The Moon: Relic From Ancient Civilization

[marsman]

3 hours ago, EnergyGem said:

Master Li Hongzhi (the founder of Falun Dafa) had this to say about the Moon in some of his Buddha Law excerpts: 
 

 

lets look at this Master shall we?

 

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The simple truth is, Li is not a well educated, intelligent man. On top of that, he got a blathering mouth that put Donald Trump to shame.

If you look at his early writings, those that were truly written by him, you will gain a better understanding of his true state of mind, which frankly speaking, is a sight to behold. The language he used, the philosophy he employed, the mumbo jumbo he forcefully sewn together from all other major religions, all indicate that he is either an imbecile, or was smoking some top grade weed while dreaming up his religion.  

The inconvenient truth is, his teaching had appeals. Some core principles of the practice, are based on genuine human 'goodness'.

So here we have a problem. On one hand, you have a religious leader that constantly blabbing out non-sense and making a fool out of himself. On the other, you have a core group of practitioners that genuinely want to do some good and promote well-being.

https://www.quora.com/Why-does-Falun-Gong-founder-Li-Hongzhi-say-mixed-blood-people-no-longer-have-their-correspondence-to-the-gods-in-the-heavens

 

 

research is great....aint it?

[EnergyGem]

3 hours ago, EnergyGem said:

Master Li Hongzhi (the founder of Falun Dafa) had this to say about the Moon in some of his Buddha Law excerpts: 

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Apologies, I didn't know about that rule ( I can't seem to be able to edit my initial post so I'll put up two of the excerpts with the external sources here):

Excerpt 1: 

“Nowadays humankind considers itself to be the one and only higher life-form in the entire universe. I can tell you that in reality humankind is the single lowest life-form in the entire universe. There are living beings on every planet (in other dimensions) except the moon. The moon was constructed by a humankind in the past (humankind’s history repeats in cycles). When humankind’s karma becomes too massive, the human race is destroyed. 

Then a new human race again comes into being and evolves. Later, when it becomes bad, it is again destroyed. Since I mentioned the moon, I will tell you that the moon was constructed by a prehistoric humankind in a rather distant age. It wasn’t this large back when it was first constructed, though it was brighter than it is today. Yet that alone would have seemed quite large to humankind today. 

Because it’s hollow, with the passage of time it has gradually become covered with the dust that continually falls from explosions of the universe’s matter. The dust of material that’s generated from the explosions when planets are re-created has continually covered the moon; this has significantly increased the thickness of the moon’s surface. The thickness of its surface has increased to several dozen kilometers; that is the dust on it. If dozens of kilometers were subtracted it would be its original size.” 

Source: http://falundafa.org/eng/eng/lectures/19980530L.html

Excerpt 2: 

“In the past, the situation never resembled that of today’s science. So the mankind’s of different time periods were of course developing in the ways of those times. People at one time recognized the trouble that the dark of night caused people, so they constructed a moon up there to bring light to Earth during the night.” 

Source: http://falundafa.org/eng/eng/lectures/19980904L.html

 

59 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

Bologna!  Titanium is one of the most common elements in earth's crust.  I worked in the titanium casting industry for 30 years.  Titanium oxide is the commonly found ore, black sand, and millions of tons of it(really)  were washed up on Indian beaches  by the tsunami  One way to refine titanium metal from the ore is with chlorine, also a common element, NACl, salt for example.

Around 36 million years ago, an asteroid smashed into what is now the Canadian province of Newfoundland and Labrador. New research suggests that, for a brief time, the temperature at the point of impact exceeded 4,300 degrees F (2,370 C), making it the hottest temperature known to have occurred on Earth.. 

Plenty hot for your purpose.

Are there not prehistoric ~20,000 year old antlers carved with what appear to be time keeping hatches with the moon indicated.

Dr Harold Urey Nobel Prize for Chemistry:
 

"I’m terribly puzzled by the rocks from the Moon and in particular of their titanium content."

 

The reason he stated this is because titanium is not found freely in nature.

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Titanium is the ninth most abundant metal in the Earth's  crust. Titanium is not found freely in nature but is found in minerals such as rutile (titanium oxide), ilmenite (iron titanium oxide) and sphene (titanite or calcium titanium silicate).

Source: https://www.chemicool.com/elements/titanium.html

Edited April 25, 2019 by EnergyGem

[EnergyGem]

8 minutes ago, marsman said:

 

lets look at this Master shall we?

 

 

research is great....aint it?

Here is the wiki of Master Li Hongzhi ( the founder of Falun Dafa):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Hongzhi

"By April 2001, Li Hongzhi had received over 340 awards and proclamations from Australia, Canada, China (before crackdown), Japan, Russia, and the U.S. in recognition of the contributions to people's spiritual and physical health, and to freedom of belief in the world. These include certificates of recognition from several governmental bodies in the United States – including Honorary Citizenship awarded by The State of Georgia and city of Atlanta. On 14 March 2001, The Freedom House bestowed Li Hongzhi and Falun Gong with an International Religious Freedom Award for the advancement of religious and spiritual freedom at a ceremony in the United States Senate. In the same year, Li was ranked the most powerful communicator in Asia by Asiaweek magazine "for his power to inspire, to mobilize people and to spook Beijing".  He was nominated for the 2001 Sakharov Prize by over 25 members of European Parliament, was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize in 2000 and 2001,  and in 2013 was ranked by Foreign Policy Magazine as one of the 500 most powerful people in the world."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Hongzhi#Life_abroad

[marsman]

3 minutes ago, EnergyGem said:

Here is the wiki of Master Li Hongzhi ( the founder of Falun Dafa):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Hongzhi

"By April 2001, Li Hongzhi had received over 340 awards and proclamations from Australia, Canada, China (before crackdown), Japan, Russia, and the U.S. in recognition of the contributions to people's spiritual and physical health, and to freedom of belief in the world. These include certificates of recognition from several governmental bodies in the United States – including Honorary Citizenship awarded by The State of Georgia and city of Atlanta. On 14 March 2001, The Freedom House bestowed Li Hongzhi and Falun Gong with an International Religious Freedom Award for the advancement of religious and spiritual freedom at a ceremony in the United States Senate. In the same year, Li was ranked the most powerful communicator in Asia by Asiaweek magazine "for his power to inspire, to mobilize people and to spook Beijing".  He was nominated for the 2001 Sakharov Prize by over 25 members of European Parliament, was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize in 2000 and 2001,  and in 2013 was ranked by Foreign Policy Magazine as one of the 500 most powerful people in the world."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Hongzhi#Life_abroad

 

wiki can be edited by anyone
 

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:About

 

 

 

[marsman]

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He is anti-gay and teaches that homosexuals will be "eliminated" by "the gods."

He preaches that children from multicultural unions have lost their roots and will never be recognized as a human race.

If you challenge his teachings or question his beliefs you will be repeatedly subjected to personal attacks, threats of litigation and frivolous lawsuits by his followers.

Welcome to the Falun Gong or Falun Dafa, who’s benign and sympathy seeking face as a heavily persecuted meditative practice is actually a façade for the intolerant, homophobic and racist teachings of its leader Li Hongzhi,

http://www.asianpacificpost.com/article/5142-‘canada-will-know-real-falun-gong-when-case-goes-trial.html

 

 

 

 

sounds like a real superstar doesnt he?....not

but above all.....he isnt an astronomer or space expert.....so knows Nothing.....about the Moon

 

 

 

 

Edited April 25, 2019 by marsman

[marsman]

24 minutes ago, EnergyGem said:

, was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize in 2000 and 2001, 

 

anyone.....ANYONE......can be nominated.....my family and friends can nominate Me....

it means nothing.....he never got the prize did he?   thats all you need to know

 

 

 

Edited April 25, 2019 by marsman

[EnergyGem]

12 minutes ago, marsman said:

 

sounds like a real superstar doesnt he?....not

but above all.....he isnt an astronomer or space expert.....so knows Nothing.....about the Moon

It's true, in Falun Dafa they do believe homosexuality to be sinful behaviour. Many upright schools of Cultivation believe this to be so.

To clarify multiracial unions:

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Falun Gong's cosmology includes the belief that different ethnicities each have a correspondence to their own heavens, and that individuals of mixed race lose some aspect of this connection. Nonetheless, Li maintains that being of mixed race does not affect a person's soul, nor hinder their ability to practice cultivation. The practice does not have any formal stance against interracial marriage, and many Falun Gong practitioners have interracial children.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falun_Gong#Social_practices

 

Currently there is a massive propaganda campaign against Falun Dafa from the evil Chinese Communist Party that tries to paint Falun Dafa in a negative light. They also torture Falun Dafa practitioners and perform live organ harvesting on them. Such evil goes beyond what was perpetrated by Hitler:

https://en.minghui.org/cc/9/

https://en.minghui.org/cc/1/

Edited April 25, 2019 by EnergyGem

[toast]

1 hour ago, EnergyGem said:

The only government that calls Falun Dafa a cult is the evil Chinese Communist Party. The rest of the world supports it,

I dont know in which country you live in but in my country, the support or non-support of cults is not relevant to the governmental and/or political body.

Edited April 25, 2019 by toast

[marsman]

1 minute ago, EnergyGem said:

 

Currently there is a massive propaganda campaign against Falun Dafa from the evil Chinese

 

the rest of the world discredits him too.....so along with china.....we are all evil

persecution complex is all......like all criminals....he pleads innocence

[danydandan]

7 minutes ago, EnergyGem said:

It's true, in Falun Dafa they do believe homosexuality to be sinful behaviour. Many upright schools of Cultivation believe this to be so.

To clarify multiracial unions:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falun_Gong#Social_practices

 

Currently there is a massive propaganda campaign against Falun Dafa from the evil Chinese Communist Party that tries to paint Falun Dafa in a negative light. They also torture Falun Dafa practitioners and perform live organ harvesting on them. Such evil goes beyond what was perpetrated by Hitler:

https://en.minghui.org/cc/9/

https://en.minghui.org/cc/1/

So how much money are you getting to peddle this crap? 

[EnergyGem]

7 minutes ago, marsman said:

 

the rest of the world discredits him too.....so along with china.....we are all evil

persecution complex is all......like all criminals....he pleads innocence

Really? Can you show me some sources on other countries discrediting Falun Dafa?

Here is a a list of rewards issued to Master Li Hongzhi from different countries around the world in recognition to the extraordinary contribution to people's mental and physical wellbeing:

http://en.minghui.org/emh/special_column/recognition.html

[danydandan]

1 hour ago, Daughter of the Nine Moons said:

Let's tone down some of snark please.

 

Shifu (simplified Chinese: 师傅 or 师父; traditional Chinese: 師傅 or 師父), or sifu in Cantonese is a title for and role of a skillful person or a master. The character 師/师 means "skilled person" or "teacher", while the meaning of 傅 is "tutor" and the meaning of 父 is "father".

Shifu - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shifu

Has this thread not turned into, or initially set out to be, something to preach some religious beliefs?

It has nothing to do with ancient history, really does it?

Edited April 25, 2019 by danydandan

[EnergyGem]

11 minutes ago, danydandan said:

So how much money are you getting to peddle this crap? 

Falun Dafa is totally free and no money is involved with the practice.

A short excerpt from Zhuan Falun (the core book of Falun Dafa)  talks about this point:

"The first rule is that you must not charge a fee. All that we give you is to save you and prepare you for spiritual practice—not to benefit you in worldly ways. If you charge a fee, my spiritual bodies will recall everything that was given to you, and you will cease to be a practitioner of Falun Dafa. You wouldn’t be teaching people Falun Dafa in that case. You should introduce it to people without any thought of gaining from it personally. It should be a voluntary gesture in the service of others. Our students everywhere have taken this approach, and our volunteers in each locale have set a good example with this. Everyone who is interested is welcome to come and learn the practice, and we will always help them free of charge."

Source: http://en.falundafa.org/eng/zfl_2018_3.html#10

 

 

[danydandan]

9 minutes ago, EnergyGem said:

Falun Dafa is totally free and no money is involved with the practice.

A short excerpt from Zhuan Falun (the core book of Falun Dafa)  talks about this point:

"The first rule is that you must not charge a fee. All that we give you is to save you and prepare you for spiritual practice—not to benefit you in worldly ways. If you charge a fee, my spiritual bodies will recall everything that was given to you, and you will cease to be a practitioner of Falun Dafa. You wouldn’t be teaching people Falun Dafa in that case. You should introduce it to people without any thought of gaining from it personally. It should be a voluntary gesture in the service of others. Our students everywhere have taken this approach, and our volunteers in each locale have set a good example with this. Everyone who is interested is welcome to come and learn the practice, and we will always help them free of charge."

Source: http://en.falundafa.org/eng/zfl_2018_3.html#10

 

 

So you are only interested in preaching your religious beliefs.

[Rlyeh]

1 hour ago, EnergyGem said:

Dr Harold Urey Nobel Prize for Chemistry:

 

"I’m terribly puzzled by the rocks from the Moon and in particular of their titanium content."

 

The reason he stated this is because titanium is not found freely in nature.

Source: https://www.chemicool.com/elements/titanium.html

Where is he saying titanium is found freely on the moon?  "Titanium content" implies the opposite.

Edited April 25, 2019 by Rlyeh

[marsman]

30 minutes ago, EnergyGem said:

Falun Dafa is totally free and no money is involved with the practice.

 

research will do you good

 

 

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Li Hongzhi once said, “I will not accept any material rewards nor money.” “I will not ask for a penny from my followers.” Yet in the book What I know of Li Hongzhi, Jing Zhanyi, once his follower, revealed that he accumulated more than RMB 139 million through unfair means and has become a billionaire. How is Li Hongzhi funded？  

Collecting training fees

Collecting training fees is one of the ways in which Li Hongzhi accumulated wealth. He got his first pot of gold from offering training courses. From May 1992 to the end of 1994, Li launched 56 training courses throughout China and collected total training fees of RMB 3 million. One example is when Li was training his followers in Guanxian County, Shandong Province. He went back on his word of taking 50% of the total income and asked for 70% at the end of the courses. When the training ended, one of his followers said, “Look at the shabby clothes of our master. We should pay him extra for new clothes.” Finally, LI took 70% of the total income and an extra RMB 180 for new clothes. He was so mean, how dare he say that he never collects money or seeks material gains from his followers? This case shows how greedy Li Hongzhi was.  

http://www.facts.org.cn/Recommendations/201703/03/t20170303_4918073.htm

 

 

 

 

Edited April 25, 2019 by marsman

[Imaginarynumber1]

3 hours ago, EnergyGem said:

A few eminent scientists have also stated the moons peculiarities: 
 

1. Farouk El Baz,NASA: 

“If water vapour is coming from the Moon’s interior is this serious. It means that there is a drastic distinction between the different phases of the lunar interior – that the interior is quite different from what we have seen on the surface.” 


2. Dr S Ross Taylor,Geochemist of lunar chemical analysis : 

Said the problem was that maria plains the size of Texas had to be covered with melted rock containing fluid titanium. He said you would not expect titanium ever to be hot enough to do that, even on Earth, and no one has ever suggested that the Moon was hotter than the Earth. 

“What could distribute titanium in this way? Highly advanced technology developed and operated by entities that are immensely more technologically advance than humans.” 


3. Dr. Gordon MacDonald,NASA: 

“it would seem that the Moon is more like a hollow than a homogenous sphere’. He surmised that the data must have been wrong – but it wasn’t.” 


4. University of Arizona Lon Hood: 

“We knew that the Moon’s core was small, but we didn’t know it was this small… This really does add weight to the idea that the Moon’s origin is unique, unlike any other terrestrial body.” 


5. Maurice Ewing, American geophysicist and oceanographer: 

“As for the meaning of it, I’d rather not make an interpretation right now, but it is as though someone had struck a bell, say, in the belfry of the a church a single blow and found that the reverberation from it continued for 30 minutes.” 


6. Ken Johnson, Supervisor of the Data and Photo Control department during the Apollo missions: 

“The Moon not only rang like a bell, but the whole Moon wobbled in such a precise way that it was almost as though it had gigantic hydraulic damper struts inside it.” 


7. Dr. D L Anderson,Professor of geophysics and director of the seismological laboratory,California Institute of Technology: 

“The Moon is made inside out and that its inner and outer compositions should be the other way around.” 

8. Dr. Robin Brett,NASA Scientist: 

“It seems much easier to explain the nonexistence of the moon than its existence.” 

9. Irwin Shapiro, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics: 

“The best possible explanation for the Moon is observational error – the Moon doesn’t exist.’ 

“The Moon is bigger than it should be, apparently older than it should be and much lighter in mass than it should be. It occupies an unlikely orbit and is so extraordinary that all existing explanations for its presence are fraught with difficulties are none of them could be considered remotely watertight.” 

10: Dr Harold Urey,Nobel Prize for Chemistry: 

“I’m terribly puzzled by the rocks from the Moon and in particular of their titanium content.” 

 

11: Christopher Knight and Alan Bulter Book: Who Built the Moon?: 

"The Moon has astonishing synchronicity with the Sun. When the Sun is at its lowest and weakest in mid-winter, the Moon is at its highest and brightest, and the reverse occurs in mid-summer. Both set at the same point on the horizon at the equinoxes and at the opposite point at the solstices. 

What are the chances that the Moon would naturally find an orbit so perfect that it would cover the Sun at an eclipse and appear from Earth to be the same size? What are chances that the alignments would be so perfect at the equinoxes and solstices?" 

It is physically impossible for me to roll my eyes any harder

[freetoroam]

This beggars belief. 

Energem, you should spend some time (lots of it) on the space section here. You may get a response from Waspie, but them again you may not. 

[EnergyGem]

9 minutes ago, marsman said:

 

research will do you good:

Li Hongzhi once said, “I will not accept any material rewards nor money.” “I will not ask for a penny from my followers.” Yet in the book What I know of Li Hongzhi, Jing Zhanyi, once his follower, revealed that he accumulated more than RMB 139 million through unfair means and has become a billionaire. How is Li Hongzhi funded？  

Collecting training fees

Collecting training fees is one of the ways in which Li Hongzhi accumulated wealth. He got his first pot of gold from offering training courses. From May 1992 to the end of 1994, Li launched 56 training courses throughout China and collected total training fees of RMB 3 million. One example is when Li was training his followers in Guanxian County, Shandong Province. He went back on his word of taking 50% of the total income and asked for 70% at the end of the courses. When the training ended, one of his followers said, “Look at the shabby clothes of our master. We should pay him extra for new clothes.” Finally, LI took 70% of the total income and an extra RMB 180 for new clothes. He was so mean, how dare he say that he never collects money or seeks material gains from his followers? This case shows how greedy Li Hongzhi was.  

http://www.facts.org.cn/Recommendations/201703/03/t20170303_4918073.htm

 

That link is from the Communist Chinese Government. As I have stated earlier in the thread, the Chinese Communist Party are currently persecuting, torturing and harvesting organs from Falun Dafa practitioners.

Even the United Nations and the U.S government knows that China is doing these heinous things:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Gong_practitioners_in_China

They also have a full scale propaganda machine designed to undermine and slander Falun Dafa:

https://en.minghui.org/cc/9/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Water_Army

 

 

 

[toast]

Maybe I`ve lost the track, but what exactly is the connection between the Moon, "Master Li Hongzhi", "Falun Dafa", the Aristarchus crater, oppression of homosexuality and Titanium? Why is the Nazi Moon base not mentioned yet? For political reasons? Reichsflugscheibe? No? Hell, I think we are on the trail for something extraordinary new here, the really wild stuff, I tell ya!

[danydandan]

Again this absolutely nothing to do with ancient history or alternative history. The op is using this as a platform to preach. 

[marsman]

9 minutes ago, EnergyGem said:

 

That link is from the Communist Chinese Government. As I have stated earlier in the thread, the Chinese Communist Party are currently persecuting, torturing and harvesting organs from Falun Dafa practitioners.

 

and what has all this got to do with the moon?

[toast]

12 minutes ago, freetoroam said:

.You may get a response from Waspie,

Waspie also has its limits, fortunately.

[EnergyGem]

3 minutes ago, marsman said:

 

and what has all this got to do with the moon?

I was just clarifying some lies and slander about Falun Dafa by the Chinese Communist Party. We can get back on topic by all means. 

[toast]

Just now, EnergyGem said:

We can get back on topic by all means. 

Which one exactly?