Popular Post Carnoferox Posted April 24, 2019 Popular Post #1 Share Posted April 24, 2019 A new paper by Charles Paxton and Darren Naish has found that sea monster sightings have been significantly but gradually influenced by the discovery of marine reptile fossils. https://earthscienceshistory.org/doi/10.17704/1944-6178-38.1.16 https://www.thenational.scot/news/17592582.st-andrews-university-experts-study-solves-a-monster-riddle/ 10 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted April 24, 2019 #2 Share Posted April 24, 2019 I heard Darren Naish interviewed on MonsterTalk. He's interesting. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldrover Posted April 25, 2019 #3 Share Posted April 25, 2019 (edited) 12 hours ago, Carnoferox said: A new paper by Charles Paxton and Darren Naish has found that sea monster sightings have been significantly but gradually influenced by the discovery of marine reptile fossils. https://earthscienceshistory.org/doi/10.17704/1944-6178-38.1.16 https://www.thenational.scot/news/17592582.st-andrews-university-experts-study-solves-a-monster-riddle/ I've heard of that Darren Naish. He's one of those nasty sceptics whose given cryptozoology a fair hearing, multiple times, multiple, multiple tines, taken a critical look at the evidence and formed an opinion based on it. Edited April 25, 2019 by oldrover 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl.Of.Trumps Posted April 25, 2019 #4 Share Posted April 25, 2019 I'm not sure I see the big deal here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnoferox Posted April 25, 2019 Author #5 Share Posted April 25, 2019 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said: I'm not sure I see the big deal here. It's a sign that these sightings are not legitimate, but have been heavily influenced by popular depictions of extinct marine reptiles. Whether the people reporting them were influenced subconsciously and embellished mundane sightings, or entirely fabricated sightings based on these depictions is uncertain. Edited April 25, 2019 by Carnoferox 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl.Of.Trumps Posted April 25, 2019 #6 Share Posted April 25, 2019 Ok Carn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the13bats Posted April 25, 2019 #7 Share Posted April 25, 2019 2 hours ago, Carnoferox said: It's a sign that these sightings are not legitimate, but have been heavily influenced by popular depictions of extinct marine reptiles. Whether the people reporting them were influenced subconsciously and embellished mundane sightings, or entirely fabricated sightings based on these depictions is uncertain. its not really reaching that when people claim to see especially lake monster that the description matches marine reptile fossils its what theyvwant to see, even if the creature still lived it wouldnt be in a lake 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted April 26, 2019 #8 Share Posted April 26, 2019 In the case of the Lake Champlain monster the claim in a circa 1960 article was that Samuel de Champlain saw the monster and described it as serpentine with a head lie a horse. For a decade after that article came out reports were of that nature. Head like a horse was a common report. Here's the problem. Champlain never saw the lake monster. That was made up. How do we know? The original claim said it was in his log book. It exists. It has been checked. This is a recent example of people reporting what they have heard is the sighting even if the report on which they base their sightings is complete fiction. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seti42 Posted April 26, 2019 #9 Share Posted April 26, 2019 (edited) Ummm, Robert E. Howard wrote the Conan stories. At least the originals. I'm not a huge fan, so I don't know about any other author(s) writing in Howard's "Conan Mythos". Also, fossils found by people in earlier eras (with no understanding of how fossilization or geology/paleontology works) has been a viable hypothesis for beliefs in everything from dragons to griffins to sea monsters...So, that's nothing new. Edited April 26, 2019 by Seti42 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted April 26, 2019 #10 Share Posted April 26, 2019 There was a case of castle someplace with a dragon skull at the entrance. That story might be the case of a crocodilian skull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the13bats Posted April 27, 2019 #11 Share Posted April 27, 2019 14 hours ago, stereologist said: There was a case of castle someplace with a dragon skull at the entrance. That story might be the case of a crocodilian skull. i recall a story a croc was brought to some king 100s of years ago but escaped into the town and was called a dragon with no question it wasnt 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldrover Posted April 27, 2019 #12 Share Posted April 27, 2019 On 26/04/2019 at 3:06 PM, stereologist said: There was a case of castle someplace with a dragon skull at the entrance. That story might be the case of a crocodilian skull. That might be based on certain legends connected to Pembroke Castle. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl.Of.Trumps Posted April 27, 2019 #13 Share Posted April 27, 2019 Then there were all those craaaaaaaaaaaaaaaazzzzy stories by sailors about giant squids LOL! And some people *believed* them LOL!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnoferox Posted April 27, 2019 Author #14 Share Posted April 27, 2019 12 minutes ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said: Then there were all those craaaaaaaaaaaaaaaazzzzy stories by sailors about giant squids LOL! And some people *believed* them LOL!!! These stories have been confirmed by multiple physical specimens of giant squids. Can't say the same about sea serpents or lake monsters... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnoferox Posted April 28, 2019 Author #15 Share Posted April 28, 2019 (edited) Naish has now posted a blog about the paper. http://tetzoo.com/blog/2019/4/27/sea-monster-sightings-and-the-plesiosaur-effect He's also made a pdf of the paper available. https://research-repository.st-andrews.ac.uk/bitstream/handle/10023/17586/ESH_38_1_02_Paxton_Naish.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y Edited April 28, 2019 by Carnoferox 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted April 29, 2019 #16 Share Posted April 29, 2019 On 4/27/2019 at 11:52 AM, Earl.Of.Trumps said: Then there were all those craaaaaaaaaaaaaaaazzzzy stories by sailors about giant squids LOL! And some people *believed* them LOL!!! There was good reason for the stories: The contents of whale stomachs The scars on whale skin Recovery of squid bodies on coasts So yes, there was a reason to believe - the physical evidence. How interesting? They actually had verifiable evidence. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Engineer69 Posted April 30, 2019 #17 Share Posted April 30, 2019 Robert E Howard wrote the Conan the barbarian stories. Not L S Decamp . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Engineer69 Posted April 30, 2019 #18 Share Posted April 30, 2019 Robert E Howard wrote the Conan the barbarian stories. Not L S Decamp . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted April 30, 2019 #19 Share Posted April 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Engineer69 said: Robert E Howard wrote the Conan the barbarian stories. Not L S Decamp . He continued it after Howard whacked himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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