Donald Trump 'set for June state visit to UK'

[Duke Wellington]

2 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

Maybe, however I was informing Rabid Mongoose that the current administration thinks Britain is a parasite.   Saying nice things about us might make it a bit less painful.  We ares longing to get you out of the EU so that we can deal with a desperate,\

needy trading partner and get ourselves a good deal.

Sometimes you just gotta go with the Muse.

Blah, blah, blah

[Tatetopa]

10 hours ago, Dumbledore the Awesome said:

Yes, well done, very clever. 

Not so clever as I originally supposed.  You are too kind.

[Tatetopa]

8 hours ago, RabidMongoose said:

Blah, blah, blah

Ok.  I did try to warn you.  Just make sure you look out for yourself in any future dealings because I guarantee we will.  

[skliss]

On 6/7/2019 at 2:04 PM, Setton said:

Do you mean to tell what the medals are or to find out why they were awarded? 

I know what they are but not what he did

There should be records of both.  My nephew is in the process of getting my Dads records from his time in service during the Korean war. He has to get a copy of my Dads death certificate first. I'm not sure how they do it over there but somewhere is a report connected to those medals.

[skliss]

On 6/7/2019 at 4:12 PM, Tatetopa said:

The US is not a parasite pal.  If anything, it is the other way round.

And you better understand, with America First, we do not care about you or any special relationship.  If we can cut you out of the EU, we can make a great deal with a lonely desperate nation -- a great deal for us.  Business and profit, and America First are our loyalties. Nothing personal, just ego and business. 

What a bunch of passive aggressive crapola....your usual fare...shouldn't expect any better from you

[Tatetopa]

2 hours ago, skliss said:

What a bunch of passive aggressive crapola....your usual fare...shouldn't expect any better from you

 

[Tatetopa]

2 hours ago, skliss said:

What a bunch of passive aggressive crapola....your usual fare...shouldn't expect any better from you

Woops, lost my quote.  Lest you think I was being aggressive to you .  I am not.  What I gave to Rabid is what I think our foreign policy is:  We Intimidate and humiliate  to get what we want.  We don't care about anybody else, it is America first.  That is what I see and hear Skliss.

[Setton]

5 hours ago, skliss said:

There should be records of both.  My nephew is in the process of getting my Dads records from his time in service during the Korean war. He has to get a copy of my Dads death certificate first. I'm not sure how they do it over there but somewhere is a report connected to those medals.

Thanks, I will have to look into it and see if I can find anything. 

[skliss]

5 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

Woops, lost my quote.  Lest you think I was being aggressive to you .  I am not.  What I gave to Rabid is what I think our foreign policy is:  We Intimidate and humiliate  to get what we want.  We don't care about anybody else, it is America first.  That is what I see and hear Skliss.

And of course it's biased nonsense. We can't negotiate for a good deal now? We must always roll over and get the worst every circumstance because we must be punished for being prosperous? Unfortunately that's how prosperity ends..too many bad deals. I'm sick and tired of paying and paying and paying for the rest of the world's bad decisions. At this point they are all so used to taking advantage of us that standing our ground looks like intimidation. And what about our humiliation? The way we get talked about after giving billions to others?  "What a bunch of suckers"....I guess we deserve it.(sarcasm)

Explain whom exactly we've "humiliated" and how what we could have done to spare their "feelings". I'm not sure "feelings" have a place on a business deal in the first place. 

[Tatetopa]

7 hours ago, skliss said:

And of course it's biased nonsense. We can't negotiate for a good deal now? We must always roll over and get the worst every circumstance because we must be punished for being prosperous? Unfortunately that's how prosperity ends..too many bad deals. I'm sick and tired of paying and paying and paying for the rest of the world's bad decisions. At this point they are all so used to taking advantage of us that standing our ground looks like intimidation. And what about our humiliation? The way we get talked about after giving billions to others?  "What a bunch of suckers"....I guess we deserve it.(sarcasm)

Explain whom exactly we've "humiliated" and how what we could have done to spare their "feelings". I'm not sure "feelings" have a place on a business deal in the first place. 

Did I say we can't negotiate for a good deal now?  No I said exactly the opposite.

So now it is America first.  No feelings in business deals, that is exactly what I said.

Intimidation and humiliation is a business negotiation tactic that you can choose from a position of strength.   Tariffs and threats of tariffs are such a tool  We have done it with Mexico and Canada, it will work with Britain too as soon as they leave the EU.  The US encourages that, not out of a principle of freedom, but because a small needy Britain will be a good party to get good deals from in trade negotiation.  It is smart yes?  It is coming out on top yes?  It is our current policy.  We get what we want.

I guess I grew up thinking of America as a great and generous nation, a world leader and worthy of respect.  Was I just a sucker from your viewpoint?   

[Space Commander Travis]

8 hours ago, skliss said:

Explain whom exactly we've "humiliated" and how what we could have done to spare their "feelings".

Every country in the world that doesn't do what Washington tells them to? I mean, threatening to sanction European so-called Allies if they dare to wish to have their own policy regarding trading with, for example Iran, what is that other than bullying? 

[hetrodoxly]

1 hour ago, Tatetopa said:

because a small needy Britain

This is the ramblings of a misguided arrogant Yank, we don't want or expect anything from America you'll do deals with us like you do now because it's good business, don't think you'll be dealing with the lily-livered 'we can't do it on our own' bunch.  

[Unusual Tournament]

44 minutes ago, Dumbledore the Awesome said:

Every country in the world that doesn't do what Washington tells them to? I mean, threatening to sanction European so-called Allies if they dare to wish to have their own policy regarding trading with, for example Iran, what is that other than bullying? 

If and when Iran get weapons of mass destruction it will be those same countries that wish to break ranks with the U.S, on Iran that will be asking for U.S. protection. The proliferation of WMD is serious.

[Unusual Tournament]

33 minutes ago, hetrodoxly said:

This is the ramblings of a misguided arrogant Yank, we don't want or expect anything from America you'll do deals with us like you do now because it's good business, don't think you'll be dealing with the lily-livered 'we can't do it on our own' bunch.  

...well the UK isn’t doing a very good job of asserting its independence so far. 

[hetrodoxly]

20 minutes ago, Captain Risky said:

...well the UK isn’t doing a very good job of asserting its independence so far. 

Explain.

[Tatetopa]

3 hours ago, hetrodoxly said:

This is the ramblings of a misguided arrogant Yank, we don't want or expect anything from America you'll do deals with us like you do now because it's good business, don't think you'll be dealing with the lily-livered 'we can't do it on our own' bunch.  

Well sure that is all it is.  You may have noticed even on this site the large number of posters who feel that America has been ripped off by the rest of the world.  Many American people say they are tired of being taken advantage of and played for suckers.

President Trump has even said Britain is ripping us off along with the rest of Europe.

President Trump loves tariffs and hates trade deficits. 

He has been successful so far at using tariffs as a stick.  He says he just got an excellent deal with Mexico using the threat of that stick to strengthen their border AND buy a lot more agricultural products from American farmers starting immediately..

We trade about 3x the value with Mexico as we do with the UK.  In fact UK comes in 5th or 6th as a US trading partner.   So you might even be easier to squeeze a bit than Mexico.

Fortunately, the US had a $5 billion dollar trade surplus with UK in 2018.  As long as you can keep that up. deals will be made.  Most likely that balance will be a demand in any future negotiations. 

 

[hetrodoxly]

29 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

Well sure that is all it is.  You may have noticed even on this site the large number of posters who feel that America has been ripped off by the rest of the world.  Many American people say they are tired of being taken advantage of and played for suckers.

President Trump has even said Britain is ripping us off along with the rest of Europe.

President Trump loves tariffs and hates trade deficits. 

He has been successful so far at using tariffs as a stick.  He says he just got an excellent deal with Mexico using the threat of that stick to strengthen their border AND buy a lot more agricultural products from American farmers starting immediately..

We trade about 3x the value with Mexico as we do with the UK.  In fact UK comes in 5th or 6th as a US trading partner.   So you might even be easier to squeeze a bit than Mexico.

Fortunately, the US had a $5 billion dollar trade surplus with UK in 2018.  As long as you can keep that up. deals will be made.  Most likely that balance will be a demand in any future negotiations. 

 

Well this is going to come as a bit of a shock then, Donald doesn't trade with us it's American companies, if they can make a profit and us with them they'll trade if they don't make a profit won't, in the end the market always dictates, presidents come and go.

[Tatetopa]

30 minutes ago, hetrodoxly said:

Well this is going to come as a bit of a shock then, Donald doesn't trade with us it's American companies, if they can make a profit and us with them they'll trade if they don't make a profit won't, in the end the market always dictates, presidents come and go.

I hear you.  Up until now, we have been a nation supporting free trade.  This President has shown himself very willing to use tariffs as a tool.  He doesn't seem to be a free trader.  If he takes a mind to do so, that affects the profitability of trades.  

[Unusual Tournament]

7 hours ago, hetrodoxly said:

Explain.

What’s to explain. You can’t organise an orderly exit from the EU. You’re country is gridlocked and politically fickle. 

[Black Red Devil]

8 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

President Trump loves tariffs and hates trade deficits. 
 

True.  This thing about Trump with trade surplus and deficits is quite mind boggling.  Somehow he seems to believe other countries are taking advantage of the US if they have a trade surplus and this is a disadvantage to the US economy.  If US businesses get cheaper electronic items from China as part of a trade deal it's good for the US economy.  It's good for retail and employment and above all, any economic expert will tell you, when consumers spend their penny's it stimulates the economy and gives retailers confidence. 

He's managed to convince China into buying more US products as part of a new trade deal but it's still not enough and keeps pushing for more because he wants to close the surplus and deficit gap between the two countries.  Why would China want to buy more American Cars for example if they can get cheaper ones that sell in China?  If their retailers can't sell them how is this a good business deal for the Chinese Economy?  So he's risking to ruin businesses for thousands of US retailers and consumers if he can't negotiate a deal with China just to balance his trade deficit. Crazy

While a trade surplus looks good on paper it doesn't provide a healthier economy.  Then again, he probably has expert Economists providing him with the best advice so I suppose he knows what he's doing..... I hope.

Edited June 10, 2019 by Black Red Devil

[hetrodoxly]

3 hours ago, Captain Risky said:

What’s to explain. You can’t organise an orderly exit from the EU. You’re country is gridlocked and politically fickle. 

This isn't an answer to what you claimed? but don't bother, i don't know why i did.

[hetrodoxly]

8 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

I hear you.  Up until now, we have been a nation supporting free trade.  This President has shown himself very willing to use tariffs as a tool.  He doesn't seem to be a free trader.  If he takes a mind to do so, that affects the profitability of trades.  

The world turns trade will continue.

[Unusual Tournament]

46 minutes ago, hetrodoxly said:

This isn't an answer to what you claimed? but don't bother, i don't know why i did.

Look you come across as Avery angry dude. Chill.

[skliss]

16 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

Did I say we can't negotiate for a good deal now?  No I said exactly the opposite.

So now it is America first.  No feelings in business deals, that is exactly what I said.

Intimidation and humiliation is a business negotiation tactic that you can choose from a position of strength.   Tariffs and threats of tariffs are such a tool  We have done it with Mexico and Canada, it will work with Britain too as soon as they leave the EU.  The US encourages that, not out of a principle of freedom, but because a small needy Britain will be a good party to get good deals from in trade negotiation.  It is smart yes?  It is coming out on top yes?  It is our current policy.  We get what we want.

I guess I grew up thinking of America as a great and generous nation, a world leader and worthy of respect.  Was I just a sucker from your viewpoint?   

No because we always have been and still are...what I'm sick of is the way WE are talked about and perceived for exactly that. We give billions and even you act as if we are a disgusting horrible country only worthy of being spit on. Thanks for the money suckers, let me kick you in the teeth for good measure. Is it because we don't tow the socialist line? The irony is if we did, we wouldn't have billions to give.

You ignored the question...whom have we "humiliated" and how. Negotiations happen all the time in every deal with every country on earth. Why is it when we ask for what's fair suddenly that's intimidation? 

[skliss]

15 hours ago, Dumbledore the Awesome said:

Every country in the world that doesn't do what Washington tells them to? I mean, threatening to sanction European so-called Allies if they dare to wish to have their own policy regarding trading with, for example Iran, what is that other than bullying? 

Negotiating tactics? Should we accept any and every deal put in front of us, even though we end up bleeding money? Should we okay a deal that threatens our safety so you can make a buck?