wouldn't stand by for such carnage to take place

As I said, bucko, the "world" has no choice in the matter and despite the loathsome hatred people like you express, Israel doesn't threaten anyone with them and never would.  It's quite enough so far that those who would annihilate the Jews just for BEING JEWS, dare not lest they have their own asses burned down in the effort.  Choke on it.  

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21 minutes ago, and then said:

So, you aren't willing to simply admit that Israel has a right to exist and in addition, you feel that they should voluntarily allow another nation to destroy them rather than be able to defend themselves.  Thank you for making your hatred of Israel crystal clear.  That says everything that needs to be said about your lack of humanity and any sense of morality.  You asked, "who is Israel?"  They're the nation that people like you will never destroy.  Twist in that hatred, hope it keeps you warm.

 

are the people of israel Gods people?    if so....why do they kill?

when Crimea was annexed.....why was that bad.....yet the Israelis annexation is ignored?    dont you see the bigger picture?

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25 minutes ago, and then said:

So, you aren't willing to simply admit that Israel has a right to exist and in addition, you feel that they should voluntarily allow another nation to destroy them rather than be able to defend themselves.  Thank you for making your hatred of Israel crystal clear.  That says everything that needs to be said about your lack of humanity and any sense of morality.  You asked, "who is Israel?"  They're the nation that people like you will never destroy.  Twist in that hatred, hope it keeps you warm.

Said by the psychopath who has repetitively wished for the mass murder and carnage of innocent civilians just because they're against the right wing murderous policies of your Zionist heroes! Unreal.

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June marked 50 years since Israel’s occupation of the Palestinian Territories and the start of the 11th year of its illegal blockade of the Gaza Strip, subjecting approximately 2 million inhabitants to collective punishment and a growing humanitarian crisis. The Israeli authorities intensified expansion of settlements and related infrastructure across the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and severely restricted the freedom of movement of Palestinians

 

. Israeli forces unlawfully killed Palestinian civilians, including children, and unlawfully detained within Israel thousands of Palestinians from the Occupied Palestinian Territories (OPT), holding hundreds in administrative detention without charge or trial.

Torture and other ill-treatment of detainees, including children, remained pervasive and was committed with impunity. Israel continued to demolish Palestinian homes in the West Bank and in Palestinian villages inside Israel, forcibly evicting residents. Conscientious objectors to military service were imprisoned. Thousands of African asylum-seekers were threatened with deportation.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/middle-east-and-north-africa/israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/report-israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/


 

 

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8 minutes ago, and then said:

As I said, bucko, the "world" has no choice in the matter and despite the loathsome hatred people like you express, Israel doesn't threaten anyone with them and never would.  It's quite enough so far that those who would annihilate the Jews just for BEING JEWS, dare not lest they have their own asses burned down in the effort.  Choke on it.  

:lol:  The mighty Zionists at play.  Now nobody in your mind is even allowed to get them to follow world policies.   They're just going to pi$$ on everybody as far as your concerned and if people don't follow their rules they become Jew haters and antisemites.

Keep on living your dream buddy. I get it, waking up to reality and finding out one day you've been glorifying people that don't give a **** about you can be traumatising.

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28 minutes ago, and then said:

As I said, bucko, the "world" has no choice in the matter and despite the loathsome hatred people like you express, Israel doesn't threaten anyone with them and never would.  It's quite enough so far that those who would annihilate the Jews just for BEING JEWS, dare not lest they have their own asses burned down in the effort.  Choke on it.  

 

lets level the playing field.......are you Jewish?

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18 hours ago, and then said:

So, you aren't willing to simply admit that Israel has a right to exist and in addition, you feel that they should voluntarily allow another nation to destroy them rather than be able to defend themselves.  Thank you for making your hatred of Israel crystal clear.  That says everything that needs to be said about your lack of humanity and any sense of morality.  You asked, "who is Israel?"  They're the nation that people like you will never destroy.  Twist in that hatred, hope it keeps you warm.

The Only Democracy in the Middle East believes that it has the right, nay, that it's essential that it murders children so that they don't grow up Hating Israel and Wanting to destroy the Jews(TM). Is this really very different to the way certain countries in Europe believed that the Jewish people should be treated? Is it really any wonder that the Only Democracy in the Middle East is hated ?

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On 25/04/2019 at 5:34 AM, and then said:

  Iran is the one making the bellicose statements on a regular basis and Iran is the one who is building up a powerful offensive force on Israel's border.

Iran may make bellicose statements; Israel just moves right in and occupies territory, pushes aside and kills if necessary anyone who resists, and bombs government and military targets in other countries (e.g. Syria), despite there being no declaration of aggression between them (and uses civilians as shields so that if the Syrians did shoot at them, they would without a doubt be the ones accused by the International Community of murder). Iran may bluster; Israel goes right ahead and does .  

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On 25/04/2019 at 5:34 AM, and then said:

The ONLY defense Israel would have if Iran launched the war of aggression that they appear to be preparing for would be the threat of a nuclear strike.

You really think the Only Democracy in the Middle East is that militarily inferior to a country that's been under the screws of Big Brother Uncle Sam for nearly 40 years? Iran may on paper have superior manpower, but technologically there's surely no comparison at all. (Even if the Iranians have done wonders keeping  their F-14s operational despite having had no after-sales support whatsoever for 40 years.)

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On 25/04/2019 at 5:34 AM, and then said:

.... You do not think it rational that they'd worry about such rhetoric coinciding with the growth of enemy forces on their border?  You are absolutely correct in your analysis of the relative pool of manpower that each nation could bring to bear.  The ONLY defense Israel would have if Iran launched the war of aggression that they appear to be preparing for would be the threat of a nuclear strike. ....

I think that is a highly pessimistic evaluation, And Then. 

Iran doesn't have the capability to attack Israel, at least not with conventional forces. It has no common borders, and would have to drive its tanks etc all the way through Iraq and Syria (or Turkey and Syria) to get to Israel. Iran's F14's and Mig29's don't have the range to get from Iran to Israel and back, and it only has a relative handful of them. (probably about 50-60, including ageing Phantom F4's). 

The IAF would have a field day in both cases.!

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Why the US and Israel are such close allies

 The US supports Israel in diplomatic and military matters not because of the strength of pro-Israel lobbies like the American Israeli Public Affairs Committee, or out of sympathy stemming from the events of World War II, but for practical reasons.

Michael Koplow, a Middle East analyst at the Israel Policy Forum, told Business Insider that the US's alliance with Israel owes to two key factors — intelligence sharing and ideological unity.

Israel's intelligence and insights into Middle Eastern affairs is "unparalleled" throughout the world and "benefits the US in all sorts of ways."
https://www.businessinsider.com/us-israel-allies-2017-2?r=US&IR=T


 

 

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2 hours ago, Vlad the Mighty said:

Iran may make bellicose statements; Israel just moves right in and occupies territory, pushes aside and kills if necessary anyone who resists, and bombs government and military targets in other countries (e.g. Syria), despite there being no declaration of aggression between them (and uses civilians as shields so that if the Syrians did shoot at them, they would without a doubt be the ones accused by the International Community of murder). Iran may bluster; Israel goes right ahead and does .  

A minor quibble Vlad, but there IS a deceleration of aggression. Syria declared war on Israel in 1948, and has never rescinded that status, despite multiple attempts to persuade it to do so. (including land-for-peace proposals, al la the Egyptian peace deal. ). So far as I can tell, Israel never declared war on Syria, but I might be mistaken about that. 

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